[推荐] TorlinBible-----VISA签证篇

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发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible-----VISA签证篇开天辟地 [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 15:30:08 2003), 转信
  
  
长话短说，省去一些对于别人没有意义而对于自己却是意义非凡的最后一关，许多个不眠
夜在这里凝聚，该是认真思考未来的时候了，自己的路该怎么走，未来怎么样，于是饺子
写下了自己的签名档：
  
看世间风起云涌，谁主沉浮?
很多人都想知道自己的选择是否是正确的，也许这次的一个决定决定了自己的一生。既然
是选择，他就是有代价的，在获得的同时携带的是失去。自己的将来谁又能说的清楚呢，
在冷静与果断的思维中肯定你的现在，激发你的未来，创造你日记本中的平凡而又精彩的
一页一页!
  
也许你也在犹豫这个问题，那么很好，这也是你必须在与VO见面之前必须面对的问题，不
仅是对你自己，也是对你的父母，对关心你的人，爱你的人的一种责任，不是吗？
  
注明：本TorlinBible系列由torlin本人完成，吸取了几位好友的经验，并且使用了水母
清华BBS飞跃重洋AdvancedEdu，复旦大学日月光华BBS出国专题(bbs.fudan.edu.cn)一些同
学的签证实战经历用于案例分析，在此对他们表示深深的敬意！
如果转载请标明来源，这是对我，也是对他们的尊重，不用于商业领域，因为我坚信用于

商业利益的机构，会让很多人失去公平竞争的机会，同时也是对大家的劳动智慧的一种践
踏。
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....


发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible-----VISA签证篇签证小论(1) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 15:31:06 2003), 转信
  
　　学生签证只能在开学报到前90天之内提出申请，
领事馆不能在开学90天之前签发学生签证。
通常每年6-9月份都是领事馆签证业务及学生签证申请件的高峰期，
若是赴美留学，申请人要尽早办理申请。
  
　　H、L、K、O、P、Q、R类签证申请者必须具备
美国移民局I-797批准通知书，
领事馆才能受理其签证申请，
该类签证某些地区领事馆要求申请者预先预约。
除以上签证类之外的签证，
申请人可直接向领事馆办理申请手续。
  
　　在每逢放长假后的第一天，
领馆签证处可能面临比较大的工作量，
通常不是申请签证的最佳时机，
最好能提早或推迟。在美国人的大假节前后，
例如圣诞节，因为领事馆部分工作人员要提前放假回国，
在馆的工作人员会减少、工作量相对增加，
领事官会面对更多的申请人，
处理签证的工作速度必须加快，
根本没有更多时间听申请人的解释，对申请人十分不利。
是否美国的签证官在签证的时候总是会故意刁难我们，或者是不给予我们签证确实是
因为我们有很严重的移名倾向呢？ 回答是"No"。 因为VO也是人，他们也是有感情的
，他们的职责就是需要在面试的时候能够说服自己能够让站在他对面的这个人通过，
设身置地得想一下，如果你是签证官，你会想都不想就把对面的这个人拒绝掉吗？要
知道那会是多么的残忍，而签证官和我们一样，也是很普普通通的人，唯一区别的就
是她们试面试官，而我们是被面试的人。所以对于美国领事馆明确的刁难学生的看法
是站不住脚的，饺子认为那是非常正常的一种行为，因为你得帮助签证官说服她自己
，你是优秀的，而事实上你确实是当代中国同龄人中最优秀的精英！下面引用美国签
证官自己的叙述：
        第一种误解：获得美国学生签证十分的困难甚至是不可能，几乎所有的申请者都遭
到了拒签。至少从我的观点来看，这是种错误的看法。目前至少有5万4千名中国学生
在美国的学院和大学中读书。设想若是每个人都遭到拒签，怎么会有5万余的中国人
在美国留学呢。事实上在美留学的中国人比任何一个其它国家的在美留学生都多。中
国留学生的数目要超过日本人、印度人、英国人或德国人等等。事实上，去年，美国
驻华使馆的五个办事处共签发了24，000份赴美的学生签证或交流学者签证．我们所
批准的签证的数目要远远超过拒签的数目，所以请打消这种误解--获得美国学生签证
难于上青天。你只需要遵循我们的办事程序、需要是一个合格的申请者。
请注意最后的一个形容词，合格的，用英语来描述应该是: qualified! 大家应该多
认识这个词，因为等待我们的将会是下一年度的qualification J

  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....
  
  
发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible-----VISA签证篇签证小论(1) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 15:36:33 2003), 转信
  
目前出现的108问，个人觉得实在是没有一点点的必要去看，那样反而使你失去准备
的中心所在-要知道，美国等待的是优秀的留学人员，只要你能够证明你是优秀的，
那么你就是能够通过签证官考核的。
准备签证的时候始终要牢记一点："那就是你是优秀的，你去美国学习的目的是明确
的，而你有足够的证据证明你所学的是对社会的发展，对你的发展是有用的。"请注
意发展这个词，不是指谋生或者维持生计，是指一种高层次的追求。所以你在回答问
题的时候不许记住始终以你为中心，以你所学的东西位中心，举个例子，VO问你要学
的是什么专业：很明显，他这个问题需要考察你两个内容，其一，你所学的是否是社
会需要的，第二，你是否对自己学习的目的非常的明确，因此此问题后很容易立刻派
生出其衍生问题，那就是，你能不能告诉我一些关于你专业的东西，或者你有没有一
些相关的论文，这些问题的解答都是能够充分（至少在一瞬间）是可以证明你的动机
是明确的，你知道自己要学什么。这些具体的将在后面的实战中进行详细的阐述。
下面，请牢记饺子前面给你的忠告，在看每一个问题的时候，想想这些问题是否是围
绕着那些中心来的。
  
