ISSUE157，观察是主观还是客观的问题……晕啊

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157. "There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires."


Objective and objective are the two fundamental conceptions in the domain of philosophy. Whether something is objective or subjective is unclear even nowadays. The case also gives a rise on a hot debate on the issue whether the observation is objective. To my perspective, the issue is so complex that no exact answer will reach.

Firstly, people observe the objects with their own eyes, so it is unknown what be judged green by people has the same color through a frog or a fly’s eyes. To answer the question, it is not necessary to ask the frog or something others, because the conception “green” is defined by human themselves. So the whole process is based on a subjective sense. What color is it in the pure nature is impossible to be known. And even the conception “color” is defined by the humans. What characters does the “color” really stand for is also impossible to answer. People explain every phenomenon, including the sound, light, etc, based on their own sense but never known what the object is in the pure nature and cosmic. Therefore, the observation is a subjective process.

Secondly, the observation is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires. When the people are happy, they tend to give charitable interpretation of events they witness; the eye of the beholder is colored by the emotion of the beholder. The same object maybe judged even opposite by two persons. When an individual is glad, he/she may find the weather is good with a shining sun in the sky, but the same weather may be thought as a hot and even terrible one by a person who is sad. From this perspective, the observation is also a subjective process.

However, the subjective observation can disclose something objective. The green (as is defined by humans) reflects something with some character but not others, and all the objects have such characters are observed as green. It is an example to explain that the general law in the cosmic is objective and humans can grasp the objective laws through subjective observation. It is such a strange phenomenon and even a paradox that through a subject process to get something objective. But it does exist in the humans’ behaviors. From such perspective, the observation can be judged in some sense as an objective process.

Discussing so much and for so long, the problem remain a red herring to the domain of philosophy. Descarts, one of the greatest philosophers, claim several decades, “ I think, therefore, I am”. Whether the assertion is suitable for the observation is a heartbreaking and backbreaking task. And the debate will go on and on.
大家批吧，谢谢了……

木耳UID: 123036

Objective and objective (错了吧？subjective)are the two fundamental conceptions in the domain of philosophy. Whether something is objective or subjective is unclear even nowadays. The case also gives a rise on a hot debate on the issue whether the observation is objective. To my perspective, the issue is so complex that no exact answer will reach. (the contention held by the speaker is too extreme that hardly one exact(accurate) conclution can be drawn) 批完作者论点，最好再加上自己的观点。

Firstly, people observe the objects with their own eyes, so it is unknown what be judged green by people has the same color through a frog or a fly’s eyes. To answer the question, it is not necessary to ask the frog or something others,(else) because the conception “green” is defined by human themselves. So the whole process is based on a subjective sense. What color is it in the pure(real) nature is impossible to be known. And even the conception “color” is defined by the humans. What characters does the “color” really stand for is also impossible to answer. People explain every phenomenon, including the sound, light, etc, based on their own sense but never known(know) what the object is in the pure(real) nature and cosmic. Therefore, the observation is a subjective process. (好像少明显的中心句。是不是该这样讲：In many cases, subjective observation or deducing does not necessarily follow incorrect or inappropriate idear and conclusions. 而且颜色对于青蛙或者苍蝇可能会不同这个例子似乎不太合适。其实这里用有关人类精神世界的例子可能会更好.)

Secondly, the observation is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires. When the people are happy, they tend to give charitable interpretation of events they witness; the eye( eyes?) of the beholder is colored by the emotion of the beholder.(可以这样讲？老美可能不会明白吧？是不是该这样讲：One's conclultion and preference is always influenced or even deviated by the ideas,emotions or positions one holds)The same object maybe judged even opposite by two persons. When an individual is glad, he/she may find the weather is good with a shining sun in the sky, but the same weather may be thought as a hot and even terrible one by a person who is sad. From this perspective, the observation is also a subjective process.

However, the subjective observation can disclose something objective. The green (as is defined by humans) reflects something with some character but not others, and all the objects have such characters are observed as green. It is an example to explain that the general law in the cosmic is objective and humans can grasp the objective laws through subjective observation. It is such a strange phenomenon and even a paradox that through a subject process to get something objective. But it does exist in the humans’ behaviors. From such perspective, the observation can be judged in some sense as an objective process.

Discussing so much and for so long, the problem remain a red herring to the domain of philosophy. Descarts, one of the greatest philosophers, claim several decades, “ I think, therefore, I am”. Whether the assertion is suitable for the observation is a heartbreaking and backbreaking task. And the debate will go on and on.
(一篇文章一定要有确定的结论！！什么a red herring 虽然是很拽的词--好像在一篇No.阅读中见过--当用在这里非常不合适。前面几段好像还挺有理，可读了最后一段却感觉你在混淆视听！一句the debate will go on and on 就足以使这篇文章to be a failure!虽说是issue,但也别太romantic.You are not on Tintanic! And a Titanic would absolutely sink!!!

中间两段没细看，自己再好好改改。

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文章一定要有结论吗？我觉得不一定吧，只要把问题的复杂程度分析清楚就行了吧，不会一定要求出结论吧。the observation is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires. When the people are happy, they tend to give charitable interpretation of events they witness; the eye( eyes?) of the beholder is colored by the emotion of the beholder这句话是GRE填空里面的

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When the people are happy, they tend to give charitable interpretation of events they witness; the eye( eyes?) of the beholder is colored by the emotion of the beholder这句话是GRE填空里面的
那时我孤陋寡闻了

但我还是坚持文章又有结论。你所说的吧问题复杂程度分析清就行了并不意味着说你可以这样写
the problem remain a red herring to the domain of philosophy

Whether the assertion is suitable for the observation is a heartbreaking and backbreaking task. And the debate will go on and on
你能否认这两句话其实不是一个意思？并且这里只是说这个问题复杂，其他好像就没什么了吧？
复杂的问题可能没有普适的结论，但在特定的情况下一定有解决办法。就算你只是觉得它复杂，也要说清怎么复杂，为什么复杂，复杂在那里。

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"What color is it in the pure nature is impossible to be known.

I think should be ""What color is in the pure nature is impossible to be known. "

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呵呵，谢谢楼上，那个"What color is it in the pure nature is impossible to be known. 俺错了
我明白 木耳 的意思了，我试着改改^_^
谢谢啦……

木耳UID: 123036

呵呵，我的一贯主张是要有鲜明的观点，而且就算没有好的文采，也必须有清晰的逻辑关系。你文笔很好的，不过可能是过分注意文字了，逻辑关系和观点就有些模糊。

共勉：）

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呵呵，3x again