issues103 历史研究的价值 觉得好难写啊

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第一次写作没有限时，而且憋得自己快内伤了……这道题我实在写不来




"The study of history has value only to the extent that it is relevant to our daily lives."


Nowadays some people prefer application science such as economics and engineering to more academic studies like history and philosophy, some even depreciate the study of history asserting that its only value lies in relevance to our daily lives. I highly doubt that perception has any terminology precision or practical reliability, for I am convinced that history study is so deeply embedded in every aspect of human lives that the value of it is immeasurable.

历史研究对人过去，现在，未来的指导意义

First, history gives us identities. The universal value of any discipline is to help people understand the world. In that sense, history study is very valuable for it helps us to understand the most fundamental identity of ourselves and our circumstance. Why we are who we are? How we get this far? Why we conform to certain culture, tradition, religion and so many other constraints? The answers all lie in the study of history, it helps us to know our country, our ancestor and the whole human civilization. Anyone who lack basic knowledge of history will also lose the sense of nationality and cultural identity thus living in a bare desert. Maybe people do not have to talk about history every day, but actually their behavior is dictated by the history of their nation and culture. History is indeed valuable because it has profound influence on people’s daily life.

Secondly, history gives us knowledge. History can help people to draw experience from the past and make great contribution, or at least avoid making same mistakes their precedents did. In fact, every discipline is the accumulation of historic development, i.e., everything we learned in the school or university is the history of previous works. So how can anyone possibly say that the knowledge he or she is using now in the daily life is irrelevant to history? Specifically, a study in history of scientific development can help new scientists to make full use of established theories and practice and bring about new ideas, that is—standing on the shoulder of giants. The history of civilization is of greater significance. Contemporary generation can draw experience of success and failure of past generation so as to build a better society. Now the world is suffering from economic recession. Nations look in retrospect to the recession in early 19s and find the solution—stronger governmental interference. History gives us precious lessons to deal with new challenges.




Furthermore, history gives us inspirations. History helps us to know about the splendid world and heroic figures and greatly inspire our imagination. Some everlasting words and deeds of masters are etched in history, like my idol Xu Xiake, the first professional traveler in Chinese history who lived in Ming dynasty four hundred years ago. Xu covered many of China’s mountains and attractions with primal equipment while taking serious geographic records which became precious archival for later geographers. Xu’s courage and fearless spirit has motivated me to be a professional climber, and has always encouraged me to face any obstacles in my life. Although some studies of history may seem irrelevant to us at all, such as how ancient Mayas made sacrifice to their gods, we can still find amusement and inspirations about the world in them so as to enrich our lives.

In sum, history influences us more than we could sense, it penetrates into every aspects of our life, not just daily trifles, but into our present identities, our knowledge gained from the past and our inspirations for the future. Therefore, the study of history is of great value and will never become obsolete.

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Nowadays some people prefer application science such as economics and engineering to more academic studies like history and philosophy, some even depreciate the study of history asserting that its only value lies in relevance to our daily lives. I highly doubt that perception has any terminology precision（何意？） or practical reliability, for I am convinced that history study is so deeply embedded in every aspect of human lives that the value of it is immeasurable.（点题稍显不直接。题目是“历史价值在日常”，而本T是“历史有价值”，二者之间还是不太一样的。确切些，点出对“日常”的看法比较好）

First, history gives us identities. The universal value of any discipline is to help people understand the world. In that sense, history study is very valuable for it helps us to understand the most fundamental identity of ourselves and our circumstance. Why we are who we are? How we get this far? Why we conform to certain culture, tradition, religion and so many other constraints? The answers all lie in the study of history, it helps us to know our country, our ancestor and the whole human civilization. Anyone who lack basic knowledge of history will also lose the sense of nationality and cultural identity thus living（live） in a bare desert. Maybe people do not have to talk about history every day, but actually their behavior is dictated by the history of their nation and culture（道理说完了，举例吧~一堆大话空了点，找点切身的例子比较好。哪些behavior是受历史主导的？哪些风俗思想文化是由历史传承或者在历史中显现的？不同的历史会带来啥样的identity？之类之类。忌空话，上分析！）. History is indeed valuable because it has profound influence on people’s daily life.（前文中daily life的感觉不够啊。除非能把上句的behavior跟daily life联系起来（通过举例啥的）。本段前半部分说了一大堆身份感文化等抽象的东西，感觉跟daily life距离有些远）（另，本段TS是历史赋予归属感，最后结于“对日常有影响”？）