(1) What will you study in the United States? What do you want tostudy in
USA?
I will study for my Ph.D. degree in Public Policy and Management at the Hein
z School at Carnegie Mellon University.
(2) Why do you go to Carnegie Mellon University? Why do you choose this Universi
? Why do you go to this University?
Carnegie Mellon University is one of the best universities in the United
States. The Heinz school ranks first in the area of Public Policy and Management
I'll study for my P.h.D degree there.
(3) What is your purpose to USA? What will you do in USA? What are you going
to do in the United States? Are you going to study in USA?
Yes…. I will study for my Ph.D. degree at the Heinz School of Public Policy
and Management at Carnegie Mellon University.
(4) What is your major?
I'll study in the area of Public Policy and Management at Carnegie Mellon
University.
　
(5) In what aspect of your major will you study?
Supply Chains Management.
　
(6) Can you say something about it? What is it? What is it for?
Supply-chain management is a generic term that encompasses the coordination
of order generation, taking, and fulfillment and distribution of products
, services, or information. It is critical, not only to the success, but
also to the survival of any firm. As a discipline, supply chains management
draws on the fields of management science, statistics, operations research
and economics.
　
(7) When and where did you get your Bachelor and Master degree?
　　I got my Bachelor degree at Peking University in 1998. And I just got
my master degree at Tsinghua University.
　
(8) What are you studying now? Where are you studying now? What are you doing
now?
I was studying at Tsinghua University. My major is Management Science and
Engineering. I did some research in Supply Chains Management.I've just got
my master degree.
　
(9) What did you do with your Master work?
I took fifteen courses, did some research on Supply Chains Management. I
jus t finished my master thesis. And I have several academic publications
.
　
(10) How long will you study in USA?
The Doctoral Program is designed to be completed in six years. I hope I could
get my PHD in five years. **Why it needs six years? As you may know, Carnegie
Mellon University is one of the best in the United States. The Heinz School
ranks first in the area of Public Policy and Management. It has strict requirem
to us students. I think that's why this doctoral program needs six years
.
　
(11) Have you got any scholarship?
Yes. I've been honored a full tuition scholarship and a stipend. If I remain
in good academic standing, the Heinz school will renew my award of full
financil support.
　
(12) What if you do not have financial award for the sixth year?
The department told me, if I remain in good academic standing, the Heinz
School will renew my award of full financial support. I am a good student
, and I don't think I'll encounter any problem in receiving such financial
support. And even if I haven't financial aid in the six th year of my study
, my person al saving at that time will be enough to cover all of my expense
.
　
(13) What will you do with your work for this Ph.D.?
　　I'll take courses for the first two years, and then conduct disser
tation research in the area of Supply Chains Management for the follow
ing years.
　
(14) What is your purpose for the visa?
I need F-one visa in order to study for my Ph.D. degree at Carnegie Mellon
University.
　
(15) What is your academic background?
　　I got my Bachelor degree at Peking University in 1998. I just got my
Master degree at Tsinghua University. ***(看情况，如果他希望听你多说几句，
就继续)My earlier work was in Economics and my current work is in Management
Science and Engineering. My future research at Carnegie Mellon University
will still be interdisciplinary.
　
(16) How do you know this University?
　　I got to know it from US NEWS. Carneige Mellon University has good reputatio
. The Heinz School ranks first in the area of Public Policy and Management
.
　
(17) What is your plan? What will you do after graduation?
　　What do you plan to do when you go back? I will come back and seek a
teaching and research position in a leading busi ness school in China.
　
(18) Give me three reasons that you will come back to China?
　　The first reason is I'll take care of my parents. * They will one day
become old. I can not leave them alone. The second reason is, I think it
is much easier to find an academic position in China than in the States.
* I believe I will have a bright future in China. The third reason is I
would like to contribute what I have learned to my country.
　
(19) If you can not find such a position, what will you do?
　　If so, I will turn to my second choice. I would like to find a research
position in our government. You know, there are some research centers in
our government.
　
(20) What will your salary be then?
About 10 thousand RMB yuan per month.
　
(21) How much can a professor earn?
As far as I know, many professors in Tsinghua University earn 10 thousand
RM B per month. You know, the salary of professors is rising now.
　
(22) Why won't you stay in the States?
It's not my country.
　
(23) Can you explain why 90% Chinese students didn't come back?
Really? If really so, I think everyone has its own reasons. But as far as
I know, these years, more and more students have chosen to come back after
graduation. As to me, I'll definitely come back. I'll take care of my parents
, and I think it's much easier to find an academic position in China than
in the States .
　
(24) Can you promise that you will not be attracted?
Yes, and that's sure. China is my motherland.
　
(25) Why do you like your major?
I love problem driven research. I like to spend a considerable amount of
time working on problems in Supply Chains Management.
　
(26) Why do you choose US but not Canada or Germany?
Because the United States has the most advanced technology and science in
the world. I would like to persue a PhD degree in the United States but
not in any other country.
　
(27) Why do you want to pursue a doctor's degree in the USA?
A Ph.D. degree will help me to achieve my career goal. **(如有必要)I would
like to become a professor in a leading business school in China, and I
am sure that a Ph.D. degree in the USA will help me to achieve my career
goal.
　
(28) Why not a Ph.D. degree in China?
I've got my Bachelor degree at Peking University and Master degree at Tsinghua
University. So, it's quite reasonable for me to peruse my Ph.D. degree in
the United States. You know, the United States has the most advanced techno
logy and science in the world.
　
(29) Why do you receive financial aid from this University? Why can you get
scholarship? Why this university gave you the aid(funding)?
I am a good student. As you may see from my documents, I have a Bachelor
degree in Economics and Master degree in Management Science. Ithink such
academic background should match the program very well.
　
(30) What's the difference between your current major and the major in USA
?
Now I major in Management Science and Engineering at Tsinghua University,
an d I'll continue to study in this area at Carnegie Mellon University.
I don't think there are too much differences between the two majors.
　
(31) When and where did you take the GRE test? When did you take the TOEFL
test? How much is your TOEFL score?
　I took my GMAT test on **. The score is **. I took my TOEFL test o
n ***. And the score is ***.
(34) How many universities have you applied? Which?
I have applied for 5 universities. They are Carnegie Mellon University, Harvard
　University, Stanford University, Duke University and UCLA.
　
(35) Any other school admits you? So how many universities accept you?
Among the five universities I have applied for, three gave me offers. They
are Carnegie Mellon University, Duke University and UCLA. But I chose Carnegie
Mellon University in the end.
　
(36) What kind of good things do you know about America?
America has the most advanced technology and science in the world.
  
