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[选校相关] MLA:UPenn还是Cornell?(纠结完毕,去Cornell,新增两方"自我评价"的信息) [复制链接]

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已经接受了Cornell的admission,结果又从UPenn的waitlist上升到admission了。拜托版上的各位童鞋给点想法吧。。。
问题1 UPenn和Cornell的LA风格有什么不同?我是完全没基础的,MLAI,哪边比较适合?
问题2 UPenn比Cornell一年贵多少
问题3 费城治安到底怎么样
……(此处省略可比条件若干,大家自由发挥)……

呼唤了解情况的ggjj回答一下啊,万分感谢!!!!!


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应要求,在此贴出我从两家问到的他们的"自我评价",给需要的童鞋们做点参考

下面这个邮件是UPenn回我的:
Thank you for your note. I believe that is widely regarded and recognized in the profession that UPENN is a superior program to Cornell.  If you compare the faculty and teachers, you will see that UPENN has a larger number of world-renowned scholars and practitioners (consider Profs Mathur, Olin, Mcloskey, Giannetto, Hunt, or myself, for example, not to mention the many international visitors we have teaching (Profs Gouverneur from Venezuela, Morabito from Italy, Umemoto from Japan, Mosbach from France, for example).  Look at our record of achievement in terms of advancing work in the field, as well as our teaching strengths. This also means that we have a much higher international profile than Cornell's program, with many of our teachers and students focusing upon global issues.  Our curriculum begins with local sites and issues, but quickly transitions into looking at international sites and urban problems.  this year, for example, we have studios looking at sites in Bogota, Barcelona, London, Shenzhen and Mumbai.  I do not believe you would find this range of options at Cornell. and finally, I do believe that our curriculum and teaching content is superior, and really is what we are best known for.  Please study our informational materials very closely to see how our curriculum works, and to see the many successes aur students enjoy (many win international design competitions, awards,a nd receive excellent placement in leading-edge design offices around the world).  And also note that while your first year is a fixed curriculum, your remianing two years are comepletely open, offering you many options to choose from.  We also benefit from being in a design school alongside architecture, planning, fine arts and urban design.  You can draw a lot from these programs, including taking courses as well as cross-disciplinary studios.
In sum I really do believe that you will find UPENN the better program -- for our faculty, our curriculum, our international exposure, our commitment to urbanism and to cross-disciplinary work.  Our students and alumni are testament to the success of our program.  Having a major design practice myself in New York, I would never hire a Cornell grad over a UPENN grad -- not because I am prejudiced but because the UPENN portfolios are so much more sophisticated, skill-based and inventive.
I urge you to choose UPENN -- coming from Hong Kong, you will fit in well with our international student body, our global outlook and the cosmopolitanism of our program!  The choice should be simple.
Please do not hesitate to email me if you have any more questions or concerns.

下面三个是Cornell的老师们回的:

Congratulations on your acceptance to Cornell!  It was a highly competitive year for few places.

Our program is distinctive for a few things.  

1) Perhaps the remark about "trees and plants" comes from our setting in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences.  This gives us fabulous resources for sustainable design and we have an emphasis on urban ecology because of our excellent courses and research across this college. On one hand, we have better resources than landscape architecture programs that are better known for urban ecology, like Penn. On the other hand,  this location in CALS takes us away from some of the College of Architecture, Art and Planning's design energy.  It is not correct that we do not emphasize design, however. Our faculty are trained at Harvard, Penn, Berkeley, and Cornell, and are excellent designers.  Our students have just won or placed in many design competitions internationally.

During the coming year, it looks as though we are going to have a new structure that will put us in both colleges--Architecture and CALS' School of the Environment.  As a student, you will be part of developing this relationship.

2)  For me, the big difference between our program and that of our competitors, is that you can follow your own interests to a greater degree.  You begin by declaring a "concentration."  This is the part of the coursework you design for yourself, 5 classes from anywhere across Cornell University.  So, for example, you can graduate with a MLA with a concentration in urban design, sustainable design, cultural tourism, digital media, archaeology, historic preservation, teaching, fine art, architectural studies, horticulture, or whatever you can imagine for yourself.  The goal is to help you go into an area of landscape architecture that you love. Cornell's motto is "Any person...any study."

Some graduate students then choose to do a Master's thesis or design thesis based on this interest.  It is uncommon to be able to do a thesis or independent studio at many MLA programs.  If you have a special passion for an specific area of landscape architecture, Cornell has a great curriculum.  
3)  Cornell is in the country.  We focus on local cities that have suffered from industrialization and pollution.  If you want to live in a large city, Cornell is not satisfying.  If you prefer beautiful countryside, you will love it here.

4)  We are a small department, and very friendly.  There are opportunities to teach and to work with faculty on research.  You will never be anonymous here.  Your classmates will be friends and colleagues for the rest of your life.

I hope this helps you to think how Cornell differs from other programs.  I wish you could visit!

Another reply from Cornell:

Congratulations on your acceptance into the Cornell MLA program.

I think your answers would be best addressed by Dan Krall, our director of graduate studies, who is normally very timely at responding to students inquiries. I have copied him on this email and will see him later today and remind him of your email.

