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这里的重点不是和你们讨论翟田田博士的对或不对,也不是评判我说的有没有道理,因为本人只是针对正在申请的师弟师妹们,希望信息更对称而已。关键的是希望广大身在美国的留学生同学,能更多的把自己的遭遇写出来,给将要申请出国的师弟师妹们借鉴,当然,黑名单重要,“红名单”更重要,如果大家知道一些对中国人很好的美国学校,也不妨说几句。
大家知道,之所以要去美国留学,很多这里的同学都是国内的精英,之所以要背井离乡那么多年甚至移民入籍,都是为了人生能够更加辉煌。
然而,有一些同学由于文化差异,希望过大等等原因,抑或学校,抑或自身,在美国发生了一些不愉快的,甚至是客死他乡的悲剧,这不是危言耸听,想必大家都知道91年卢刚事件。从我去美国的4年经历里,无论是外在因素,还是自身因素,身边认识的不认识的就有不下5个优秀的留学生客死美国。休斯敦陈植渊同学,哥大的科大少年班长,北卡大的上交女同学,姚宇同学在纽约被奸杀,纽约州立大学数学系助理教授。。。。。。在这里,不得不提到,那样的情况发生在一个精英的身上,想一想国内年迈的父母亲戚,好友发小,是多么的悲伤阿!本可以是在国内更高一层的发展,最后却只带着骨灰回来。。。
所以这里,为了大家更好的未来,诚心得希望在美国的一些同学把自己的经验写下来,以帮助后人。
我们中国人,无论以前怎样,无论外国人怎么评价我们,我们自己人就是要帮助自己人。
翟田田博士的学校,无论如何,没有证据,以言定罪,无理关押翟博士4个多月,首当其冲。

经过一些人的讨论,认为抵制整个学校不是很合理,也不实际,毕竟比较“黑”的一般是个别教授,所以这里我们最好就具体到个人,让那些常年黑中国人,还认为中国人是取之不尽,用之不竭的廉价劳动力的混蛋教授以后再也带不到不愿意受虐的中国人。
黑名单第一个:新泽西斯蒂文斯理工学院(Stevens Institute of Technology  http://www.stevens.edu/sit/
物理系,翟田田的博士导师
最后说一句,本人无意和你讨论美国梦,也无意讨论人生观,有什么样的人生每个人都有不同见解,有的是去了美国认为名牌便宜就什么都无所谓了,有的人就不希望被白人瞧不起,仁者见仁,智者见智吧。

黑名单第二个:明尼苏达大学计算机系 (University of Minnesota  http://www1.umn.edu/twincities/index.php)

黑名单第三个:里海大学经济系 (Lehigh University
http://www.lehigh.edu)

黑名单第四个:伊利诺斯大学芝加哥分校电子工程系 University of Illinois-Chicago,Electrical Engineering

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红名单第一个:伊利诺斯理工学院 (Illinois Insititue of Techonology) 所谓的大众情人学校,嗷嗷的招收中国学生阿。水平高的大牛就别笑话了,不过是一个可以考虑的备选。我认识的一个同学申请了基本所有的商科,都被拒了,最后被这个收了。。。

红名单第二个:纽约大学水牛城分校(SUNY at Buffalo)

红名单第三个:南加州大学(University of Southern California)

待定红名单:
University of Texas Dallas,
Oregon State University,
University of Toledo

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发表于 2010-8-23 12:00:47 |只看该作者
虽然亚裔在北美是弱势,但是还是有点片面,要考虑是不是自身原因,这么武断的看问题,这么多年的学问都白做了

PS 说话这么煽情,中总共的文章看多了吧

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光有结论?这个文章也不是针对你写的

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翟田田个人因素可能更多一点, 他自己都说没交学费,导师要让他退学回国,他不回,就发生争执,然后使用了burn这个词。。。还是人际关系,尤其是和导师的关系没有处理好。

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翟田田个人因素可能更多一点, 他自己都说没交学费,导师要让他退学回国,他不回,就发生争执,然后使用了burn这个词。。。还是人际关系,尤其是和导师的关系没有处理好。
snowleapord 发表于 2010-8-23 12:09


不是没交学费了,是迟交了几天而已。我们学校迟交学费的同学多了,很多都是毕业了再交阿。。。再说了,英语不是第一语言,用错了词语,和老师关系不铁就要和911划等号阿?就要坐牢4个月么?那这样的话,我们中国人也太卑微了,还谈什么融入美国社会?还不如天天实验室当哑巴好了。

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看了一篇翟田田的采访,他说自己对Stevens还是有感情的,学校整体也没怎么坑害他,就是由于不知怎么地得罪了一个助理副校长,那人一个劲地整他。。


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发表于 2010-8-23 12:26:29 |只看该作者
不是没交学费了,是迟交了几天而已。我们学校迟交学费的同学多了,很多都是毕业了再交阿。。。再说了,英语不是第一语言,用错了词语,和老师关系不铁就要和911划等号阿?就要坐牢4个月么?那这样的话,我们 ...
AMERICA 发表于 2010-8-23 12:13