(41) Can you talk something about the course XX?
Would you please see my transcripts and some information on graduate program
bulletin?
  
(43) What is the thing you like best in America?
The United States has the most advanced technology and science in the world
.
　
(44) What is the thing you like best in China?
Chinese Culture.
　
(45) What is the thing you don't like most in China?
Environment Pollution. Each nation has its best and worst. I love my country
.
　
(46) Who do you know there? Have you ever been in America before?
Have you ever been to other countries? Have you ever gone abroad?
　　NO.
　
(47) When are you going to enter US?
In the middle of August.
　
(48) Any relative in the US?
My **** is studying for his phD degree in the United States.
  
(49) Did you applied for the ** University?(你丈夫或妻子的大学)
No, I havn't. *** University is not so good as Carnegie Mellon University
in the area of Public Policy and Management.
　
(50) Have you applied for the F-two visa? Why didn't you apply for the F-
two visa last year?

No, I havn't. I did want to see my dear *** , but I wanted to finish my Master
's program first, which I promised and I enjoyed.
　
(51) Will your husband(wife )change to Carnegie Mellon University?
No. I understand him/her. We do want to live together, but he/she will finish
hi s/her doctoral program first, which he/she has promised and loves very
much.
第四章
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....


发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇面试进攻篇理论(3) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 20:07:57 2003), 转信
  
签证虽然是你被面试，但是很显然，如果我们能够将这种面试转换为一种朋友之间的
交流，或者转化为以你为中心的谈话，那么很明显，你想不要签证都不行。试想想看
我们生活中遇到的一些场景，比如找工作面是的时候，面试官也经常会抓住一个我们
弱点而拼命的往那个地方砖下去，这你不要怪别人，因为这样的交流中你已经处于劣
势，处于被动，因为你对你的回答没有底，确切的说就是这样，所以饺子强调一点"
签证一开始就应该将主动权握在手中，而不要被牵着走，这很被动，你的机会就要小
很多。"
  
那么你肯定会问，我该怎么样去主导这个面试呢？其中一个很首要的原则就是你必须
对你所将要做出的回答具有一定的防御能力。很简单，举个例子，
Visa Officer会问你: which university will you go ?
多么简单的一个问题，你难道真的以为VO不识字吗？你的I20上清晰的写这你要去的
学校，你要读的专业，你要读的年限，他会浪费他的时间在上面吗？显然不是，这是
为了开始他的谈话，缓和以下你的紧张情绪，是他们nice的地方。OK,说到这里，你
应该意识到饺子要说什么了吧？是的，这是他们给你的机会，既然有了机会，你就应
该立刻利用其这样的机会将话题引入到你主导的谈话当中去， 这就是饺子提倡的"陷
阱"理论。何谓陷阱？莫急，让我们看看你可以做些什么事情还有你都有些什么机会
使用陷阱理论吧。
签证的开始，很简单，你得走上前去，这个时候你是第一次和VO 亲密接触，你的第
一次机会来了，说个"hello"的同时，你可以做很多事情，可以主动提问，主动聊天
等，如我同学一上来就很好的把自己的additional materials先递过去，避免被动。
  
接下来开始的就是你们的对话了，通常情况下VO 会保持沉默十秒中写一些你的资料
，进行纪录，这是你的第二次机会的开始，你可以主动的进行提问。如果你没有遇到
这样的机会，或者你放弃了这样的机会，也没有关系，后面机会还多着呢，别担心。
你总要回答问题的吧呵呵，好的每一个提问都会成为你的机会。Try your best to
make it, you will and you can!
  
