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rebecca1983UID: 149834

No.110
“When we concern ourselves with the study of history, we become storytellers. Because we can never know the past directly but must construct it by interpreting evidence, exploring history is more of a creative enterprise than it is an objective pursuit. All historians are storytellers.”
How can we know things happened thousand years ago? Since people live for a relatively short period of time in the history chronicIe, historians are a bridge between present and the past, in the assistance of whom we can learn many significant events happened long long ago. Someone compare historians to storytellers; however, the characterization of historians' role as "storytelling", in my point of view, carries certain unfair implications, which I cannot completely agree.

When we talk about storyteller, we are referring to those making up beautiful stories with their passions and imaginations, like Green and Andersen. The Tinderbox and The Ugly Duckling have exerted great influence on children of many generations all over the world. We all have used to show great sympathies on the miserable life of the little girl and the ugly duckling. Though the stories are moving and beautiful, they have never happened in real life. The characters created by the storytellers enlighten our life and express their own passions.

The tasks of historians are totally different from the storytellers'. Historians' job is to represent things happened in the past to people living today. The history events presented by historians are on the basis of the concrete history evidences. In the process of recovery, historians do a series of scientific analysis on the history evidences at hand. Every conclusion and assertion they have made should have enough proofs to support it and should be objective and without any personal emotions. The origin of human beings is a case in point, though it seems unacceptable for humans to acknowledge that human beings are evolved from apes, historians have cited out adequate evidences indicating that humans are originated from apes. So historians are working on reality rather than creativity

One cannot go very far to see the differences between historians and storytellers. Take the same example of the origin of human beings. How a storyteller will describe the origin of human beings? We have read about many editions on this issue. Many storytellers describe human beings as the descendants of some deities and many ancient heroes are just the offspring of human and the god. However, none of these sagas, which are full of the author's admiration, have convincing evidences to justify it.

Some people maybe of the opinion that historians often give out kind of hypothesis when they lack of evidences. It is true that because of the fragmentation of the history remains historians can discovery, they sometimes need to make full use of their creativities to put all the fragmentary history evidences together. Nevertheless, this does not mean that historians can create history by their own interest and put those rare history evidences aside. The reinstatement of the figure of the dinosaurs serves as a typical example. On the basis of a number of remains left by the dinosaur and in the combination of the rational imagination, historians come to the conclusion that dinosaurs have a short tail and long neck. In conclusion, the proper imaginations are just a supplementary and never the main means in the historians' work.

To sum up, exploring history is an objective pursuit, which requires concrete proofs and logical analysis. Historians are telling the truth rather than a story. So it is pretty unfair to equal historians to storytellers.

rebecca1983UID: 149834

先自己说一下吧，最不满意的是我的结尾，都不知道要写什么。中间写的过程断断续续，思维不连贯。总是写了一半又回头看自己前面写了什么。大家能给点建议吗？
PS：很希望能和大家结成互相批改的小组，大家共同提高：）

十三妖UID: 155669

结构把握得不错，后面没怎么看，感觉后面比前面写得流畅点。互相帮忙改，怎么样？
How can we know things happened thousand years ago? Since people live for a relatively short period of time in the history chronicle, historians are a bridge(总觉得有点别扭，许多历史学家是一座桥？还是很多桥) between present and the past, in the assistance of whom we can learn many significant events happened long long ago（放在word里怎么第二个long下有横线？用in man’s early days也可以吧）. Someone compare historians to storytellers（你这是比较吧，我觉得应该是consider/regard historians as storytellers）; however, the characterization of historians' role as "storytelling", in my point of view, carries certain unfair implications, which I cannot completely agree.

When we talk about storyteller, we are referring to those making up beautiful stories with their passions and imaginations, like Green and Andersen. The Tinderbox and The Ugly Duckling have exerted great influence on children （ of many generations ）（用from one generation to another怎么样？）all over the world. We all have used to show great sympathies on（用with吧） the miserable life of the little girl and the ugly duckling. Though the（these） stories are moving and beautiful, they have never happened in real life. The characters created by the storytellers enlighten our life and express their own passions.

