Issue143 艺术家和批评家间的爱恨情仇，期待砖头！

fhxyweiUID：157384

143. "Artists should pay little attention to their critics.* Criticism tends to undermine and constrain the artist's creativity."
. 艺术家不必太在乎他们的批评者。批评总是在破坏和压制艺术家的创造力。

提纲：1，艺术家不能仅仅只迎合少数批评家的口味
         2，大多数批评家本身不懂创作，他们非建设性的意见只会给艺术家的创作添乱。
         3，但是，艺术家应当重视一些客观意见



It is true that criticism will smother artists' creativity if their noses are led thoroughly by those critics. However, I cannot concur with speaker about that view that artists should pay little attention to their critics, for some objective and just criticism can do benefit to their creativity, more important, to our society.

On the one hand, if an artist trusted and followed some critics' ideas too much so that he regards their comments as the standards of his works of art, it would equal to adding a shackle to his infinite creativity. After all, critics cannot represent the masses' senses and tastes, so they are rarely able to establish just and objective standards by which works of art can be judged. Take the Chinese famous novelist JinYong for instance, many critics berate his swordman novels as inferior and vulgar ones which cannot be called as orthodox literature. But the fact is that his novels had won the largest popularity among we Chinese people, compared with any other kind of literature. Had not JinYong stuck to his own writing principle of catering to the majority not to the few critics, we shouldn't have had the opportunity to appreciate those wonderful and exciting novels which are still prevalent nowadays. Anyhow, art doesn't only serve a few elitists such as those critics but also the masses in our society.

Furthermore, most of critics themselves know little about how to create the works of arts, just like that we can eat and taste eggs but can never lay a single one by ourselves, so they seldom give some constructive advices to the artists in their creative activities, which can literally help to improve artists' creativity. As a matter of fact, artists' inspirations spring from their own experiences, intelligence and even some inborn talents rather than others' criticism. Rather, their noisy criticism always
detracts their attention from creating excellent works.

On the other hand, it is necessary for artists to pay some attention to the feedback of objective and beneficial criticism, by which they can know better about the positive and negative influences of his works or art. Those objective feedbacks can help artists to enhance the positive influences of their future works and eliminate the side-effects. Especially for those film producers, critics' ideas may not only help them to identify the value and status of their films but also remind them to eliminate some negative effects such as the propaganda of violence, obscenity and so on. After all, an artist is not an isolated creature who just want to realize his or her creativity without considering others but the one who also should take the social responsibilities.

In conclusion, as an artist, a wise attitude to critics is to call a balance that he should not be controlled by critics' ideas and lose himself while open an eye to the objective and beneficial ones.

[ Last edited by staralways on 2005-6-16 at 00:16 ]

fhxyweiUID：157384

看来51大家都出去玩了，就我在这儿孤独地复习作文，呵呵

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It is true that criticism will smother artists' creativity if their noses are led thoroughly by those critics. However, I cannot concur with speaker about that view that artists should pay little attention to their critics, for some objective and just criticism can do benefit to their creativity, more important, to our society.

搞没有搞错啊，拿范文出来让我改啊!受不了。

On the one hand, if an artist trusted and followed some critics' ideas too much so that he(or her) regards their comments as the standards of his works of art, it would equal to adding a shackle to his infinite creativity. After all, critics (,usually follow their partiality,appetite,这样是否好一点，否则太绝对了一点吧) cannot represent the masses' senses and tastes, so they are rarely able to establish just and objective standards by which works of art can be judged. Take the Chinese famous novelist JinYong for instance, many critics berate his swordman novels as inferior and vulgar ones which cannot be called as orthodox literature. But the fact is that his novels had won the largest popularity among we Chinese people, compared with any other kind of literature. Had not JinYong stuck to his own writing principle of catering to the majority not to the few critics, we shouldn't have had the opportunity to appreciate those wonderful and exciting novels which are still prevalent nowadays. Anyhow, art doesn't only serve a few elitists such as those critics but also the masses in our society.