你接着在每个问题你都有机会设置你自己的陷阱，把话题引过来
经典问题之我见:
1 so you would go to ****** university?
Yeah, i would go there because AAAAAA
如果不出意外VO会问你的because AAAAAA的，此为陷阱1,为什么他会问你AAA,这个问
题不要问饺子，因为这是个人的兴趣爱好问题，人总是有一种本能想去探究未知的问
题，尤其是那些他们尚且不明白的问题。
2 why you choose 888888 univ?
888888又是你发挥了，其实还是陷阱1。
3 what will you do after you get ph.d ?
加入你自己的想法，如
m1: I'll come back to China and find a position in CCCCC（one of the
   best universities in China. ）
m2:Oh, I will go on to pursue a Ph.D. degree. And after that, I will come
back to (Sichuan Province, my hometown.)
v: to do what?
s: I will go to Sichuan University, and be a professor at the International
Center of Teaching Chinese as a foreign language there.
M3: me: though I get the firm basic knowledge in my undergraduate study(他
不提，没敢说自己是fudan的，回想起来真是委琐)， I want to get more advanced
and specialized techonology in the field of ..to (fulfil my professional
dream )
大家注意看上面一套经典对话组体，打括号的地方都是你可以设置陷阱的地方。以上
打括号的都为成功设置的圈套，这些都是你可以事先准备好的，一些VO不熟悉的短语
。比如interpersonal communication , developing management,developing economic
  
花花一堆，反正他也不懂，哈哈。正是因为他不懂，而你懂，所以你就可以主导这样
的谈话，要么他不问题，一旦问你，Visa Officer就玩完。但是千万记住，不是什么
名词都可以随意去唬VO的，首先，你得了解这些知识，其次这些知识不要涉及最高的
科技尖端国防领域。比如毒药，化学战剂，航天飞机，遥感卫星，激光器，克隆人等
，切记！
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....

  
  
发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇面试进攻篇战例(4) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 20:10:50 2003), 转信
  
接下来我们欣赏一下陷阱理论的经典战例，此战例由光华元老Tangdynasty策划，由
Tangdynasty一人主演完成，堪称经典！
  
  
本人情况：
Fudan B. S.
Fudan M. S.
Fudan Faculty
to University of California, San Diego
VO: JF mm
时间：10：30
地点：五号窗口
本人当初预约故意约6。18日，讨个吉利。
进入美国总领事馆，交了材料，领到号码108，心中窃喜，数字也很吉利。
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Me: Good Morning Madam.
VO: Nice to meet you
VO: Are you studying at Fudan?
Me: Definitely not
VO惊奇的抬头看我
Me: I am a faculty member in Physics Department at Fudan, and I instruct
"General Physics" for non-physics major undergraduate.
VO //smile
VO: what kind of faculty? lecturer, assistant professor, or professor.
Me: Lecturer. When I graduated as a master student last July, I became
a lecturer.
VO: ok, why do you want to study for a Ph. D.?
Me: To understand the mechanism and phyisical character of complex fluid
further. I have done experiments in this specialty for over a year, and
I found that a solid theoretical academic background is essential for
researchers.
VO: would you like to explain what is complex fluid?
Me: complex fluid is a kind of condensed matter, include liquid crystal,
rheological matter, biological fluid etc.
VO: how can these fluid be used?
Me: shock absorber, vacuum valve
VO: give me one more example.
Me: force transmit devices.
VO: oh, good. What do you plan to do after you obtain you Ph.D?
Me: I have two kinds of plan, one is traditional, one is modern.
VO: oh?
Me: Yes, the first one, I plan to find a position in a research institution
  
or an OUTSTANDING CHINESE university.
VO: for example?
Me: Chinese Academy of Science, or Famous University, which has a strong
liquid research group, such as Fudan, Jiaotong or Tsinghua.
VO: how about the modern one?
Me: With a good understanding of liquid physics, I can play a role as
Technology Consultant, or further more, Chief Technology Officer.//打断
VO: Why must you come back to China?
Me: I go to USA to study theoretical condensed matter physics. Complex
Fluid Group in UCSD is quite outstanding. Nowadays, the achievement in
physics is made from the colaboration between experimental and theoretical
  
physists. There are quite good experiement condition in China, such as
CAS and Fudan, but you hardly find some theoretist who lies his interests
  
in complex fluid....//打断
VO: Why did you go to Korea?
Me: Pardon?
VO:        t to Korea?

Me: Tourism
VO: OK , go to Window C
  
大家好好的感悟一下吧！: ) 仍然清晰的记得老唐走出签证处的时候，用力握紧的拳
头在空中屹立着。
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....
  

发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇面试防守篇理论(5) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 20:25:32 2003), 转信
  
说到防守，那很明显，就是在遇到了你没有能够事先准备好的问题，同时也没有能够
采取积极有效的进攻策略的时候所采取的有效的防御的方法。
这里必须提到几点：
1.      你的心理素质应该是稳定的。
2.      你得听力是过关的，因为VO说的英语应该很标准，不过没有听懂不要紧，Pardon
一下，千万不要硬着头皮乱回答。
3.      遇到自己事前想过，但是始终是拿不定主意的回答，比如说退学签证一事是否该
诚实等问题，可以自己采取多种策略，事前估计采取任何一种策略所面凌的机会与风
险，然后将收益与风险相比，得到的就是股票里面的投资收益比了，呵呵，这里饺子
给大家提到这点是因为饺子最近突然喜欢上研究这个东西了，如果你有兴趣可以和饺
子探讨哦：）闲话少说，继续回来。
4.      有时候，坦诚可以赢取别人的理解，有时候whitelie能够让别人不那么的产生抵
触情绪，所以在回答的时候应该灵活的把握分寸，不仅仅是对签证，对待生活中遇到
的问题也应该如此。
  
后面我将分别提供完整的签证案例进行防守实战分析。
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....
  