Secondly, history gives us knowledge.（不推荐这样的TS写法。理由很简单：句子短了，信息量不够，不够出彩） History can help people to draw experience from the past and make great contribution, or at least avoid making same mistakes their precedents did. In fact, every discipline is the accumulation of historic development, i.e., everything we learned in the school or university is the history of previous works（语气过于绝对。“大部分”OK，说“全部”就可能失之武断了）. So how can anyone possibly say that the knowledge he or she is using now in the daily life is irrelevant to history?（其实写这题的时候我一直纠结的事情是：啥叫daily life？吃喝拉撒睡还是每日上班打卡？嗯，不过把科学研究啊哲学思想啊什么的归为“远离日常”的一类，应该还算安全吧。）， Specifically, a study in history of scientific development can help new scientists（本想说科研离日常挺远，但想一想，对于科学家来说确实算是日常。于是冒出新想法：若要扣“日常”，或许可以根据不同职业领域等分领域来讨论历史对于他们的“日常”的影响……）（没法子，“日常”这概念是题目的中心，得关照一下） to make full use of established theories and practice and bring about new ideas, that is—standing on the shoulder of giants. （两个例子之间，+连接词）The history of civilization is of greater significance. Contemporary generation can draw experience of success and failure of past generation so as to build a better society. Now the world is suffering from economic recession. Nations look in retrospect to the recession in early 19s and find the solution—stronger governmental interference. History gives us precious lessons to deal with new challenges. （本段TS提到知识，其实内容写到的是两方面的知识：一是基础，积累下来的知识；二是借鉴，防止犯错或提供参考的知识。点OK，但混在一起了没分清，尤其是举例时，建议例证之前来些提示性的观点句，注意连接，让结构更好看。）

Furthermore, history gives us inspirations. History helps us to know about the splendid world and heroic figures and greatly inspire our imagination. Some everlasting words and deeds of masters are etched（用过去时或完成时） in history, like my idol Xu Xiake,（对照一下主语（豪言与壮举）跟举例（人物）吧，能说“我需要维生素，比如苹果”？二者不是一个等级的） the first professional traveler in Chinese history who lived in Ming dynasty four hundred years ago. Xu covered many of China’s mountains and attractions with primal equipment while taking serious geographic records which became precious archival（archive） for later geographers. Xu’s courage and fearless spirit has motivated me to be a professional climber, and has always encouraged me to face any obstacles in my life.（例子选材可，描述的时候可再突出重点：详写徐霞客的困难与坚韧不拔，多用形容词副词口牙！生动些！） Although some studies of history may seem irrelevant to us at all, such as how ancient Mayas made sacrifice to their gods, we can still find amusement and inspirations about the world in them so as to enrich our lives.

In sum, history influences us more than we could sense, it penetrates into every aspects of our life, not just daily trifles, but into our present identities, our knowledge gained from the past and our inspirations for the future. Therefore, the study of history is of great value and will never become obsolete.
这篇，如果说题目是“论历史的价值”，那么很OK。但题目是“历史价值只在日常”，就得小心不要写成万金油了。私以为两个点需要回应：日常，只。可惜的是俺看完这一篇仍然不清楚作者到底想怎么回应。是认为历史价值就在日常（因为全篇都在不停地联系日常），还是认为历史价值不止在日常（好像结尾段黄字）？这种摇摆很大程度上是因为没有明确“日常”是啥，首段T也没能阐述清楚观点。建议考虑这个方面。之后再关注下“只”的问题吧
以上~加油。

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很感谢你的意见每次都很中肯！
确实我觉得全篇最失败就是没有定义“daily life”，因为确实觉得daily life这个range 太大了，我原来那篇把一些很大的东西都归到了daily life里去，比如人活在世界上的身份认同啊、生活中用到的知识啊啥的啥的,于是我觉得干脆表达出对daily life定义不明的质疑算了。


Nowadays some people depreciate the study of history asserting that its only value lies in relevance to our daily lives. I doubt the credence of that perception because it gives vague information about what is “daily”. I am convinced that except some overly specific ones, most history studies are so related to every aspect of our lives that the value of them are immeasurable.


对大多数人——太细致的历史研究没价值
对一些过于物质化的人——历史研究没价值
对大多数人——提供大致趋势、一般知识的历史研究是有价值的

Admittedly some history studies do not affect contemporary people in the slightest. Discoveries like how ancient Lantianman restored food seem really distant for ordinary people in a modern society, thus can generally be considered “irrelevant”. For people who only care about the benefit of the “present” and the “future”, even history of the past century is of little practical value. Those people would rather spend their time on more substantial things like the state of the stock market now and tomorrow. The majority of people do not specialize in history so it is unnecessary for them to learn too specific historical events and changes unless they regarded history as personal interests.

