issue144 lasting value 反对，第一篇限时作

G猫UID: 192988

今天写第二篇issue，第一次限时，感觉颇有点惨。虽然差不多是41分钟写完的，但是因为感觉时间不够了，有一段很重要的正面论述没写，写完的内容也根本没怎么组织。
我发现，考试的时候根本来不及想呀，所以提纲是不是得很详细才行呀。不知道大家是不是这样的。

现在只是修改了错字和语法，之后会把原来想写的东西添上去，大家帮我看看该如何取舍。

Issue144  第1篇 让砖头来得更猛烈些吧！
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作者：寄托家园作文版普通用户     共用时间：43分0秒     615 words
从2005年1月3日15时12分到2005年1月3日15时43分
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It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value.
*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.
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Artists, or critics, who give the society something of lasting value？
This question is pushing us to another question: "what is lasting value" something of lasting makes contribution to the society and our human beings which will not fade with the passage of time. like truth, whenever we human beings discover it, it helps us to judge, to conquer the nature ; like master pieces, they make us known that what is beauty and teach us about the world and the society; like architectures, they do not only serve us as shelters, but also became the emblem of the history. in a word, lasting value is the benefit we gain now and forever.
In view of the great number of art pieces that artist have contributed to us, almost no one would deny the status of artists. Their creations entertain us emotionally and spiritually. when we go to the Vermeer's exhibition, we feel the beauty that Vermeer conveys to us; when we are in front of the marvelous work of Monet's Sunrise, we can feel ourselves bathing in the cozy sunlight of the morning sun; when we are shocked by the character Shawshank's successful escaping, there is a feeling of sheer admiration for his persistence arousing in us. I can never count the enormous great experiences that art endow to us. Artists are really the persons who render us lasting value. And...
What about critics, are they really the "the drones in the learned world, devour the honey, but never work" Despite an artist may complain like that, one should not claim unequivocally that critics are of no worth to the society. Some people may argue, we do not need critics, for the teachers can assume the role that informs us with the back ground knowledge of certain art piece. Have you ever thought that is there any teacher who is more professional than the critics? It is a society of detailed 社会分工, even the critics are specialized in specific genre. If we put this task on teachers' shoulder, don't you think it's too much?
Other people may speak for the Shakespeare and Beethoven, who had been dismissed by their contemporary critics. This is true, but one cannot conclude that our body is white and hard just by a glance of the nail. We never know that because of critics, how many great work of "lasting value" are merged, but we could easily know that how many great artists and master pieces are discovered by critics. There’s so many. If not for the critics, it is unlikely for us to appreciate the "sunflower "of Von Gogh. In a word, without critics, there are no such art pieces of lasting value.
When we think that critics can give some constructive suggestions to the artists, some people will disagree. For they think that art is a kind of authentic passion of the artists, if they listen to the critics to improve their work, this is not real art. In fact, art is not such simple thing as expressing feelings. The key is, this feeling should can be also evoked in the audience. Besides creativity, the artists should know the truth lies behind any great work. And this truth can be drawn from the critics. The building of creativity is no summit, but it should build on the foundation of tools, skills and some principles, which artists can get from critics.
To sum up, any words to depreciate the contribution of critics is unwise. We should pay equal admiration and respect to both the artist and the critics. If not for them, we can not have such a brilliant culture today.

LSDUID: 157855

Issue144 第1篇 让砖头来得更猛烈些吧！
------摘要------
作者：寄托家园作文版普通用户 共用时间：43分0秒 615 words
从2005年1月3日15时12分到2005年1月3日15时43分
------题目------
It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value.
*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.
------正文------
Artists, or critics, who give the society something of lasting value？
This question is pushing us to another question: "what is lasting value" something of lasting makes contribution to the society and our human beings which will not fade with the passage of time[time lapse]. like truth, whenever we human beings discover it, it helps us to judge, to conquer the nature ; like master pieces, they make us known that what is beauty and teach us about the world and the society; like architectures, they do not only serve us as shelters, but also became the emblem of the history. in a word, lasting value is the benefit we gain now and forever.[这段大了个外围，我从来没用过这种方法]

