Issue171 过程Vs结果;个人Vs整体--对立统一关系

dezhiUID: 156141

Issue171 过程Vs结果;个人Vs整体--对立统一关系
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作者：dezhi     共用时间：64+20分45秒     451530 words
从2004年2月17日11时35分到2004年2月17日12时40分
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People who pursue their own intellectual interests for purely personal reasons are more likely to benefit the rest of the world than are people who try to act for the public good.
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Position : Agree with some reservation
一、应该为个人利益进行科学研究
   1、人们关注的更多是过程,而非结果,而使人们在研究过程中坚持下去的,是对个人兴趣的追求,它可以极大激发人们的创造力。人们为了个人原因不断探索自己感兴趣的领域，最终会取得成功。例子：陈景润
   2、个人组成整体，如果每个人都为自身努力追求，最终的结果是造福全人类。如果是为了public，人们可能会放弃自己原来的兴趣，因为可能他们的兴趣所在恰恰好象对社会没有什么用处。然而，可能正是这些领域具有重大价值，虽然对社会没有直接的作用，却可以启发其他新的发现，或者间接推动技术的进步。举例：管理理论的丛林（发现这个例子好象不能很好的证明论点，所以没有用上）
二、不能忽略public good
     一味追求个人兴趣而置public good于不顾甚至损害之，则他们的成功是毫无意义的。是否能被社会承认，关键是看它是否为社会进步和人类的发展作出贡献。例子：二战中一些化学家研究生化武器。
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Do people who pursue their own intellectual interests for purely personal reasons make greater contributions to the society than those who act for the public goods, just as the speaker asserts? I fundamentally agree with this statement with some reservation, and I would like to give my evidences to demonstrate it as follows.

First of all, it is more significant to pursue personal intellectual interests in the long run for almost any achievements. As we know, process is of greater importance than result, as only process itself can be made under control, rather than the result. In addition, pursuing personal intellectual interests can stimulate people to concentrate on the issues investigated and encourage them not to give up until success. Take Chen Jingrun, one of the greatest experts in mathematics in the contemporary scientific history of China, for example. He was enthusiastic about the beauty of mathematics, and devoted most of his time and energy to prove the abstruse hypothesis. What maintained his persistence was probably the immense interest in　numbers, not the purpose of serving the public. Without such a fantastic devotion to mathematics, he may not be able to achieve success of proving "1+2", which enhanced the scientific level of our country and benefited the public good.

The second aspect I would like to point out is that the society would surely benefit a lot due to all varieties of personal efforts, just for individual interests. If more people made their efforts in perspective scientific fields just due to personal reasons, it would turn out a glorious future for our society as a whole in the end. Imagine an individual who is interested in something which may not benefit the rest of the world directly or immediately. To act for the public good, he/she may probably have to give up his interest; as such a process may be meaningless. However, such interests may lead to meaningful achievements which enlighten inspirations of other experts, or advance the scientific techniques indirectly. To conclude, if each individual makes efforts for purely personal reasons without considering the direct effects on the public good, it is more likely for personal efforts to contribute to the well being of the rest of the world.

Admittedly, in spite of the importance of pursuing individual intellectual interests, the public good ought not to be neglected at any time. Public good should be placed before any individual achievements after all; otherwise the individual success takes no sense, which is not cherished by the society. The evil deed of chemical scientists in the World War II is a case in point. They simply tried hard to invent chemical weapons to destroy the soldiers of enemy army, without taking so many innocent lives into consideration. Consequently, their efforts for personal interests in chemistry only brought war, starvation, and death to the rest of the world, not beneficial influences at all. To avoid the occurrence of such cases, people should not risk damaging the public good for any reason.

To sum up, without ruining the public good, it is the pursuing of people's own intellectual interests for personal reasons that are more likely to benefit the rest of the world.

超时20分钟，还写成这熊样，faint~~~

lovebrianUID: 157127

People who pursue their own intellectual interests for purely personal reasons are more likely to benefit the rest of the world than are people who try to act for the public good.

来不及细看了 看了提纲！
我觉得题目论断的前提是“more than ”   
dezhi的issue里恐怕没有涉及到吧~~~~~~
也就是说应该从好处谁多谁少上来进行论证~~~

俺自己的一点愚见~~嘿嘿

dezhiUID: 156141

谢谢lovebrian！

是啊，我先说了为个人利益做研究最终能造福社会，然后在body3有个让步，说不能忽略大众利益，没有涉及两者谁更重要这个问题

FT，我再好好想想:)

seeseafastUID: 127774

题目好像应该意思是两类人的问题

fishergirlUID: 152325

这里的interests到底是兴趣还是利益呢？

lovebrianUID: 157127

最初由 fishergirl 发布
[B]这里的interests到底是兴趣还是利益呢？ [/B]

对了
！！！
interests是利益还是兴趣？
而且在提纲中把利益兴趣交叉着写了 至少应该统一（嗯？！把提纲里面的利益俩字儿改了就行了 ）

dezhiUID: 156141

interests利益？不是兴趣interest？
Faint,,,,Faint,,,,,~~~~~
完全写跑题了， :eek:

lovebrianUID: 157127

最初由 dezhi 发布
[B]interests利益？不是兴趣interest？
Faint,,,,Faint,,,,,~~~~~
完全写跑题了， :eek: [/B]

困惑啊！！！请教一下别人 我也迷糊

xqmelissaUID: 140370

我觉得两个解释都可以的,只要你自己在文章开始时说清楚了自己说的到底是哪种即可

fishergirlUID: 152325

兴趣：个人兴趣VS社会需求
利益：个人利益VS公众利益

我觉得好像“兴趣”好写一点。

helenalexUID: 158065

People who pursue their own intellectual interests for purely personal reasons are more likely to benefit the rest of the world than are people who try to act for the public good.

intellectual interests，心智方面的兴趣/利益？其实如果是心智方面，兴趣就是利益，我按照我自己的喜好做事情，不就是为了自己心里舒服做事情么？没有区别。只要不写成物质利益就不算跑题。
陈景润的例子挺合适的。

fishergirlUID: 152325

汗……我的确没有看到"intellectual"！

dezhiUID: 156141

to fishergirl:
兴趣：个人兴趣VS社会需求
利益：个人利益VS公众利益
总结的真好:)，我也倾向于写第一种，
我写的时候，是这么考虑的：人们在自己的兴趣驱使下作研究（注意，这是前提），有的是为满足个人的利益，而有的是一心为公，丝毫不考虑自身能得到什么好处。这么理解对吗?
另外，public good应该指公众利益，公众所能得到的好处，与社会需求有关系吗？

to helenalex:
intellectual interests 我理解是对智慧的兴趣，也就是科研工作中对技术、科学的痴迷，这么理解有没有问题？

eaglezhouUID: 156651

intellectual interests 能不能将其上升到个人追求来说呢

dezhiUID: 156141

将intellectual interests 上升到个人追求，是不是有些言过其实了？
要不然intellectual就没有什么作用了