  
发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇面试防守篇实战1(6) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 20:37:25 2003), 转信
  
防守篇实战1------坦诚的说出自己选择学校的原因，
to be honest,to be the the person who can win respect from others!
注意加亮的地方。
  
m：nice to see u
v: nice to see u too.
   u will go to study envir. s?
m: yes. You know, this is a promising career.
v: what aspect ******?
m: #$&#*(%&*&^))#($*@)*#%)(*#)@.
v: how many univ. did u *********?
m: nine.(我本来计划说8个美国的，一个加拿大的， 但是当时心一虚，没有敢说，
  
         而且因为以前有人这么说过，怕弄巧成拙)
v: how many give you scholar ship?
m: only OSU， but I got 5 admissions.（脸红，谁叫我不是大牛呢）
v: how do u know OSU?
m: in fact, i did not know this 破学校， 不过我知道我将来的导师非常牛
   我跟她联系，她鼓励我申请，还说让我在申请中注明她愿意要我。(我觉得这句
   话非常重要，建立了vo认为我比较诚实的印象，也是放我的原因，因为OSU虽然
   不是非常烂，但是绝对不是什么牛校，所以说它某某方面很牛估计vo也不信，这里撒
   谎反而容易取得信任）
v: 频频点头，问我要导师的email
  
m：给他了导师的email和导师牛的简历，趁它看得时候，连忙说
   我导师牛就一个字，既是这个这个这个，又是那个那个那个的
v：回国计划
m：清华研究，I have great advantages for this position. (给vo下一个套，让
他
   问我为啥）
v：（果不其然）有没有sl.
m: 我觉得这个sl没啥作用，我跟领导谈过，（露出为难状，vo开始频频点头，然后
以为
  
  
   我好像没有sl）不过如果你硬是要看，我给你看一看。
   拿出sl（sl我让领导连信封封口都签了字，但是自己事后又打开了，没有粘）
v: 看着我那封一下就撕开的信封封口忧郁一下，看了看信，估计心中怀疑我拆开过
  
   画圈

m：无比后悔忘了重新粘过，
v: would you like to 10 window，撕条。
m：I am very glad to ,thx.
  
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....
  
  
发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇面试防守篇实战2(7) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 20:49:37 2003), 转信
  
★本防守战例成功的关键----- 自信的回答选校问题
注意加亮部分。
  
      横了一条心，要和秃头决战到底！
  
      本人清华本科、硕士。专业：CIVIL。去UW-MADISON，全奖。
  
      秃头喊我名字，于是上前。
  
      M: NICE TO MEET YOU SIR, HERE IS MY CARD.
      TT: WHAT'S YOUR SEPCIALTY?
      M: MY SPECIALTY IS XXX.
      TT: What's that? （作迷惑状)
      M: The research of my area focuses on .....
         (被打断，作明白状)
      TT: How many universities give you offers?
      M: 3, including X, XX, XXX
      TT: Why not XXX?
      M: I think the program of ....
         (被打断，秃头提高声音）
      TT: But it's XXX!
      M: I think the bigger name is nonsense for me, I have my own research
         interest, and I think my research background fits the UW-MADISON
         quite well...
         (被打断，诡异的笑，然后说"OK, YOU HAVE YOUR CHOICE")
      TT: Give me your G & T
      M: OK, here you are.
        (看完，过了一会。。。）
      TT: your plan?
      M: I will join in my current research group in Tsinghua...
       (被打断，喊道。。。）
      TT: You said in Tsinghua?
      M: Yep!
      TT: Are you sure you can find this position?
      M: I am very confidence that .....
      (被打断，说道。。。）
     TT: Go to window 10
      M: Thank you, have a nice day!
  
     当秃头向我诡异的笑的时候，我感觉他是要放我了，所以后面回答

      PLAN的时候底气足了很多。
  
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....
  
  

发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇面试防守篇实战3(8) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 20:57:02 2003), 转信
  