The tasks of historians are totally different from the storytellers'. Historians' job is to represent things happened in the past to people living today. The history events presented by historians are on the basis of the concrete history evidences.（罗嗦了点吧。Historians' job is to represent past events，on the basis of the concrete history evidences, to people living today.） In the process of recovery（？？？）, historians do（make） a series of scientific analysis on the history evidences at hand. Every conclusion and assertion they have made should have enough proofs to support it and should be objective and without any personal emotions. The origin of human beings is a case in point, though it seems unacceptable for humans to acknowledge that human beings are evolved from apes, historians have cited out adequate evidences indicating that humans are originated from apes. So historians are working on reality rather than creativity

One cannot go very far to see the differences between historians and storytellers. Take the same example of the origin of human beings. How a storyteller will describe the origin of human beings? We have read about many editions on this issue. Many storytellers describe human beings as the descendants of some deities and many ancient heroes are just the offspring of human and the god. However, none of these sagas, which are full of the author's admiration, have convincing evidences to justify it.

Some people maybe(maybe是副词) of the opinion that historians often give out (放弃？)kind（s） of hypothesis when they lack of evidences. It is true that because of the fragmentation of the history remains historians can discovery, they sometimes need to make full use of their creativities to put all the fragmentary history evidences together. Nevertheless, this does not mean that historians can create history by their own interest and put those rare history evidences aside. The reinstatement of the figure of the dinosaurs serves as a typical example. On the basis of a number of remains left by the dinosaur and in the combination of the rational imagination, historians come to the conclusion that dinosaurs have a short tail and long neck. In conclusion, the proper imaginations are just a supplementary and never the main means in the historians' work.

To sum up, exploring history is an objective pursuit, which requires concrete proofs and logical analysis. Historians are telling the truth rather than a story. So it is pretty unfair to equal historians to storytellers.

aerozxyUID: 142241

How can we know things happened thousand years ago? Since people live for a relatively short period of time in the history chronicIe, historians are a bridge between present and the past, in the assistance of whom we can learn many significant events happened long long ago. Someone compare historians to storytellers; however, the characterization of historians' role as "storytelling", in my point of view, carries certain unfair implications, which I cannot completely agree.

When we talk about storyteller, we are referring to （直接用refer to感觉比较好）those making up beautiful stories with their passions and imaginations, like Green and Andersen. The Tinderbox and The Ugly Duckling have exerted great influence on children of many generations all over the world. We all have used to show great sympathies on the miserable life of the little girl and the ugly duckling. Though the stories are moving and beautiful, they have never happened in real life. The characters created by the storytellers enlighten our life and express their own passions.

The tasks of historians are totally different from the storytellers'. （开头加个转折连词比较好）Historians' job is to represent things happened in the past to people living today. The history events presented by historians are on the basis of the concrete history evidences. （这句话表达不太好）In the process of recovery, historians do a series of scientific analysis on the history evidences at hand. Every conclusion and assertion they have made should have enough proofs to support it and should be objective and without any personal emotions. The origin of human beings is a case in point, though it seems unacceptable for humans to acknowledge that human beings are evolved from apes, historians have cited out adequate evidences indicating that humans are originated from apes. （这个是历史学家的工作吗，应该是考古学家和生物学家的jobs吧）So historians are working on reality rather than creativity

One cannot go very far to see the differences between historians and storytellers. Take the same example of the origin of human beings. How a storyteller will describe the origin of human beings? We have read about many editions on this issue. Many storytellers describe human beings as the descendants of some deities and many ancient heroes are just the offspring of human and the god. However, none of these sagas, which are full of the author's admiration, have convincing evidences to justify it.

Some people maybe of the opinion that historians often give out kind of hypothesis when they lack of evidences.（语法有问题） It is true that because of the fragmentation of the history remains historians can discovery, they sometimes need to make full use of their creativities to put all the fragmentary history evidences together. Nevertheless, this does not mean that historians can create history by their own interest and put those rare history evidences aside. The reinstatement of the figure of the dinosaurs serves as a typical example. （这个例子又举的不恰当了吧，这是古生物学家的事情啊）On the basis of a number of remains left by the dinosaur and in the combination of the rational imagination, historians come to the conclusion that dinosaurs have a short tail and long neck. In conclusion, the proper imaginations are just a supplementary and never the main means in the historians' work.