[In view of the great number of art pieces that artist have contributed to us, almost no one would deny the status of artists]. Their creations entertain us emotionally and spiritually. when we go to the Vermeer's exhibition, we feel the beauty that Vermeer conveys to us; when we are in front of the marvelous work of Monet's Sunrise, we can feel ourselves bathing in the cozy sunlight of the morning sun; when we are shocked by the character Shawshank's successful escaping, there is a feeling of sheer admiration for his persistence arousing in us. I can never count the enormous great experiences that art endow to us. Artists are really the persons who render us lasting value. And...[这段说了艺术家的重要性，写的不错，但是题目实际上是个比较，在这里闭口不提评论家似乎不太合适阿]

[What about critics, are they really the "the drones in the learned world, devour the honey, but never work" Despite an artist may complain like that, one should not claim unequivocally that critics are of no worth to the society.] Some people may argue, we do not need critics, for the teachers can assume the role that informs us with the back ground knowledge of certain art piece. Have you ever thought that is there any teacher who is more professional than the critics? It is a society of detailed 社会分工[？？social status], even the critics are specialized in specific genre. If we put this task on teachers' shoulder, don't you think it's too much? [这段很多问句，没有什么自己的分析，个人认为不是很有说服力阿]

Other people may speak for the Shakespeare and Beethoven, who had been dismissed by their contemporary critics. This is true, but one cannot conclude that our body is white and hard just by a glance of the nail. We never know that because of critics, how many great work of "lasting value" are merged, but we could easily know that how many great artists and master pieces are discovered by critics. [上面的两个例子没有说清楚啊]There’s so many. If not for the critics, it is unlikely for us to appreciate the "sunflower "of Von Gogh. In a word, without critics, there are no such art pieces of lasting value.

[When we think that critics can give some constructive suggestions to the artists, some people will disagree. ]For they think that art is a kind of authentic[aesthetic] passion of the artists, if they listen to the critics to improve their work, this is not real art. In fact, art is not such simple thing as expressing feelings. The key is, this feeling should can[??] be also evoked in the audience. Besides creativity, the artists should know the truth lies behind any great work. And this truth can be drawn from the critics. The building of creativity is no summit, but it should build on the foundation of tools, skills and some principles, which artists can get from critics.

To sum up, any words to depreciate the contribution of critics is unwise. We should pay equal admiration and respect to both the artist and the critics. If not for them, we can not have such a brilliant culture today.

G猫UID: 192988

我本来想那个"大外围"先说一下,最后一段正文再呼应上去,结果写了个乱七八糟,最后一段也没来的及写. 因为看到有的范文也是先把对方的假设先一一驳斥, 我也想这样,却发现一写就收不了了, 每段驳斥我都可以写很多, 结果感觉时间不够, 所以都没写清楚.
我不喜欢模板,喜欢天马行空的,现在发现这在考试中是很危险的, 感觉现在自己要妥协了.
准备作文没几天,发现自己天天都在妥协 sigh.

G猫UID: 192988

还有,问一下,像你说的第二段没有提到artists, 那你觉得应该怎样写会比较合适呢.

LSDUID: 157855

比较阿，谈一谈评论家的行为在艺术家面前是多么苍白无力啦，评论家的语言和艺术家的造诣比起来是多么肤浅啦。:p

G猫UID: 192988

我又修改了一下下，本来想加一段说critics本身的知识体系也是具有lasting value的东西，可是发现没有时间限制的紧迫感，反倒写不出什么了，也有可能是惰性是然吧，所以暂时先改成这样，想让前辈看看这样论证会不会有问题
------题目------
It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value.
*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.
------正文------

Artists, or critics, who give society something of lasting value？

This question is pushing us to another question: "what is lasting value?” Something of lasting value makes contribution to the society and our human beings which will not be faded with the passage of time. Like truth, since we discovered it, it has been helping us to judge and to conquer the nature; like master pieces, they make us know what beauty is and teach us about the world and the society. In a word, lasting value is the benefit we gain now and forever.