我看到网上采访他说的是“经常拖欠学费”。 况且一年3万的学费(他自己说的),光自己打工是不可能支付的吧,况且学生身份还不能随便打工,除非另有途径他没有说。

好吧,就算这事是美国佬带有偏见,过于敏感了,因这一件事否认一个学校还是不明智的。 况且现在申请者众多,往往几百人竞争10多个名额,能有offer就不错了,很多人还是顾不上这些的。我倒是支持那边的同学进行一些有组织的抗议,如果真有歧视因素存在的话,美国佬也是比较怕这个的。

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你以为抵制一个学校,就可以融入美国社会?
我看楼主是想“改变”美国社会而不是想“融入”吧。
历史上靠“抵制”而成事的,估计不多。
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有意向申请2011Fall经济学的一定要看Q&A

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国内的硕士和博士每年死的也不少

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他自己的确还是很客观的,学校的一个人不好当然不代表学校不好,然后由于一个人不好而学校当局没有阻止,就说明学校还是很黑暗的,因为美国的学校不是一个人说了算的,大的事情比如停学,都是要经过专门几个当权人开会一起决定的,所以说翟并不是只得罪一个人就这么惨,而是其他的相关学校领导并未阻止不公平待遇。

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都说了,问题的关键不是讨论翟的对错,也不是针对你仅有1个offer的情况,我的意见是,如果你有备选,还是尽量避开这种学校,换句话说,如果学校是影响比较大的名牌学校,不过出现这种不明不白的冤案,说别人恐怖组织,是要拿出证据的,现在的情况就是美方并没有证据。
抵制一个学校,当然不能阻止歧视,但是由于集体抵制,却可以让舆论知道,中国人是比较在乎这个的。如果美国媒体知道了,中国学生有这样的联合抵制力量,别的学校就遇到相似的事情就不敢再那么武断,中国留学生的境遇就会更好些,很多事情都是点滴积累的,不要认为别人的事情就和自己一点关系没有,美国的学术圈还是很小的,相信这件事情会有一些震动,起码翟的博导短时间内不会有中国人跟了。。。
不知道你有没有在美国呆过,如果说一个学校对一个国际学生用的是这样的手段,就说明下一个中国人出现类似的事情,还是会用这样的强硬手段的,不会听你的解释的。
那边的同学我认识几个,他们说学生会想到过抗议,但是被学校压下去了,可怜的国外留学生,涉及到自己的饭碗,谁又敢和老板翻脸呢?如果换作我们,也不敢轻举妄动吧!
所以说只有国内的人才会更坚决地做一些事情。
人各有志,有的是去了美国就认为是胜利,那么当然什么学校都行,给钱就上,有的人出去是为了更好的发展,有的人也在乎在国外的生活质量,抵不抵制,大家请量体裁衣吧!我也是说过了,这个文章的目的就是让正在申请的学弟雪妹信息对称,因为中国人有知情权。

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我并不想融入美国社会?美国社会多个鸟?只是想让大家信息对称而已。
没有必要融入,所有人只是想生活更舒服,如果融入让你舒服你就融入,如果活得不爽,就回来贝

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我没说国内的就不死啊,只不过美国也不是天堂罢了

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他自己的确还是很客观的,学校的一个人不好当然不代表学校不好,然后由于一个人不好而学校当局没有阻止,就说明学校还是很黑暗的,因为美国的学校不是一个人说了算的,大的事情比如停学,都是要经 ...
AMERICA 发表于 2010-8-23 14:30


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16 June, 2010 at 10:44 AMReaders,
I would just like to inform you that the media has been highly misinformed about this case. Zhai was a student at my school and was NOT charged with being a terrorist as many Chinese new outlets claim. In fact, he was arrested for making terroristic threats for calling the school and threatening to burn down one of the campus buildings. This was not a perceived threat. The threat was very real and the charges are very serious.
Stevens Institute of Technology (where he went to school) is a highly international community with hundreds of foreign nationals attending. The school is not some police force looking to quell dissenters and anyone who might be against them. Anyone who lives in America knows for a fact that it would be impossible to even try to get an arrest warrant for simply have a verbal disagreement. That’s just not the way things work, especially in an American University where the sharing of ideals is encouraged.
Please read our coverage of the event to more fully understand the nature of the charges. I think you’ll see why this blog post is rather ridiculous:
This story is quite a simple one, yet news sources have blown it up into sounding like America is arresting this poor grad student simply for raising his voice. That is not the case.


Grad student's arrest makes international newsMatt NeuteboomIssue date: 5/28/10 Section: Campus News

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Page 1 of 3 next >Zhai Tiantian, or TJ as he was called by his friends, was a regular graduate student here at Stevens Institute of Technology before he was arrested on charges of making terroristic threats to the school. Now he sits in the Hudson County Correctional Facility, awaiting his trial and possible deportation, and his case has unexpectedly caught the eye of international press outlets, whose coverage, according to Institute officials, has blown the case out of proportion.