To sum up, exploring history is an objective pursuit, which requires concrete proofs and logical analysis. Historians are telling the truth rather than a story. So it is pretty unfair to equal historians to storytellers.

个人感觉论述的角度比较好，但
mm举的两个例子undermine整个argument。
举例子的时候得考虑考虑啊！

欢迎批我的文章

xiangUID: 138532

本人水平有限,难提出什么独到的见解,不过阁下的语言工夫很值得我学习.
不过我觉得你的例子面太窄,其中好几次提到人的起源问题.至于人类究竟如何起源,至今仍为真正有论证吧.好象进化论还在遭受批判.我觉得换个例子比较好.
Storyteller究竟可以怎样解释,还值得斟酌.
我记得新概念有一篇文章中讲到,在没有文字记载以前,有的社会的历史就是由STORYTELLER来传播给后辈的.所以我认为不应该把STORYTELLER 看成不好的象征.
在下提的也许比较肤浅,看过你的文章后觉得自己还有很多的不足.我也有一篇文章贴在上面,ISSUE6 .可否请你帮我提提意见.谢谢!
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springyUID: 122511

No.110
“When we concern ourselves with the study of history, we become storytellers. Because we can never know the past directly but must construct it by interpreting evidence, exploring history is more of a creative enterprise than it is an objective pursuit. All historians are storytellers.”
How can we know things happened thousand years ago? Since people live for a relatively short period of time in the history chronicIe(chronicle?), historians are a bridge between present and the past, in the assistance of whom we can learn many significant events happened long long ago. Someone compare historians to storytellers; however, the characterization(查了一下，characterization是“描述”之意，这里是不是应该用character?) of historians' role as "storytelling", in my point of view, carries certain unfair implications, which I cannot completely agree(加上with).

When we talk about storyteller, we are referring to those making up beautiful stories with their passions and imaginations, like Green and Andersen. The Tinderbox and The Ugly Duckling have exerted great influence on children of many generations all over the world. We all have used to show great sympathies on the miserable life of the little girl and the ugly duckling. Though the stories are moving and beautiful, they have never happened in real life. The characters created by the storytellers enlighten our life and express their own passions.

The tasks of historians are totally different from the storytellers'. Historians' job is to represent things happened in the past to people living today. The history events presented by historians are on the basis of the concrete history evidences. In the process of recovery, historians do a series of scientific analysis on the history evidences at hand. Every conclusion and assertion they have made should have (这里用情态动词似乎不妥)enough proofs to support it and should be objective and without any personal emotions. The origin of human beings is a case in point, though it seems unacceptable for humans to acknowledge that human beings are evolved from apes, historians have cited out adequate evidences indicating that humans are originated from apes. So historians are working on reality rather than creativity（觉得这个例子不合适，人的进化不是历史学家考证出来的，而是生物学家的考证结果，建议换成别的例子）

One cannot go very far to see the differences between historians and storytellers. Take the same example of the origin of human beings. How a storyteller will describe the origin of human beings? We have read about many editions on this issue. Many storytellers describe human beings as the descendants of some deities and many ancient heroes are just the offspring of human and the god. However, none of these sagas, which are full of the author's admiration, have convincing evidences to justify it.

Some people maybe of the opinion that historians often give out kind （kinds）of hypothesis when they lack of evidences. It is true that because of the fragmentation of the history remains historians can discovery[/SIZE] ,  they sometimes need to make full use of their creativities to put all the fragmentary history evidences together. Nevertheless, this does not mean that historians can create history by their own interest(interests) and put those rare history evidences aside. The reinstatement of the figure of the dinosaurs serves as a typical example. On the basis of a number of remains left by the dinosaur and in the combination of the rational imagination, historians come to the conclusion that dinosaurs have a short tail and long neck. In conclusion, the proper imaginations are just a supplementary and never the main means in the historians' work. (同样的原因我认为恐龙的例子不合适，因为它更多的是来自生物学上的考证)

To sum up, exploring history is an objective pursuit, which requires concrete proofs and logical analysis. Historians are telling the truth rather than a story. So it is pretty unfair to equal historians to storytellers.

