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发表于 2008-8-27 16:28:35 |只看该作者 |倒序浏览

问一个关于argue的问题！

开门见山吧，我上新东方GRE的时候，Argue讲到一定要找到三个错误来批，然后就是可以按照文章给的论据的顺序逐个的批，但是后来我上gter和看官方范文后有些感想，觉得不尽然。我觉得应该先把主要的错误挑出来，然后从主要的开始批，而也许这个主要错误的批驳中涉及了两到三个论据，但都是围绕着这个主要错误来批，而不是一个论据成一段那样去批，我觉得这样更好些。举个例子说吧：
Argument 3
The following appeared in a newspaper article about law firms in the city of Megalopolis.
"In Megalopolis, the number of law school graduates who went to work for large, corporate firms declined by 15% over the last three years, whereas an increasing number of graduates took jobs at small, general practice firms. Even though large firms usually offer much higher salaries, law school graduates are choosing to work for the smaller firms most likely because they experience greater job satisfaction at smaller firms. In a survey of first-year students at a leading law school, most agreed with the statement that earning a high salary was less important to them than job satisfaction. This finding suggests that the large, corporate firms of Megalopolis will need to offer graduates more benefits and incentives and reduce the number of hours they must work."

这个题目我觉得按照课上讲的，就可以主要用三段批，一个是15%declined and increasing number in small firms; 一个是high $ in large firm VS satifaction in small firm; 最后一个是那个survey. 然后就批说不应该对大公司做结论中那些改动。

但是后来我又分析这个题目，觉得也可以这么批：
第一，前提是一个assumption---large firm need to change so as to attract more students. 但是论据没有指出large firm need more students, 所以why should large make such changes is not given. 文中给的一个false assumption想让人认为大公司缺人手，或者few students like 大公司，所以大公司要改进来增强吸引力，但是this is not the case.
(1)15% decline in last years也许是因为大公司不缺人，大公司更难进了，大公司数量少了，大公司可以以少的人力达到大的收益了，或者毕业的人少了。Similarly, 小公司人多了也许是因为容易进了，小公司数量多了，需人多了，而不是什么新水等原因或者是比大公司更好了。
(2)high $ in large firm VS satisfaction in small firm这个论据没说一定是更多人就会选择satisfaction而不受$的诱惑，也许只是小公司的人进步去大公司就说大公司不够satisfaction,而其实大公司也庭satifaction的，也许是小公司员工自己的问题，而且既然大公司给更多的$很有可能这就是他的吸引人的地方。
(3)survey,顶尖学校的代表性，大一的代表性，等等，固不能说明satisfaction>$,也就更不能说明大公司没小公司好。
由以上三点，没有说明why should large change.

第二，即使是大公司需要change来吸引学生，也不一定要通过more benefits and incentives and reduce the number of hours they must work来改进。
(1)benefit的问题。既然大公司$多，而又没有说学生不满于$，所以干吗要给更多的benefit?
(2)incentives和satisfaction本身不完全相等。文中第二个论据说小公司更satisfaction的那些人也许就是喜欢小公司的free，竞争小，安逸等等，也许跟不需要什么激励和刺激。而大公司也许本身竞争和更新就很多更快，更有压力感，也许不需要激励了。既然没有很详细的证据说incentive in large firm in needed,这个change也站不住脚。
(3)reduce the number of hours they must work更是无从说起的事情，压根没提到。
所以关于how to change的论述也有问题，即使需要change也要找到正确的症候。

我觉得这样去论述这个argue感觉整体上更好些，层次感也强，但是会出现每段很长，而且只有两个主段的现象，有点冒险，不知道会不会影响分数呢？谈谈你的看法吧，不知道我表达的的清除不清楚。

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发表于 2008-8-28 14:52:58 |只看该作者

这里的帖子静悄悄阿！没人甩呢怎么

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发表于 2008-8-28 16:55:47 |只看该作者

按照ETS的要求来吧～不用太在意XDF～～ :)

有些东西教条了，就变得不好使了～

灵活运用，每个题目都具体分析一下，挺好的。而不是千篇一律的，非要找什么3个错误还按照逻辑错误严重程度分大小……

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发表于 2008-8-29 09:37:04 |只看该作者

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谢谢斑竹回复啦！
我觉得这样写得花如果我驾驭得了还可以，问题是在时间有限的情况下，也许会驾驭得不好，逻辑不清，想我给的这个例子，其实是我分析了很久有啄么怎么写后才敢拿出来的东西。至少这篇是可以这么写的吧！看来还是得多下功夫看了

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发表于 2008-8-29 11:38:44 |只看该作者

所以才说要考前先看题库的～

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发表于 2008-8-29 18:05:52 |只看该作者

不错。
ets的作文指南上说详细说明核心错误(central flaw)也是行的。

Page#17

The Form of Your Response
You are free to organize and develop your critique in any way that you think will effectively communicate
your analysis of the argument. Your response may, but need not, incorporate particular writing strategies
learned in English composition or writing-intensive college courses. GRE readers will not be looking for a
particular developmental strategy or mode of writing. In fact, when faculty are trained to be GRE readers,
they review hundreds of Argument responses that, although highly diverse in content and form, display
similar levels of critical thinking and analytical writing. Readers will see, for example, some essays at the
6 score level that begin by briefly summarizing the argument and then explicitly stating and developing the
main points of the critique. The readers know that a writer can earn a high score by analyzing and
developing several points in a critique or by identifying a central flaw in the argument and developing that
critique extensively. You might want to look at the sample Argument responses, particularly at the 5 and 6
score levels, to see how other writers have successfully developed and organized their critiques.

不过人家又说

Page#16

When you become quicker and more confident, you should practice writing some
Argument responses within the 30-minute time limit so that you will have a good sense of how to pace
yourself in the actual test. For example, you will not want to discuss one point so exhaustively or to
provide so many equivalent examples that you run out of time to make your other main points.

所以呢，要认真斟酌。

以前听说不能够写支持性东西的，范文是这样说的

Page#25

You can also discuss what sort of evidence would strengthen or refute the argument, what changes in the
argument would make it more logically sound, and what additional information might help you better
evaluate its conclusion. Note that you are not being asked to present your views on the subject.

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