The one thing I can definitely say is that your friends' perception is not accurate. We are in CALS, which opens up possibilities for students to take classes in the various departments (Horticulture, Natural resources, Environmental Economics, Sociology, GIS) but we are deeply grounded in design, and our students develop a very strong education in design theory, community design, and landscape representation. This is witnessed by the number of competitions they have won or placed at the very top, such as the Ed Bacon Competition, The ULI Hines Urban design competition, the Green Communities competition etc.

In any event, I encourage you to talk to Prof. Krall. I am certain he will be able to give you a very accurate picture of what makes us unique.

One More:

I am happy to provide some information about our department. We are the only Ivy League University (as compared to Harvard, University of Penn.) that has both an undergraduate and graduate programs. This provides some of our students who wish to teach after graduation practice in a classroom with undergraduates. Our department is noted for its placement of students in professional offices. Many employers have said that they like that our students are very technically as well as theoretically (design based) prepared for practice. We have a strong relationship with the fields of ecology, city and regional planning. These relationships provide not only the traditional skills of most departments of Landscape Architecture, but also provides the academic breadth of a major University like Cornell that is not often found in schools of design.  Studio design is our focus and our strength. I hope this helps you make a decision. All the very best.

这里并不是要两所学校一比高下,只是贴出来让大家看看他们各自的特色,在选校的时候多一点依据。

要说我具体喜欢Cornell的什么,大概就是学术上更大的自由度,更宽的perspective (ecology/culture/archaeology/anything you can invent...),更友好的氛围,和学校的motto加美景吧(这个对我真的很重要!)。考虑到自己将来可能也想做老师,Cornell学术方面的氛围和特色就更显得重要了。而且从Cornell的回信里,能看出他们很重视学生本身("As a student, you will be part of developing this relationship.")
UPenn当然是业界数一数二的program,老师名气也更大,这是非常好的资源(见UPenn回信)。但考虑到自己对太digital或者conceptual的东西没啥感觉,又希望能有一个更宽的perspective去发展自己的兴趣,就理所当然地选了Cornell。
其实选适合自己的就好啦~祝愿大家都能做出不后悔的选择:loveliness:
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两家风格不一样吧,看你的喜好了
我觉得吧,有钱去upenn,没钱去cornell。。。
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两家风格不一样吧,看你的喜好了
我觉得吧,有钱去upenn,没钱去cornell。。。
LeviathaZ 发表于 2010-4-18 13:52

能具体说说风格有什么不同吗?
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发表于 2010-4-18 14:05:42 |只看该作者
问题2 UPenn比Cornell一年贵多少
光学费应该就差1.5万美金一年,再加上Cornell后来还有可能拿TA之类的就会差更多
问题1 看看UPenn的学生作业吧
http://www.design.upenn.edu/landscape-architecture/process-books
http://www.design.upenn.edu/land ... ure/graduates-books
问题3 治安在美国排名很一般,不过你想想那么多人都读出来了,没有理由你会出事,只要自己小心就好。
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发表于 2010-4-18 14:10:10 |只看该作者
听说James Corner今天上午刚发了Wait List
有收到的同学要提问的可以一起发在这里
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发表于 2010-4-18 14:14:28 |只看该作者
是又发了一批wl,还是转正的都已经发完了呢。。。mla2的发了没

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顯然upenn。。。

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顯然upenn。。。
g217gjy 发表于 2010-4-18 14:22

也不一定嘛,我见过喜欢Cornell胜过UPenn的,也见过喜欢Cornell胜过GSD的……
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是又发了一批wl,还是转正的都已经发完了呢。。。mla2的发了没

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baotian1 发表于 2010-4-18 14:14

不是很清楚,应该是会分批的。因为毕竟被转正的同学不一定都来。
可以问一下LZ不知道Penn有没有给答复的Deadline?
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不是很清楚,应该是会分批的。因为毕竟被转正的同学不一定都来。
可以问一下LZ不知道Penn有没有给答复的Deadline?
melty 发表于 2010-4-18 14:25

Corner只是说 within the next few days。
话说版上cornell的同学都不冒个泡 什么的。。。我很想看cornell的作品集呢
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不纠结啦,去Cornell啦!!
第一面就确定的,还是相信缘分吧~
有种说不出来的预感,两个学校都很好,但就是觉得我的性格比较适合cornell,在cornell我会吃好睡好心情舒畅,而且至少可以看三年的超美校园:lol
非常感谢各位童鞋的意见,尤其是melty姐姐每问必答的热情:)
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不纠结啦,去Cornell啦!!
第一面就确定的,还是相信缘分吧~
有种说不出来的预感,两个学校都很好,但就是觉得我的性格比较适合cornell,在cornell我会吃好睡好心情舒畅,而且至少可以看三年的超美校园:lol
非常感 ...
jinxia 发表于 2010-4-18 22:18


不客气,祝未来一切顺利:)
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啊 什么人有这种思维啊
cornell离Penn和GSD还是有距离的吧 8# melty

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那你以后就是俺师妹了 呵呵 欢迎加入 :) 11# jinxia

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啊 什么人有这种思维啊
cornell离Penn和GSD还是有距离的吧 8# melty
xiaoransusan 发表于 2010-4-19 07:56


风格问题吧,个人觉得很多建筑学校没有好坏只有喜好。。

这届有个学姐就是喜欢偏FINE ART,和扎实的建筑传统,扣扣空间什么的,不喜欢DIAGRAM的瞎侃,DIGITAL的外形。。所以比较喜欢CORNELL, ETH而非MIT,哈佛。。。

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