总结：我认为本文的例子举的不太合适。要论证历史学家和讲故事的人的区别，可以从历史学家的责任和工作方式入手。历史学家是将过去的事情还原给大家看，他们的工作中有大量的有据可查的纪录和文物。历史的作用在于帮助人类了解自己的发展。他们之所意看上去像故事事因为他们毕竟距离我们有一些年代，我们不熟悉。而故事却是一种文学性的创作，它糅入了作者的感情，夸张和放大了真实的生活。要举例，不如举历史学家从埃及金字塔来分析当时的社会状况这样的例子。

springyUID: 122511

看了上面的回复好像我的感觉和前面的都不一样，汗一个先！
楼上的各位，又恐也来瞅瞅我的文章喽，我们互相批改吧，每天至少一篇如何？
https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=174776

song123456UID: 133578

i am not sure that evolution is a good example for history
i think it will be better if you combine the second and third paragraphs as a single one and use the first sentence of paragragh 3 as the topic sentence.

PhoebuswangUID: 158473

No.1 [请求]issue110历史类的，久别寄托后的第一篇，恳请大家多多拍砖。小女子这厢先有礼了：）
No.110
“When we concern ourselves with the study of history, we become storytellers. Because we can never know the past directly but must construct it by interpreting evidence, exploring history is more of a creative enterprise than it is an objective pursuit. All historians are storytellers.”
How can we know things happened thousand years ago? Since people live for a relatively short period of time in the history chronicIe, historians are a bridge between present and the past, in the assistance of whom we can learn many significant events happened long long ago. Someone compare historians to storytellers; however, the characterization of historians' role as "storytelling", in my point of view, carries certain unfair implications, which I cannot completely agree.

When we talk about storyteller, we are referring to those making up beautiful stories with their passions and imaginations, like Green and Andersen.(例子错误，green is just a story collecter be careful!) The Tinderbox and The Ugly Duckling have exerted great influence on children of many generations all over the world. We all have used to show great sympathies on the miserable life of the little girl and the ugly duckling. Though the stories are moving and beautiful, they have never happened in real life. The characters created by the storytellers enlighten our life and express their own passions.

The tasks of historians are totally different from the storytellers'. Historians' job is to represent things happened in the past to people living today. The history events presented by historians are on the basis of the concrete history evidences.( too absolute conclusion) In the process of recovery, historians do a series of scientific analysis on the history evidences at hand. Every conclusion and assertion they have made should have enough proofs(too absolute) to support it and should be objective and without any personal emotions(with a abstruse record of history, the historian usually draw the conclusion according to his inner world- in another world-- more subjective and emotional). The origin of human beings is a case in point, though it seems unacceptable for humans to acknowledge that human beings are evolved from apes, historians have cited out adequate evidences indicating that humans are originated from apes. So historians are working on reality rather than creativity( the reasoning of this paragraph is somewhat irrational and make some assumption problems)

One cannot go very far to see the differences between historians and storytellers. Take the same example of the origin of human beings. How a storyteller will describe the origin of human beings? We have read about many editions on this issue. Many storytellers describe human beings as the descendants of some deities and many ancient heroes are just the offspring of human and the god. However, none of these sagas, which are full of the author's admiration, have convincing evidences to justify it.

Some people maybe of the opinion that historians often give out kind of hypothesis when they lack of evidences. It is true that because of the fragmentation of the history remains historians can discovery, they sometimes need to make full use of their creativities to put all the fragmentary history evidences together. Nevertheless, this does not mean that historians can create history by their own interest and put those rare history evidences aside. The reinstatement of the figure of the dinosaurs serves as a typical example. On the basis of a number of remains left by the dinosaur and in the combination of the rational imagination, historians come to the conclusion that dinosaurs have a short tail and long neck. In conclusion, the proper imaginations are just a supplementary and never the main means in the historians' work. ( the imagine in history does not mean the abandon of historical evidence, it is just a natural extend of the fragment of historical evidence and records to show a continuous and complete picture of the whole history)

To sum up, exploring history is an objective pursuit, which requires concrete proofs and logical analysis. Historians are telling the truth rather than a story. So it is pretty unfair to equal historians to storytellers.( too absolute result, maybe it is better for you to take a compromising way to express your ideas)
  
  In all ,the expression of the artical is beyond average, but pay attention to the logical thinking. executiong and organizing your steps with full reason and a clear thread.