★ 本案例成功的地方在于---成功的解说在中国的社会关系使得其将来
   能够回国奉献。
  
我下午432号，当时首先出场的是台湾阿姨，我前面的蓝牌子全部
去她那里。我是浅粉，被姗姗来迟的美男和glassboy领走，他们两个
一起签粉的。在看到美男伙同glassboy接连据掉了5、6个人，包括我
紧前面清华经管也去读经济的一个哥们在被说sorry后，我已将生死
置之度外了，呵呵。这时美男叫到我的名字。。。我上
  
m: afternoon, sir, nice to meet you
v: nice to meet you too.
m: here..is..my..card...(声音发颤，呵呵给大家丢人了)
v: thank you, so you are going to study doctorate on economics?
m: yes, phd in economics at uc riverside.
v: what are you studying now, Bachelor or Master?
m: master, in financial mathematics
v: how many universities gave you financial aids?
m: 3 in total. it's uc riverside, xx u,  uc xx
   gave me a ta position after I have accepted the fellowship
   offer of riverside (同时挤眉弄眼做无奈状)
v: (笑)hehe, I understand it. (笑的好帅啊，同时在我的ds表上写下东西)
v: what's aspect of economics will you study?
m: financial economics
v: so what's financial economics?
m: financial economics, what distinguishs it is the central
   role uncertainty plays both in financial theory and
   empirical implementation (早就事先背熟的名言，嘿嘿).
   My current research focus is stochastic control theory
   with application to economics and finance issues.
v: ok. （这时看到我ds表上的工作经历一栏）en? you working
   as an analyst in China securities research?
m: yes. I graduated as a Bachelor from Peking U in year 1999,
   then I was working there for one whole year, before went
   to master program
v: so what's your plan after graduation?
m: I have decided to develop myself as a senior financial
  analyst here in China. Most likely after I gets my phd
  degree from riverside, I will return China and join TX
  investment consulting where I was working last summer.
  here is a letter from CEO, he strongly welcomes me back to
  work with him again, are you interested to have a look?
v: sure. (然后一直在看，我就不停地在旁边吹这个公司有多牛，
  老板有多欣赏我等等)
v: ok, but why not being an analyst in USA but back to China?
m: ok, I strongly believe China will have much more
   opportunities years later because China is under a
   financial reform. Besides, I already have a strong social
   network in China, it's the determinant factor for my future
   career development. all these will let me succedd in a
   relatively short period of time. I don't think it is wise
   to give up all these and stay in USA alone.
v: en, then why you study phd in USA but not in Chinese university,
   like, Tsinghua?
m: obviously, USA has the best phd program in the world,
  especially in the field of economics. economics is just an underdeveloped
  
   major here, if I want to get a down-to-earth touch of
   western economics, I need to go USA to study.  What's more,
   the policy makers of China are highly influenced by
   economists return from western countries, especially USA.
   if I can get a phd degree from riverside, I will have a
   strong back-up research experiences to succeed in China.

v: (思考一会儿)，how can you be sure, that 5 years later，you still
   have your strong social network?
m: 一愣，正要吹跟ceo的感情有多好，他多欣赏我不会不管我等等，
   我的i-20表被递出来了，我以为他据了我，但是发现跟着他在我的
   ds表上画了一个圈，并扔出一张小黄纸
v: go to window 10
m: (谄媚的)thank you! have a wonderful day!
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....
  
  

发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇面试防守篇实战4(9) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 21:10:49 2003), 转信
  
★ 本案例成功的地方在于---成功的解说自己上次被据签的原因。
   这对北京的XDJM们非常有用哦。
  
M; Morning sir. Nice to meet you.
V: 。。。。。（looking through my stuff, I-20 and 156, 157 etc）
M: Last time I was rejected by the gentleman at window 6 (秃头) on the groun
d of insufficient materials.
V: what is it?
M: he said I didn't have the financial proof for the second year. ( mine
is a two-year program, you know), but I never knew it was required so I did not
bring it.
V: So did you bring it this time?
M; Yes of course. Here you are. (递进去父母为我开的存款证明)。
V: whose money is this?
M: It's my parents. I suppose it's more than enough. But the first year is
  
my
own money.
V: so how long have you been working at …..?
M; One year (should have said 13 months), but before that I had another year
  
at
….., and another year BEFORE THAT at ……
V: So what's your plan after you get your degree?
M: Sir, there are a few important reasons for me to come back to China as
soon as I get the degree, but now the single most important reason is that I
want to come back and look after my mother. She had a surgery………………… half
year ago, but my family never told me until a few days ago. The doctor said she
'll be Ok in the next 2 or 3 years, but now I am very DEEPLY WORRIED about what
will become of her health after that. So believe me, sir, the very minute I get
my degree I'll jump on a plane and come back…… I just want to settle down in
Beijing with a higher position in my old company as they have promised me, with
better benefits and thus I can take better care of her….
V: ……OK. So what is your current position at your company and what positio
  
n do
you expect to get when you come back?
M:………………………Actually, here is a letter written by my boss …. （偶的外国
老板）， it's kind of short but it took him half an hour to talk with our
chief  editor in Singapore on the phone to decide the wording of this letter. They really MEAN it. Sir.
  
这期间他不停地在偶的１５６，１５７表上写东西，偶则滔滔不绝地说，他根本也没有要打断偶的意思。

Ｍ: Sir, (laughs) would you take a look at a few stories that I've written
at ? (采访报道写的文章)？但这时他已经在扯兰条了。头一回看见啊。
V: I guess not. Please go to window 10 to get your visa.
M: THANK you VERY MUCH, SIR!  走了两步想起来回头，have a nice day ,sir!
V; You too.
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....
  
