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楼主英德双语都很牛啊，膜拜一下~

uuup 发表于 2016-3-15 18:45
楼主英德双语都很牛啊，膜拜一下~

不啊我德语快忘光了... 感觉二者不可兼得... 也可能是我学的烂...

推荐先G再T ！感觉效果很明显... 考完G没怎么复习考T就有加成，特别是阅读，考前就重点抓了一下口语，不知道算不算挽救成功...  

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cannndy 发表于 2016-3-15 19:55
不啊我德语快忘光了... 感觉二者不可兼得... 也可能是我学的烂...

推荐先G再T ！感觉效果很明显... 考 ...

看来德语真的很容易忘啊......我有好几个同学都说考过德福之后几个月不用就又忘了

uuup 发表于 2016-3-15 19:58
看来德语真的很容易忘啊......我有好几个同学都说考过德福之后几个月不用就又忘了

噗哈哈  看来我不是个例_(:зゝ∠)_

大概德语太复杂？我学的时候就觉得好多单词长得太像，意思又接近，分辨不出... 语法变形又复杂... 很快忘光...  英语倒是能快速捡起来，德语感觉要重学了哈哈

以及谢谢跨版^^

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PhD in economics <--- I guess UZH econ and SSE econ are both good preparation, kick out HSG MBF in this case (not because it is HSG but mainly because it is BF)

finding a role in Sweden <--- SSE win for sure (but language concern + how many good finance role are there?)

finding a role in Swiss <--- HSG win for sure (but the full time working visa is........extremely difficult, if not impossible)


so I think the key point comparison is indeed: finding a job in Germany.
As far as I know, they are both very well-regarded school there.
So the university name doesn't make significant difference.

=> key comparison is: econ + higher tuition vs finance + lower tuition.......

in terms of job seeking only, I will say HSG MBF is better......a more practical program (since SSE MS Econ don't have much elective in econometrics and financial economics, though normally I prefer a more solid academics program + CFA.....), and more flexible program length (much lower cost when you want to extend and extend and extend for student status for internships).

cheesechan 发表于 2016-3-15 20:42
PhD in economics

非常感谢回复~

的确，我也觉得就业可能还是HSG更适合我，不过SSE真的是我申请的最认真的学校了... 放弃感觉好可惜...QAQ

谢谢~ 我再纠结两天....

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cannndy 发表于 2016-3-15 21:22
非常感谢回复~

的确，我也觉得就业可能还是HSG更适合我，不过SSE真的是我申请的最认真的学校了... 放弃 ...

sunk cost is irrelevant in decision.........I guess you know this already anyway.

cheesechan 发表于 2016-3-15 21:25
sunk cost is irrelevant in decision.........I guess you know this already anyway.

Thx 哈哈  很长一段时间的梦校就是sse了，读econ是我本科以来的长久执念  不过最近觉得自己学术不行   anyway  的确要好好考虑一下自己到底想做什么

SSE和HSG有经济学的double degree  我再研究一下^^

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cannndy 发表于 2016-3-15 21:34
Thx 哈哈  很长一段时间的梦校就是sse了，读econ是我本科以来的长久执念  不过最近觉得自己学术不行   an ...

suggest you to try to ask if it is possible to get you to the MiQEF in instead of MBF in HSG then....

有的，项目是HSG的MiQEF或者Econ   推荐MiQEF？（不过还不知道具体录取要求难不难...）

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cannndy 发表于 2016-3-15 22:01
有的，项目是HSG的MiQEF或者Econ   推荐MiQEF？（不过还不知道具体录取要求难不难...）

yes.
there are not much difference between the two program indeed.
their core courses are a bit different, but you can take that back in electives if you want.
and I favor QEF more then Econ simply because the word Finance in the degree title looks more beautiful for job-seeking, and also because it seems that QEF has a slightly better connection to their own PhD in HSG.


P.S. I don't think it really worth to do a double degree in the same discipline.........and that's why I suggest you ask HSG if it is possible to switch you from MBF to MiQEF instead of hoping on the DD.

having two similar level universities' certificate won't add much value, but will incur way more workload in coursework (but similar content)......which is quite time consuming and not efficient.

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我觉得是酱紫的，如果你打算读econ phd，就选sse，瑞典现在应该是博士读完了就有绿卡了。或者等等uzh，毕竟是很好的学校，再加上是德语区，你生活起来会比瑞典方便。（考虑到你本科就是学小语种的，所以其实应该知道再学一门语言是多么难。。。）

如果你打算在国外工作，再仔细看看umich的那个项目的课程设置吧，如果够tech的话，在美国找工作要容易得多，而且美国生活方便＋精彩。首先美国是个说英语的国家。T_T。另外在美国的中国人太多了，所以不管你想知道什么信息都可以在相应的华人论坛上找到，而在瑞士的话（我只说瑞士不说欧洲），你想要看病买车买房办绿卡结婚生小孩送小孩去幼儿园等等等，都是神烦，都只能自己去碰钉子自己去撞出经验来。
当然如果你打算工作的话，也可以考虑uzh的项目或者hsg，鉴于你会德语，会是一个plus，但肯定是要比在美国找工作难太多了～～感觉大家一般都比较风险厌恶

cheesechan 发表于 2016-3-15 22:07
yes.
there are not much difference between the two program indeed.
their core courses are a bit  ...

谢谢哈~  刚才没看清_(:зゝ∠)_

HSG转专业估计是不行的，看过录取标准... 感觉数理方面的背景还是差得远... 而且好像还要求writing sample..

嗯嗯谢谢意见，其实觉得也不一定能handle DD...

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沅 发表于 2016-3-15 22:11
我觉得是酱紫的，如果你打算读econ phd，就选sse，瑞典现在应该是博士读完了就有绿卡了。或者等等uzh，毕竟 ...

[keep subject constant] 個人感覺是, 對樓主這類會德語的人來說, 在德國找工作似乎比美國容易不少.

美國不是STEM基本回家, 但是我見過好幾個general finance在德國找到工作留下.
是STEM(e.g. CS)的話, 在美國還是有抽H1B的風險, 而德國的blue card shortage occupation list則還是不短的 (and I had never heard of people get a job there cant get a work visa.)

US OPT 有12/29個月, 但是去了德瑞這類接近零學費的, 基本上就是只要零成本拖著不畢業就可以無限復活找實習.....
(one point worth mention here is.......most internship in European continental is 6 months instead of 3, therefore able to be off a semester or two is important as normally an internship is necessary to get a full time role, even not at the same company)

As far as I know from one cohort of HSG MBF class, Chinese student with bachelor in mainland (some don't speak Deutsch), 想找internship的基本都能找到 (not limited within Swiss of course). Of course full time job is a more difficult story. I guess the same can be said for SSE.


P.S.1 個人看法是, 留在當地定居 (是看病买车买房办绿卡结婚生小孩送小孩去幼儿园等等這個層次, 而不是吃個飯上個學的初級水平), 理所當然地要融入當地社會, 學習當地的語言. 沒有了相应的华人论坛會頭痛的...........我會建議直接回家好了.

P.S.2 當然, 打算PhD的, 拿著SSE/UZH估計就沒甚麼動力等其他的了. HSG is not up to the level of SSE/UZH in economics research, though I see they are improving quite a lot recent years (Swiss has $$ these years)