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No.110
“When we concern ourselves with the study of history, we become storytellers. Because we can never know the past directly but must construct it by interpreting evidence, exploring history is more of a creative enterprise than it is an objective pursuit. All historians are storytellers.”
How can we know things happened thousand years ago? Since people live for a relatively short period of time in the history chronicIechronicle, historians are a bridge between present and the past, in the assistance of whom we can learn many significant events happened long long ago. Someone compare historians to storytellers; however, the characterization of historians' role as "storytelling", in my point of view, carries certain unfair implications, which I cannot completely agreeto.
开头写得不错,观点很明确
When we talk about storyteller, we are referring to those making up beautiful stories with their passions and imaginations, like Green and Andersen. The Tinderbox and The Ugly Duckling have exerted great influence on children of many generations all over the world. We all have used to show great sympathies on the miserable life of the little girl and the ugly duckling. Though the stories are moving and beautiful, they have never happened in real life. The characters created by the storytellers enlighten our life and express their own passions.

The tasks of historians are totally different from the storytellers'. Historians' job is to represent things happened in the past to people living today. The history events presented by historians are on the basis of the concrete history evidences. In the process of recovery, historians do a series of scientific analysis on the history evidences at hand. Every conclusion and assertion they have made should have enough proofs to support it and should be objective and without any personal emotions. The origin of human beings is a case in point, though it seems unacceptable for humans to acknowledge that human beings are evolved from apes, historians have cited out adequate evidences indicating that humans are originated from apes. So historians are working on reality rather than creativity.我觉得关于人类起源的问题更多的是古生物学家和人类学家研究的对象,古生物史只不过是他们的一个研究方向, 这不是历史学家的功绩,比如有人对经济史感兴趣,只能去报考经济系的研究生,而在历史系是不可能的

One cannot go very far to see the differences between historians and storytellers. Take the same example of the origin of human beings. How a storyteller will describe the origin of human beings? We have read about many editions on this issue. Many storytellers describe human beings as the descendants of some deities and many ancient heroes are just the offspring of human and the god. However, none of these sagas, which are full of the author's admiration, have convincing evidences to justify it.

AdimttedlySome people may have be of the opinion有点怪,就不如说have the opinion that historians often give out kind of hypothesis when they are lack of evidences. It is true that because of the fragmentation of the history remains historians can discovery, they sometimes need to make full use of their creativities to put all the fragmentary history evidences together. Nevertheless, this does not mean that historians can create history by their own interest and put those rare history evidences aside. The reinstatement of the figure of the dinosaurs serves as a typical example. On the basis of a number of remains left by the dinosaur and in the combination of the rational imagination, historians come to the conclusion that dinosaurs have a short tail and long neck. In conclusion, the proper imaginations are just a supplementary and never the main memethodans什么意思? in the historians' work.

To sum up, exploring history is an objective pursuit, which requires concrete proofs and logical analysis. Historians are telling the truth rather than a story. So it is pretty unfair to equal historians to storytellers.
你的语言很流畅,论证也很清晰,文章显得有层次, 不过我们俩对storyteller的理解有明显的分歧, 你把它理解为讲故事的人,而我对此的理解是他们认为历史研究中充满了主观色彩.

本文题目的观点实际上来自于新历史主义的核心观点, 他们属于后现代主义, 是很有争议的观点,在他们看来,世界上是不存在真理和客观实在的。后现代主义起源于言语解释学， 传统的观念认为语言中的“能指”和“所指”是一个事物， 而解构主义后现代学者则认为两者是分开的，“所指”的“客观实在”是永远都不在场的，那么我们所认识到的都只不过是我们自己或其他人建构的话本（text），所有的人都是storyteller。新历史主义是以后现代的观点来看待历史研究，所以他们认为历史学家只不过是对某个历史事件提供了一套叙述，只是一种话本（text）而已，真正客观的记载是不存在的，所以称他们为storytellers。