issue32 学校是否该给所有老师相同报酬

bannissmentUID: 194122

Issue32
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A school or college should pay its teachers at the same rate in all disciplines, regardless of differences in salaries for related fields in the world outside of school. For example, entry-level teachers in mathematics and in the arts should receive the same pay, even if outside of school, math specialists earn a much higher salary on average than do specialists in the arts.
提纲：
1 不同意。学校不能完全平等的付给老师们报酬。
2 学校按照统一标准付给老师报酬是对劳动的不尊重。应该根据课程重要性，教学质量和课外科研成果区分对待。这样有助于避免教师之间的不平衡心理、一部分价值更高的人逃离学校体制、价值低的却倚着铁饭碗日益松懈。
3 社会按照劳动结果付给报酬，学校也应持同一标准。举例说明数学老师对于低年级学生的重要性大于艺术老师，所以得到更高报酬是合理的。同时学校奖励科研工作能够促进学术进步。
4 进一步强调学校不是经济海洋中的孤岛，不适合用隔离的薪酬制度，应该符合社会经济规律。
5 统一的报酬阻碍学术进步，唯有符合经济原理才使得学校蓬勃发展。
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What is the purpose of paying all teachers at the same rate for schools and college?I don't see any out-weighing advantages to do so, but rather following negative consequents. As far as most of the real cases, teachers are paid differently according to various standards in a certain school or college.

First of all, schools and colleges in fact degrade the respect they give to the teachers by paying all the same. Different work should be valued different in aspects like the importance of the course, the quality of teaching, the teacher's research papers out of class and so forth. Disparate treatement to teachers can form a friendly and equal atmosphere, and would avoid teachers' feelings of unbalance for their collegues in another field which might, by ultimately arising people's hatred towards the 'equality' in payment, drive teachers of hot subjects go out of the campus for a comparatively fair salary. On the contrary, teachers of not so hot fields would take schools as a safe place because they can get the same salary and there is less competition among peers in the same department. This thought will bring nothing but a degrading of their own academic and teaching standards.

Second, the society pays people according to their work, similar norms should be taken into school adminstrators' consideration. Teachers contribute differently to the school and thus impinge over students in featured ways. For example, math teachers perform a primary status in entry-level students' study while art teachers are selectedly important, therefore, more focus should be put on math teachers and such rules are manifested pre-hand and will be accepted by most of the school employers.Bonus for teachers' research is also indispensible in that, especially for colleges, teachers need to be couraged and pressured to explore further the scientific world and use more of their potential ability to gain advance in academics. From the above formulations it is clear that a single norm of paying would result in negative effects.

The last thing to be discussed here is whether schools are isolated islands in the economic sea of the society as a whole. The answer is certainly 'no'. Schools are only able to function normally as long as they observe the conformity with the economic environments in which one rule always reigns: to value the worth of people by the judgement of their labor. Incontrovertibly, this rule in fact dominates whatever schools and colleges, and once betrayed, there would be disasters to both teachers and students.

All in all, people would not like to see any school or college as isolated from the society in that this speciality might trap schools in a malicious cycle of academic development which finally harms students' benefits as well as the society as a whole. Therefore, schools and colleges can only seek a benign way out in unity with social and economic rules.

poohUID: 146994

2,3段似乎都说的一个事呢

body3应该说明一下如果不跟社会挂钩，很多人才会外流的

另外，度量标准比较难以把握。

你说“社会按照劳动结果付给报酬，学校也应持同一标准”， 但是你所说的例子并不合适，因为数学老师可能跟美术老师付出的劳动是相同的。但是你举的例子却是以重要性为尺度的

龙非UID: 193190

What is the purpose of paying all teachers at the same rate for schools and college?I don't see any out-weighing advantages to do so, but rather following negative consequents. As far as most of the real cases, teachers are paid differently according to various standards in a certain school or college.

First of all, schools and colleges in fact degrade the respect they give to the teachers by paying all the same. Different work should be valued different in aspects like the importance of the course, the quality of teaching, the teacher's research papers out of class and so forth. Disparate treatement to teachers can form a friendly and equal atmosphere, and would avoid teachers' feelings of unbalance for their collegues in another field which might, by ultimately arising people's hatred towards the 'equality' in payment, drive teachers of hot subjects go out of the campus for a comparatively fair salary. On the contrary, teachers of not so hot fields would take schools as a safe place because they can get the same salary and there is less competition among peers in the same department. This thought will bring nothing but a degrading of their own academic and teaching standards.
这一段的分论点是同酬不尊重教师，但是整一段并没有对这个论点进行很好地论证，建议修改分论点

Second, the society pays people according to their work, similar norms should be taken into school adminstrators' consideration. Teachers contribute differently to the school and thus impinge over students in featured ways. For example, math teachers perform a primary status in entry-level students' study while art teachers are selectedly important, therefore, more focus should be put on math teachers and such rules are manifested pre-hand and will be accepted by most of the school employers.Bonus for teachers' research is also indispensible（indispensable）
in that, especially for colleges, teachers need to be couraged and pressured to explore further the scientific world and use more of their potential ability to gain advance in academics. From the above formulations it is clear that a single norm of paying would result in negative effects.
这一段有同样的问题，并没有围绕着分论点展开讨论


The last thing to be discussed here is whether schools are isolated islands in the economic sea of the society as a whole. The answer is certainly 'no'. Schools are only able to function normally as long as they observe the conformity with the economic environments in which one rule always reigns: to value the worth of people by the judgement of their labor. Incontrovertibly, this rule in fact dominates whatever schools and colleges, and once betrayed, there would be disasters to both teachers and students.

All in all, people would not like to see any school or college as isolated from the society in that this speciality might trap schools in a malicious cycle of academic development which finally harms students' benefits as well as the society as a whole. Therefore, schools and colleges can only seek a benign way out in unity with social and economic rules.
最后的总结讲应该学校应该适应经济规律，个人觉得并没有很好地回应了开头的观点

龙非UID: 193190

此外，从通篇来看，有点偷换概念。题目要论述的是“是否应该对所有学科都采用相同的待遇”，而不是“是否应该对所有的老师采用相同的待遇”，可是bannissment的文章给我的感觉大部分是在论述不能对所有的老师采用相同的待遇，应该根据他们的劳动成果来支付，这应该不是同一回事。我的理解是即使所有的学科都采用相同的薪水待遇，也是可以根据劳动成果来支付薪水的。ok，你的教学质量高，那么你的级别会高一点，那么你的薪水会高一点，跟学科无关。就跟例子中一样，同时入门级的老师，薪水一样，而并不是说不同级别的老师也一样。因此，我觉得issue32论述的重点应该是不同学科的老师（注意是老师，也就是同在教学领域，不要跟校外比）在相同情况下他们创造的价值是否相等？如果觉得是相等的，那么就应该同酬，如果觉得是不相等的，那么就要区分。
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