我起来越相信是范文，受不了。挑点刺吧，用金的例子不是很好，按照西方人的观点，如果大家都喜欢，就可能不太会成为艺术了,那叫大众游行，真正的艺术应该与大众流行分开的。用Picasso 的例子，年轻的时候没有人认为他是艺术家，而是疯子，今天他的作品one of the most valuable works and he also is a genius according to the opinion of critics today.

Furthermore, most of critics themselves know little about how to create the works of arts, just like that we can eat and taste eggs but can never lay a single one by ourselves, so they seldom give some constructive advices to the artists in their creative activities, which can literally help to improve artists' creativity. As a matter of fact, artists' inspirations spring from their own experiences, intelligence and even some inborn talents rather than others' criticism. Rather, their noisy criticism always detracts their attention from creating excellent works.

too extreme, you can not testify that most of critics know little about how to create the works of arts, 不过后面的例子很brand-new.不过我总认为：不能够太绝对啊，只要有一个批评家的批评是不公平的，不客观的，我们就可以disagree with the speaker's assertion。一家之言啊。 some critics would never know where the aspiration of the works come from, what the word represent, who would be the receiver of the works. 特别是一个有政治题材的东西啊，站在某一政治立场上去批评艺术家的作品肯定是不公正的啊。

On the other hand, it is necessary for artists to pay some attention to the feedback of objective and beneficial criticism, by which they can know better about the positive and negative influences of his works or art. Those objective feedbacks can help artists to enhance the positive influences of their future works and eliminate the side-effects. Especially for those film producers, critics' ideas may not only help them to identify the value and status of their films but also remind them to eliminate some negative effects such as the propaganda of violence, obscenity and so on. After all, an artist is not an isolated creature who just want to realize his or her creativity without considering others but the one who also should take the social responsibilities.

it's so abrupt in the beginning of this paragraph to turn down to another adverse opinion, mine is : on the other hand, we should notice some progressive meaning of some critics...其它没有的说了，不过，这个已经非常利害了。

In conclusion, as an artist, a wise attitude to critics is to call a balance that he should not be controlled by critics' ideas and lose himself while open an eye to the objective and beneficial ones.
我认为还是有这样的问题，艺术家如何知道这些建议是objective and benefitical。但实在是没有什么可挑的毛病了。

不好意思啊，有点班门弄匠，改了一篇范文。这应该就是传说中的6分的作文吧。我就是写一年我也写不出这水平啊。惭愧惭愧啊!
楼主还是要把很多的can改成could比较好吧，至少语气上弱一点，但这并不代表你的论据有问题，只是至少让人感觉到还有商量的余地嘛。
用词很棒啊，另外，转承等等方面也非常利害啊，狂到位啊。



提纲：1、艺术是一件非常私人的事情，没有必要去在乎别人的评价，例如电影stanley kubrick's movie 2001: a space odyssey是一部非常棒的电影，但在七十年代，很多人的评价并不好。这里还可以用avant-courier,表示他们在当时是先锋派。Picasso.另：art is come from lives,but beyond the lives. 每个人的生活经历不一样

     2、但是，艺术的目标是为了represent the circumstance and mentality of the people at that time the artist lives. 在这种时候，艺术家反映的主题应该是积极的，否则，需要批评。

     3、对于批评，我们需要客观对待，特别是一些并未成为伟大艺术家的amatuer,在这个过程中需要一定的批评。自己可以编一个身边的例子嘛。

fhxyweiUID：157384

谢谢你的修改，受益匪浅

1,总结一下我的毛病：
有些论断太过绝对，有些时候要用弱判断
After all, critics (,usually follow their partiality,appetite,这样是否好一点，否则太绝对了一点吧) cannot represent the masses' senses and tastes, so they are rarely able to establish just and objective standards by which works of art can be judged.
其实也不排除这种可能性，有些批评家也能代表一部分大众