However, it does not suggest that history studies irrelevant to mundane life are of little value. The disrespect for history study is depreciation of the work of historians which is of equal, if not more, importance to great discoveries in physics or biology. The universal value of any discipline is to help people understand the world. In that sense, history study is very valuable for it helps us to understand the most fundamental identity of ourselves and our circumstance. Our current values, beliefs and code of conducts were formulated during the long process of history, and historians work to explain the “present” by studying the “past”. For instance, studies on ancient sage Confucius revealed the Confucianism ethics deeply rooted in the Chinese society for thousands of years even till nowadays. On a large scale we still base out judgment of good and evil on that traditional ideology.

好吧，例子是出现得太晚了，实在因为这段论证有点绕

其实我还想到一个论点就是：凭什么说跟日常无关的研究就是无价值的？那所有学科的深度研究，比如如何治疗精神分裂症，火星上有没有水，跟绝大多数人的“日常生活”也没有关系吧，它们难道就都没价值么？但扯得太远驾驭不了……

因为以上这点，我深深地BS这道issue题目出得真妖孽……

Secondly, history can help people to draw experience from the past and make great contribution, or at least avoid making same mistakes their precedents did. In fact, every discipline is the accumulation of historic development, i.e., everything we learned in the school or university is the history of previous works. So how can anyone possibly say that the knowledge he or she is using now in the daily life is irrelevant to history? Specifically, a study in history of scientific development can help new scientists to make full use of established theories and practice and bring about new ideas, that is—standing on the shoulder of giants. Moreover, the history of civilization is of greater significance. Contemporary generation can draw experience of success and failure of past generation so as to build a better society. Now the world is suffering from economic recession. Nations look in retrospect to the recession in early 19s and find the solution—stronger governmental interference. History gives us precious lessons to deal with new challenges. （本段TS提到知识，其实内容写到的是两方面的知识：一是基础，积累下来的知识；二是借鉴，防止犯错或提供参考的知识。点OK，但混在一起了没分清，尤其是举例时，建议例证之前来些提示性的观点句，注意连接，让结构更好看。）


历史知识丰富我们的生活
Furthermore, general knowledge in history gives us inspirations. History helps us to know about the splendid world and heroic figures and greatly inspire our imagination. Some everlasting heroic deedsof masters were etched in history, like my idol Xu Xiake,（对照一下主语（豪言与壮举）跟举例（人物）吧，能说“我需要维生素，比如苹果”？二者不是一个等级的）(徐霞客那不是壮举么？)the first professional traveler in Chinese history who lived in Ming dynasty four hundred years ago. Xu covered many of China’s mountains and attractions with the most primal equipment while taking serious geographic records which became precious archival（archive） for later geographers. It is easy to imagine what possible dangers he might encounter to travel under such circumstance, but he accomplished his great journey out of love for nature and his country. Xu’s courage and fearless spirit has motivated me to be a professional climber, and has always encouraged me to face any obstacles in my life. Although some studies of history may seem irrelevant to our daily life, in them we can still find amusement and inspirations about the world so as to enrich our lives.



In sum, history influences us more than we could sense, it penetrates into every aspects of our life, not just daily trifles, but into our present identities, our knowledge gained from the past and our inspirations for the future. Therefore, some people may deliberately stay unaffected from the field of history, but that does not diminish the great value of history studies on the whole.

再叹一声，果然超高频的题目真的都暗藏玄机超难写的。

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B2黑体第二句结尾in physics or biology不太清楚为啥出现。后文好像没有提到相关内容啊。儒教大概算metaphysics？也不是physics吧= = 这段观点还是可以的，如果觉得例子出现得晚了，可以把部分说理和分析总结啥的放到例子之中或者之后，比如结合起来，谈谈对儒教的历史研究包括哪些方面，能够揭露啥，这些研究对当今社会的影响云云然后推出貌似无关的研究也是有益的之类。

另，你那个想到的论点可用啊。其实B2也有这个意思，但偏重精神方面。可以再来个物质方面的嘛。

“徐霞客”不是“壮举”，“徐霞客做过的事情”才是。（话说俺也在反省这个是不是有点carp，LZ自己取舍吧）

整理了一下LZ的观点：1承认有些琐碎的史实无用；2但是其实与日常无关的研究也能有用，因为能提供归属感和身份感；3此外，能够提供借鉴以少犯错；4还能鼓励人。私以为顺序可以调整下。1342如何，因为感觉2这个与其他的相比玄乎了一点，可以放最后装13用= =