In view of the great number of art pieces that artist have contributed to us, almost no one would deny the status of artists. Their creations ignite us emotionally and spiritually whenever and wherever (可不可以这样说呀). When we are strolling in a Vermeer exhibition, we experience feelings of beauty that Vermeer conveys to us; when we are gazing the marvelous work of Monet's Sunrise, we feel ourselves bathing in the cozy morning sunlight; when we are moved by Shawshank's persistence, we are also instilled such kind of endurance. I can never count the enormous great experiences that art has endowed to us. Artists are really the persons who render us lasting value. And...

What about critics, are they really the "the drones in the learned world, devour the honey, and will not work themselves"? Despite an artist may complain like that, one should not claim unequivocally that critics are of little value to the society. The critic’s job is to serve as some level of a filter for the public. May be some people will argue, we don’t need such a trashy critics, who almost let us lost the great genius of Beethoven. Admittedly, due to some critics’ narrow horizon and rigid standard, many eminent art pieces are almost immersed, such as that of Beethoven’s. But one cannot conclude that our body is white and hard merely by a glance of the toe nail. There more art works of lasting values were discovered by critics. If not for the keen perspective of critics, we may have no chance to appreciate the “Sunflower” of Van Gogh. (还要再补充一个例子才好). Although critics are not the creators of those master pieces, they found their value and present them to the public. In this sense, the lasting value of art works cannot discard the feat of critics’

When we think that critics can give some constructive suggestions to the artists, some people will disagree. For they contend that art is the manifestation of artists’ unique creative impulse, if they compromise to critics’ professional advices to improve their work, this is not real art. In fact, art is not such simple thing as expressing feelings. The feeling, which the artist wants to express, should be also evoked in the audience. Tolstoy once said something could be art “only if the spectators are infected by the feelings which the artist has felt.” Just like people almost prefer to things that are arranged according to 黄金分割率, there are reasons lying behind any outstanding work. If the artists want to deliver their thoughts and feelings more effectively, they must be aware of these reasons, which, are possible to get inspirations from the critics. The skyscraper of creativity is no summit, but it cannot even stand up without the foundation of tools, skills and some principles. With the critics’ valuable ideas, the artists are more likely to found out the internal sources of human expressiveness.

To sum up, any words to depreciate the contribution of critics are unwise. We should pay equal admiration and respect to both the artist and the critics. If not for them, we can not have such a brilliant culture today.

sailing_yfUID: 150982

现回一个，G猫，你的第一段里没有明确的表达你的观点，再有what is lasting value?”这不是本片要讨论的问题（个人认为），不要找题目的逻辑错误，只是给出观点或有所让步，或同不同意

G猫UID: 192988

谢谢sailing提的意见, 我原本觉得是不是能give lasting value 最好能先说一下lasting value是什么,后面才好论证. 不过我也觉得不用说那么多, 其实一句就够了, 但是又不知道该安排在哪里好.

davidjackyUID: 135962

这篇文章顶起来，大家可以先改改，思路有些不太一样。

so猫UID: 148633

G猫猫
我等你考完了再来帮你看行不?
我现在太郁闷了~~~~
你把这个放签名挡里 我21号中午就过来改~~~~
a promise is a promise

G猫UID: 192988

嗯，so猫猫真好，你好好考试吧，我不急的，还早还早。
加油加油！！！！！！！！！

sblbaslerUID: 175229

占个座，中午上完课回来就改！

bcomerUID: 182621

提示：
片名叫 The shawshank redemption
Shawshank is a name of a prison.
建议你没看过就看一遍，看过了就再看一遍