此外，我的文章还有好多毛病，并非你恭维的什么范文，差之远矣！这些问题包括逻辑论证上和语法上的，我自己很难看不出来，有些你也可能没有发现。

2，有待商榷之处
too extreme, you can not testify that most of critics know little about how to create the works of arts, 不过后面的例子很brand-new.不过我总认为：不能够太绝对啊，只要有一个批评家的批评是不公平的，不客观的，我们就可以disagree with the speaker's assertion。[这里其实我前面用的是most of critics themselves know little about how to create the works of arts,不排除个别批评家同时也是可以创作的艺术家，所以我用的是“most of critics” 而不是“all crtics”]

3，一点感想
其实我们写作文只要自圆其说，虽然有时候明显可以感觉到有些纯属诡辩，但只要诡辩的有道理，相信也达到了ets考察的目的，一样可以拿高分。

还有，有些东西永远都是存在争议的，譬如你说的 [挑点刺吧，用金的例子不是很好，按照西方人的观点，如果大家都喜欢，就可能不太会成为艺术了,那叫大众游行，真正的艺术应该与大众流行分开的]，究竟大家都喜欢的可以成为艺术，还是只有少数人欣赏的才叫做艺术，这是一 transcendental的话题，永远也争论不休，就像“美究竟是客观的还是主观的”，迄今为止没有人能够彻底说清楚。

最后，我们如果gre作文看多了写多了，我们得思维会变得异常的critical，对大多说观点和论证都会提出疑问，别人说的任何观点好像都能挑出刺，总好像还有自己的见解。这都是一个非常正常的现象，通过这种训练，其实我们也学会了西方式critical thinking,这种思维模式其是我们中国学生特别匮乏的。

anyway, thank you a million, let's make progress together

fhxyweiUID：157384

看着这个贴子要沉底了，呵呵

leo_chenUID：206840

我也来干点鸡蛋里挑骨头的爱恨情仇吧,呵呵.

It is true that criticism will smother artists' creativity if their noses are led thoroughly by those critics. However, I cannot concur with speaker about that view that artists should pay little attention to their critics, for some objective and just criticism can do benefit to their creativity, more important, to our society.

On the one hand, if an artist trusted and followed some critics' ideas too much so that he regards their comments as the standards of his works of art, it would equal to adding a shackle to his infinite creativity. After all, critics cannot represent the masses' senses and tastes, so they are rarely able to establish just and objective standards by which works of art can be judged. Take the Chinese famous novelist JinYong for instance, many critics berate his swordman novels as inferior and vulgar ones which cannot be called as orthodox literature. But the fact is that his novels had won the largest popularity among we Chinese people, compared with any other kind of literature. Had not JinYong stuck to his own writing principle of catering to the majority not to the few critics, we shouldn't have had the opportunity to appreciate those wonderful and exciting novels which are still prevalent nowadays. Anyhow, art doesn't only serve a few elitists such as those critics but also the masses in our society.

Furthermore, most of critics themselves know little about how to create the works of arts, just like that we can eat and taste eggs but can never lay a single one by ourselves, so they seldom give some constructive advices to the artists in their creative activities, which can literally help to improve artists' creativity. As a matter of fact, artists' inspirations spring from their own experiences, intelligence and even some inborn talents rather than others' criticism. Rather, their noisy criticism always
这里连续2个rather好像不太好,用Anyway如何?
always改sometimes吧,不然第4段就不好反驳了
detracts their attention from creating excellent works.

On the other hand, it is necessary for artists to pay some attention to the feedback of objective and beneficial criticism, by which they can know better about the
       ~~~~~~stimulating?
positive and negative influences of his works or art. Those objective feedbacks can
                                                                                              ~comments? for the purpose of vocabulary diversity
help artists to enhance the positive influences of their future works and eliminate the side-effects. Especially for those film producers, critics' ideas may not only help them to identify the value and status of their films but also remind them to eliminate some negative effects such as the propaganda of violence, obscenity and so on. After all, an artist is not an isolated creature who just want to realize his or her creativity without considering others but the one who also should take the social responsibilities.

In conclusion, as an artist, a wise attitude to critics is to call a balance that he should not be controlled by critics' ideas and lose himself while open an eye to the objective and beneficial ones.  