  
发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇面试防守篇实战5(10) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 21:17:11 2003), 转信
  
★ 本案例成功的地方在于---
成功的借用教授都有留洋经历解释出国
  
本人读研博二从清华退学，前往UC-Davis，为准备退学的硬伤，也着实费了脑筋，听前
人的意见，开了清华RA工作证明，以在清华工作两年的
身份隐瞒了，还开了老板的supporting letter，可谓材料多多.排的是456号，下午1点
  
VO：MIKO
ME：yes, It is me.
走上窗口，等待。
VO:Give me the yellow card.
ME：Here you are.
Vo is reading my I-20 Form.
VO: Have you earned your B.S in USTB at Materials Science?
ME: Yes( With happy smile) 这么简单的问，我都不用想哦
VO: So you have also earned your M.S in BUAA at Materials Science?
ME:Yes.(HEHE, too easy question)
VO: And you are working as a research assistant in Tsinghua University?
ME:Yes(都不用我自己说，太Simple的问题了)
正在得意中，VO发难了：
VO: How much is your salary?
ME: About three thousands RMB yuan.
VO: OK, After graduation,where do you want to go?
ME: Oh, I will come back to china, and find a faculty position in Tsinghua
U
niv. I have a supporting letter from my research
advison ,would you like to read it?
VO: Ok!
我赶紧拿出准备好的Support letter.递给她,
VO：You open it.
ME: It seems that it is a little diffcult.开了许久，自己昨天粘的太好了，总
算
开了，大妈笑了。
VO正在读。我说：
ME：My advisor got his ph.d in USA...被打断。
VO: What is SEM?
ME: ＊＊＊＊
VO：How many university do you apply?
ME: Six
VO: How many accepted you?
ME: 2. the other is University of Florida
VO: Why you refuse UF?
ME: UC-Davis has the high academic reputation in materials science pragram
,
Moreover,in Davis my future advisor'research
direction quite matches with my interest.
VO: after your two years'work, why you pursue the PH.d. and why do not u
pursue Ph.D in Tsinghua University?
ME: 这是个关键问题，我为这个准备了很多次。我说道
After two years' work, I find much space to explore in Materials science.
No
wadays, you know in China, and in Tsinghua
University, most of the leading professors have the experience of oveaseas
s
tudying. My career goal is to be a professor in
Tsinghua,so I want to pursue my Ph.D in USA.
VO: Window ten,开始黄条了，于是激动地
ME: Thank you, madam.
  
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....

  
发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇之教训篇1(11) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 21:36:19 2003), 转信
  
★ 本案例失败的地方在于---
   对自己的回答没有把握，放弃了前面进攻篇中的原则!
  
  
vo:good morning(讲话速度到是不快,不过问题与问题当中可一点空隙也没有)
me:good morning,madam
vo:what will you do in usa?
me:I will continue my studay and.....(还没说完)
VO:ph.D? I see
vo:political economics?(连让我说yes的机会都没有)
me:it is the name of the ph.D program in boton Univ. in fact, there are many f
ields. my special field is finance.(递给她boston的专业设置的那个website)
vo:I don't want to see it.
vo:XXXXXXX
这句我没听清楚,好像说what will you do......
我想怎么又是这个问题,
me:for now?
vo:扫了我一眼,what is your long-term plan?

me:after 5 years,when i get my ph.D degree in america, I will come back to chi
na to find a position in a government research center or some research centers
in top universities.
vo:(又斜眼扫了我一眼)can you say sth. about the asian financial crisis.
me:(ft! 没有准备)asian financial crisis, I thought the cause is the captical f
low in and........(还没往下说呢,看到她把写好的材料都递出来了,伸手去拿据签章)
  
一下子乱了,也不知道自己说了什么
vo:I can't give you visa(啪,据签章先盖好)(我连说wait a minute,  let me explain
的机会都没有)5years is too long,  I don't think you will do as you said.
yymm把护照递出来,立刻低头做事情,看也不看我
me:thank you, anyway.
(现在很后悔说最后的礼貌的话)
  
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....
  

发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇之教训篇2(12) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 21:41:19 2003), 转信
  
★ 本案例失败的地方在于---
   他学得是吉他，而又要推广爵士乐， 并且强调在美国他不能获得成功
这说明该申请者不具备音乐家该有得自信与底气，去美国完全是出于
娱乐心态。 这样得人是不符合美国对人才的需求的。
  
同时发现资金花费过大，没有奖学金，更能认为该生完全是出于娱乐性质，
否定其理论研究倾向。故句。
  
基本情况:转到一个与以前专业完全无关的专业继续念本科.
因为学校不给新生全奖,奖学金有限,需要经济支持
出乎意料vo根本没问我转专业的问题.
vo:你去哪个学校?
me:我去berklee college of music读本科
vo:你去马来西亚参加的面试是关于?
me:一个由berklee教授主持的关于音乐家素质奖学金考试,
我参加了演奏,视唱连耳..........(被打断)
vo:你的乐器是?
me:电吉他
vo:你每天练多久琴?
me:3小时/天,我利用业余时间练琴
vo:你的老师是?
me:xxx,xx音乐学校的创始人校长...他说我是中国最好的女电吉他手..
vo:你申请中国的大学了吗?
me:没有,因为中国没有流行音乐的大学
vo:你为什么不跟你的老师继续学下去?
me:我的老师强烈推荐我去berklee,他觉得我在他那儿可以毕业了
vo:你为什么要读这个学位?
me:我认为一个本科学位可以帮助我实现我的梦想,
我梦想用我演奏的音乐帮助越来越多的中国人体验爵士乐的快感.
我想成为中国顶尖的爵士音乐家.
vo:你想在中国推广爵士乐?(故意强调"爵士乐",
我感觉我的职业目标是不是定的有问题)
vo:你为什么不会留在美国?
me:我想在中国成为一个顶尖的爵士音乐家,
而不是在美国做一个三流音乐家为生存而挣扎.因为美国有那么多天才的音乐家,
而中国却很少有人推广爵士乐
vo:如果我据签你,你打算怎么办?
me:无论如何我不会放弃音乐,我将组建一支乐队,寻找演出机会,
养活自己,但是我想我很难成为顶尖的爵士音乐家了.
vo:你有经济材料吗?