On April 15, Zhai called into the Howe Center Desk and made a verbal threat to burn down one of the campus buildings. The dispatcher reported this threat to the police, who found the threat to be credible and arrested Zhai later that day said Michael Schinelli, Assistant Vice President of Graduate Marketing and Communications. Since Zhai is a foreign national, a Chinese citizen, the police also informed the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that they would be making an arrest. The DHS then independently made a decision as to their involvement, and aided campus police with the arrest. There will be a grand jury hearing for Zhai on June 1, when some members of the administration will be testifying. Campus police would not confirm which campus building was threatened in Zhai's call.

Zhai matriculated at Stevens in 2003 and received his Bachelor of Engineering in Civil Engineering and his Master of Engineering in Systems. He was pursuing a Ph.D. in Enterprise Systems at the time of his suspension. Schinelli described Zhai as "well-Americanized and integrated into the Stevens community." The first complaints about Zhai began in February of this year, when members of the Stevens community raised concerns about Zhai's behavior in academics and the workplace. Around early March, Zhai began showing alarming behavior. Stevens officials had an official meeting with Zhai on March 9 to discuss his behavior. An investigation concluded that Zhai's behavior violated the Stevens student code of conduct, though Schinelli could not comment upon the specific infractions because of student privacy laws. Stevens determined that Zhai's behavior was putting other students in jeopardy, and on March 11 he was indefinitely suspended from the school. Zhai appealed the suspension, but the appeal was turned down.

Days earlier on March 5, Zhai was visiting Manhattan to see someone affiliated with NYU. On March 10, he was arrested by the NYPD for aggravated harassment in the second degree connected to events that transpired on March 5. Joseph Stahley, Assistant Vice President of Student Life, clarified that Zhai's suspension was unrelated to this arrest by the NYPD and was a result of a series of events that transpired here on campus alone.

According to media outlets, Zhai denies the charges against him and says he never mentioned destroying campus buildings to anyone. He sees the arrest as an attempt by the Institute to deal with his questioning of the school's authority. Before his suspension, Zhai claims that he had argued with a professor over his academics. In addition, he also previously spoke out against the Institute in a TV interview, threatening to sue the school for discrimination. Hai Ming, Zhai's government-appointed lawyer, said "[t]his is probably the real reason why the school is dealing with him this way."

Zhai's story is notable because it has been taken up by international media who, according to Schinelli, are misreporting the details. China Daily, for example, has reported that Zhai was arrested for charges of terrorism. According to their website, "Zhai has been accused of trying to set fire to a campus building and of making threats to one of his professors with whom he had a disagreement."

However, Schinelli says that these are not the facts of the case. Schinelli said Zhai is charged with making terroristic threats, not with being a terrorist. "Making a terroristic threat is not the same as being accused of being a terrorist. It covers a broad range of offenses and threats…We're not sure what was pushed out there that generated what's probably a hard to believe story in this country. Over [in China], it certainly seems plausible that someone might be thrown in jail because they disagreed with a professor. [It's]...not anything that would happen over here in real life. That's obviously not how things work in an American university."

Schinelli does not know where the source of this misinformation came from but noted that it could either be coming from Zhai himself or China's government-controlled media. Schinelli says it's hard to tell whether the false story was purposefully orchestrated or if the new sources were simply misinformed. Since the story broke, several Chinese press outlets have contacted Schinelli for Stevens' side of the story, and Schinelli has corrected several of their reports. One press outlet thanked him for the corrections and reprinted their story. They even stated that Chinese readers were interested in Stevens side of the story. Other sources such as NJ.com and the Associated Press have contacted Schinelli as well.

Schinelli said that they chose not to publicize the arrest in order to avoid embarrassment for both Zhai and the school. It was not until foreign press became recently involved that the school began receiving phone calls and emails on the matter. Schinelli said, "We do not want have Mr. Zhai vilified by the media nor do we want [Stevens'] reputation to be affected."

Schinelli said, "We have an incredible international student community here that we value tremendously." He added, "Were hoping that Mr. Zhai can obviously be returned to his family, that he can receive any help that he needs, and we wish him well. But we certainly want to dispel the stories that we've seen in the foreign press."

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16 June, 2010 at 10:44 AMReaders,
I would just like to inform you that the media has been highly ...
snowleapord 发表于 2010-8-23 15:25



说了恐怖威胁,人证物证呢?没有证据,我可以说任何人说了要烧学校?
什么狗屁NYPD,美国狗就会这样吓指控,正像他自己说的,两个案子没有关系,那为啥还要在这里摆出来,还不是想证明翟本身就有问题。还有就是,他什么所谓的隐私权,不方便透漏细节,分明就是他没有证据。
这个就是大家不同的人生观了,有的中国人宁愿相信白人的一面之词也不相信自己的同胞,这样的人,本人不加评论。

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