Overall impression:
1. The quality of refinement in the last 3 paragraphs is degraded, compared with the first two.
2. I perfer to provide an impressive example rather than the boring reason in Pragraphs 4.

[ Last edited by leo_chen on 2005-5-5 at 22:47 ]

sophywUID：203712

明天仔细看看,今天sleep了

sophywUID：203712

143. "Artists should pay little attention to their critics.* Criticism tends to undermine and constrain the artist's creativity."
. 艺术家不必太在乎他们的批评者。批评总是在破坏和压制艺术家的创造力。

提纲：1，艺术家不能仅仅只迎合少数批评家的口味
         2，大多数批评家本身不懂创作，他们非建设性的意见只会给艺术家的创作添乱。
         3，但是，艺术家应当重视一些客观意见



It is true that criticism will smother artists' creativity if their noses are led thoroughly by those critics. However, I cannot concur with speaker about (觉得有点别扭) that view that artists should pay little attention to their critics, for some objective and just criticism can do benefit to their creativity, more important, to our society.

On the one hand, if an artist trusted and followed some critics' ideas too much so that (so much that) he regards their comments as the standards of his works of art, it would equal to adding a shackle to his infinite creativity. After all, critics cannot represent the masses' senses and tastes, so they are rarely able to establish just and objective standards by which works of art can be judged. (by 通过这个方式) Take the Chinese famous novelist JinYong for instance, many critics berate his swordman novels as inferior and vulgar ones which cannot be called as orthodox literature. But the fact is that his novels had won the largest popularity among we Chinese people, compared with any other kind of literature. Had not JinYong stuck to his own writing principle of catering to the majority not to the few critics, we shouldn't have had the opportunity to appreciate those wonderful and exciting novels which are still prevalent nowadays. Anyhow, art doesn't only serve a few elitists such as those critics but also the masses in our society.

Furthermore, most of critics themselves know little about how to create the works of arts, just like that we can eat and taste eggs but can never lay a single one by ourselves(这个比喻,呵呵:L), so they seldom give some constructive advices to the artists in their creative activities, which can literally help to improve artists' creativity. As a matter of fact, artists' inspirations spring from their own experiences, intelligence and even some inborn talents rather than others' criticism. Rather, their (指待谁??)noisy criticism always detracts their attention from creating excellent works.

On the other hand, it is necessary for artists to pay some attention to the feedback of objective and beneficial criticism, by which they can know better about the positive and negative influences of his works or art. Those objective feedbacks can help artists to enhance the positive influences of their future works and eliminate the side-effects. Especially for those film producers, critics' ideas may not only help them to identify the value and status of their films but also remind them to eliminate some negative effects such as the propaganda of violence, obscenity and so on. After all, an artist is not an isolated creature who just want to realize his or her creativity without considering others but the one who also should take the social responsibilities.

In conclusion, as an artist, a wise attitude to critics is to call (for) a balance that he should not be controlled by critics' ideas and lose himself while open an eye to the objective and beneficial ones.

立论方面:
第一个论点,艺术加不仅要迎合批评家的口味,还要迎合大多数人的口味,和题目"艺术家不必太在乎他们的批评者。批评总是在破坏和压制艺术家的创造力。",好像缺少必然联系,因为题目是因为"批评总是在破坏和压制艺术家的创造力",而非象作者所说

所以个人觉得第一个论点是否可以就"批评家看问题的角度和艺术家不同,不同的角度产生不同的见解,所以不必太在意他们的意见,这样对自己的创造力有压制"或者"不同的批评家的意见也会不同,那么艺术家究竟应该听谁的,造成迷茫,影响自己的创作"

第二个论点论证的还可以,呵呵

语言方面:
没有一些语法错误,我觉得这个可以给文章增色不少,呵呵

感觉还是有很多中国式的语言表达,这可能是我们的通病,呵呵 :)
我自己写的时候不觉得,但是看别人得思路时才感觉这个问题挺严重的,不过可能咱们是不可能突破咱们的思维限制的 :)