(我感觉就从这开始急转直下)(把所有材料递进去,
但是她坚持只看存折,有厚厚一叠存折,但每笔数额都不大,
这是大家建议我这么做的,说大笔的钱容易被怀疑是借来的,
但是很明显她只翻了翻最上面的几张)
vo:看上去并没多少钱呀!(其实里面的钱的总额足够交完所有四年学费了)
me:berklee给新生的奖学金有限,如果我在以后几年....
vo:我知道,但你没法说服我你学吉他专业还能回国....
  
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....
  
  
发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇面试征尘篇(13) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 21:50:44 2003), 转信
  
好了，相信看完这么一些饺子精心总结的VISA 面试理论加实战，你应该
对面食有了很完整的理解了，接下来，不用我说，开始上路吧: )
上路也要打点行装嘛，okey,做最后的准备：
  
1、仪表：这是极其重要的一点，不要以为老美不重仪表，其实美国人最以貌取人，
  
    所以，绝对不能穿背心和短裤，除非牛的不得了，或签不签无所谓。男生深色短袖衬
衣+西裤+皮鞋+蓝或灰色的袜子，领带不要系，因为天实在太热，寄领带会让签证官子
觉得有故作姿态感。签证时站直，手最好不要放在台子上，更不能趴在台上。　应届
毕业的女生可以穿 T-shirt和牛仔裤，也可以穿连衣裙，颜色浅一些显得比较清爽干
净。签证的大厅里有空调，如果等的时间长可能会有点凉，别穿没有袖子的衣服，而
且除了适合穿晚礼服的场合外，其他正式场合穿无袖的衣服有点不formal。 年轻的
女孩刚从大学出来，也没有必要化妆，主要是头一天晚上睡好觉，早上清清爽爽的去
就好了。如果是工作过的girl， 打扮的成熟和更职业一点更好。总之，根据自己的
条件和身份，穿一件平时喜欢的衣服去吧。
2、自信：紧张是不可避免，但说话一定要特别大声，没听清一定要大声Pardon
    ，不用说Sorry什么的，可以大胆批评环境嘈杂和喇叭不好。
3、make voice confuse in your MAJOR!!!大胆谈专业，越深越好，不要怕签证官

    听不懂，美国人最重视和尊敬拥有专业知识技能的人才。
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来
发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题:  TorlinBible----VISA签证篇之啰嗦篇(14) [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 22:21:23 2003), 转信
  
所谓罗嗦，就是婆婆妈妈了，因此在你拿到签证以后，千万不要忘记养育了你多年的
父母，陪伴你多年的爷爷奶奶，公公婆婆。没有他们，也就没有了你，多陪他们说说
话，比如说去烧香了，逛街了（不过最近好像不太适合在几个地方逛街）。总之，作
你能够让他们开心的事情，这是你的责任，也是你的义务。此去经年，又要好多年不
见他们了。
        相信这里有很多人一样，离开自己的家乡有很多年了，现在又要离开自己的祖国，
去到一个既熟悉又陌生的国度去开始新的旅程，飞跃人一个共同的特点就是有一颗跳
跃的心！
在这里感谢申请过来时一直支持自己的朋友，我们在美国仍然能够携手共创未来！
  
另外，饺子有个心愿，那就是重组CSSA （中国学生学者联合会），这个组织就目前
规模来说很大，但是又非常的松散，没有能够对我们的申请提供任何有用的帮助。我
想这一届的飞跃人能够积极的加入到这个组织中去，改造这个组织，使得它们更好的
为中国服务，为GoAbroad 服务。--
  
  
是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....
  

  
发信人: torlin (饺子(干水机管理员)), 信区: AdvancedEdu
标  题: TorlinBible----VISA签证篇之完结篇 [/COLOR]
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Thu May  1 22:27:09 2003), 转信
  
  权且给自己出任水母清华AdvancedEdu 飞跃重洋， 日月光华GoAbroad 出国专题
两个版面的斑竹经历做一个交待，很快就要辞职了，感谢雪儿mm,milano一直以来的
支持，尤其是雪儿mm把我从复旦带到了这里，在这里认识了很多的朋友，你们都时
我永远的朋友，朋友是一辈子的, right?:)
  
  等你签证过了，如果觉得饺子的这些对你有用的话，别忘了加句感谢哦：）
  
                                                          Torlin
                                                          05/01/2003
  
  
  
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是你的一定是你的，不是你的强求不来....

ianduUID: 38396

torlin 太能写了

hui2003UID: 37436

谢谢torlin！好文章！

iamsureUID: 125612

太感激了!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ianduUID: 38396

祝torlin好运！

talentgirlUID: 80167

好多令人感动的话

悠悠白书UID: 106973

really helpful article.....
thank you,iandu