sblbaslerUID: 175229

Artists, or critics, who give the society something of lasting value？
This question is pushing us to another question: "what is lasting value" something of lasting makes contribution to the society and our human beings which will not fade with the [U]passage[/U]  [B][这个词用的值得商榷，觉得用pass好一些吧][/B] of time. like truth, whenever we human beings discover it, it helps us to judge, to conquer the nature ; like master pieces, they make us known that what is beauty and teach us about the world and the society; like architectures, they do not only serve us as shelters, but also became the emblem of the history. in a word, lasting value is the benefit we gain now and forever.
[B]开头比较新颖，你应该也是把问题放在lasting value上吧。但truth这个问题我觉得有点争议，如果说你后面举的那些什么艺术呀，建筑呀都还可以的话，真理我觉得好象往往还变化多一些，今天被看做真理的明天就不一定是，我知道你说的是那种永恒的，但最好限定一下。[/B]
In view of the great number of art pieces that artist have [U]contributed to [/U]  [B][有个性][/B] us, almost no one would deny the status of artists. Their creations entertain us [U]emotionally and spiritually[/U][B][似乎是一个范畴的吧][/B]  . when we go to the Vermeer's exhibition, we feel the beauty that Vermeer conveys to us; when we are in front of the marvelous work of Monet's Sunrise, we can feel ourselves bathing in the cozy sunlight of the morning sun; when we are shocked by the character Shawshank's successful escaping, there is a feeling of sheer admiration for his persistence arousing in us. I can never count the [U]enormous[/U]  [B][觉得用countless似乎更有味道一些][/B] great experiences that art endow to us. Artists are really the [U]persons[/U] [B]？？？[/B]  who render us lasting value. And...
What about critics, are they really the "the drones in the learned world, devour the honey, but never work" Despite an artist may complain like that, one should not claim unequivocally that critics are of no worth to the society. Some people may argue, we do not need critics, for the teachers can assume the role that informs us with the back ground knowledge of certain art piece. Have you ever thought that is there any teacher who is more professional than the critics? It is a society of detailed 社会分工, even the critics are specialized in specific genre. If we put this task on teachers' shoulder, don't you think it's too much?
[B]前面的排比不错，和我的“风格”差不多，但后面的teacher的论述总觉得有点不是很信服，好象和评论家还差一点。[/B]
Other people may speak for the Shakespeare and Beethoven, who had been dismissed by their contemporary critics. This is true, but one cannot conclude that [U]our body is white and hard just by a glance of the na[/U] il.[B][用到了范文中的句子不错呀][/B]  We never know that because of critics, how many great work of "lasting value" are merged, but we could easily know that how many great artists and master pieces are discovered by critics. There’s so many. If not for the critics, it is unlikely for us to appreciate the "sunflower "of Von Gogh. In a word, without critics, there are no such art pieces of lasting value. [B]就这个几个例子就武断的说评论家的重要性，似乎有点不是很有说服力[/B]
When we think that critics can give some constructive suggestions to the artists, some people will disagree. For they think that art is a kind of authentic passion of the artists, if they listen to the critics to improve their work, this is not real art. In fact, art is not such simple thing as expressing feelings. The key is, this feeling should can be also evoked in the audience. Besides creativity, the artists should know the truth lies behind any great work. And this truth can be drawn from the critics. The building of creativity is no summit, but it should build on the foundation of tools, skills and some principles, which artists can get from critics.
[B]这一段是你在说理，而且说的不是大家公认的道理，但却没有事实，我的这篇文章中有一段也出现过这种情况，我解决的也不好[/B]
To sum up, any words to depreciate the contribution of critics is unwise. We should pay equal admiration and respect to both the artist and the critics. If not for them, we can not have such a brilliant culture today.

[B]总的来说语言不错，观点比较新颖，但论述时可能因为这种观点的例子也比较少所以缺乏说服力。加油！[/B]

G猫UID: 192988

最初由 bcomer 发布
[B]提示：
片名叫 The shawshank redemption
Shawshank is a name of a prison.
建议你没看过就看一遍，看过了就再看一遍 [/B]

呵呵，谢谢你哦，我高三的时候看过一遍，大三的时候看过一遍。这个是从别人作文里看到的，自己也没多想，谢谢你提醒。