issue130 社会命运与社会化和孩子培养 看看我是否跑题了，必回拍

xiongyicnUID: 192745

不知道对题目的把握是否准确，不知道是否跑题了，希望大家都来讨论一下
130. "How children are socialized today determines the destiny of society. Unfortunately, we have not yet learned how to raise children who can help bring about a better society."

MW:socialize: to make social,especially: to fit or train for a social environment.



It is undoubted that, one without any socialization is very difficult or even impossible to live in the society and follow its culture very well. However, it is not only over-statement that how children are socialized today determines the destiny of society, but also over stressing the function of socialization could impede the advance and innovation of society. But fortunately, we have realized that how to raise children who can help bring about a better society, which is contrary with the assertion.

To begin with, admittedly, socialization for children is necessary and also we have been following it throughout the recorded history. One needs to look no further than the contrary of the statement that socialization is essential. Human infants are born without any culture and social skills. If without any socialization, the infant is always an infant except for his age. He don't know the language of his society; he cannot communicate with others; he has no idea of his social culture; he cannot live well in the society. It is only a man is socialized by his parents, teachers and others more or less into social and cultural animals that can he live and thrive in the society. Indeed, we are fulfilling this duty with our informal or formal education. For instance, from children (say girls) born on, they would learn how to be daughters, sisters, friends, wives, and mothers from their parents, their teachers and the society. They would also learn about the culture, the useful skills, the essential virtues for the society, say a democratic society, which includes responsibility, tolerance, respect and so on, from school or family.

However, the destiny of society doesn't fully depend on the socialization of children since full socialization of every person would even result that no one innovate the society through some creative theories and minds, which are the very key of society advance. We would believe this when we simply refer to the history. If Copernicus was socialized into social culture and value of his times, there would be no heliocentric system, which was regarded as heresy in his times; if Galileo was socialized into social culture of his times, namely Aristotelianism, there would be no that great well-known experiment, dropping two objects of different weight simultaneously from the Leaning Tower of Pisa, and perhaps we are believing that the speed of fall is proportional to the weight; if Bruno was socialized fully, there would no that Bruno who are known for his braveness and adherence to truth. If all girls were socialized into the value that women were inferior to men in middle ages, there would no feminists and the recent value that men and women are equal. Likewise, we look at the opposite side example. In the 1930s German, it was socialization, which is also Nazification, that leaded to the World War Two. Shortly, there would no questioning and criticizing, which is the very engine of society advance, if the children are socialized fully.

But fortunately, we have realized that the significance of questioning, criticizing, innovation, creativity for a better society and raised children following it recently. All the parents encourage their children to ask "why" as soon as get any information. From the preliminary education, to the college education, every student is taught to question the solutions to exercises, their teachers and even their textbooks. In the school, the scores are not valued as something essential any more, and the creativity and innovation are worshiped.

All in all, socialization is necessary for living in the society but not the first-rate important factor of the destiny of society. We have been struggling for the way in which we raise children who can help bring about a better society. Furthermore, the destiny of society is such a complicated issue, which is worthy of all human beings' devotion of intelligence and energy.

foreverlovesUID: 166930

这道题够绕的,B1问题不大,B2就是觉得难道举的那几个例子是说那些牛人之所以牛是socialize  不好的缘故吗,这个好奇怪啊

另外语言上有些问题, advance 是不是改成advancement 呢,但是我查advance 也有名词的意思

总之我还是不理解socialize什么意思,难啊

chrisyUID: 160364

第二段   the recorded history  表达地道吗 我不太肯定 楼主再斟酌一下吧

同意楼上 个人觉得第三段问题比较大
楼主对SOCIALIZE的把握有点偏颇  具的几个例子我觉得比较有问题
你想表达的意思应该是他们的成功是由于不受社会传统观念的束缚 但这并不等于他们不社会化  有点偷换概念了

最好再斟酌一下 个人意见望参考:)

dragonflyljUID: 185331

第一感觉。。BUT用的太多。
socialize  应该是 使融入社会的，比如学会合作，交往之类的意思。
但是我总觉得这题的重点应该在后半句。。。一个unfortunately很容易把重点拉到后半句

龙非UID: 193190

1）立论是两个都驳，且从论点看没有分轻重，但是显然两部分的比例失调，后半段“But fortunately, we have realized that how to raise children who can help bring about a better society,”着墨不多，结构失衡
2）B1让步段讲socilization的作用，很长，而B3很短，更显得论证无力
3）

full socialization of every person would even result that no one innovate the society through some creative theories and minds

这个分论点本身跟论点就有点偏，论点是否定how to socialize不能决定destiny of society,而分论点讲full socialization会导致no one innovate the society。接下来，连举几个例子，手法不错，有点6分的feel。可惜例子跟分论点不是很配套。几个大牛的成就是因为他们没有full socialization吗？例子讲的是不被传统束缚，full socialization就是被传统束缚吗？full socialization究竟是什么呢？

这道题真的很难，关键是socialize的理解，根据题意，我宁愿避开怎样去定义socialize这个复杂的问题，而是将how to socialize 和how to raise划个等号，重点去谈是否not yet learned how to。

一家之言，欢迎指正，共勉之

hjhjhj1984UID: 160270

看你的B2
我觉得你没有完全把握socialization
不能说我社会化成为什么,或者社会化进什么东西
我就是学社会学的
社会化在我们专业书上的解释是个体从生物人成长为社会人的过程
所以B2我觉得要大改哦


一家之言,请各位不吝赐教

xiongyicnUID: 192745

谢谢大家的意见！我对socialization 的理解主要是基于网友提供的一段材料和MW的解释，并且在我这篇issue里把社会化主要等同的社会的价值观和文化，我的立论观点是：孩子如何被社会化不但不能决定社会的命运，反而完全的社会化可能阻碍社会的发展。对于“孩子如何被社会化不但不能决定社会命运”感觉没有怎么论证，主要在论证“完全社会化可能阻碍社会的发展”上去了。并且对于“we have not yet learned how to raise children who can help bring about a better society." 的论证也不充分，不知道如何去展开。希望大家再好好讨论一下这个题目。

以下是一个网友提供的socialization 的一点资料


Human infants are born without any culture. They must be transformed by their parents, teachers, and others into social and cultural animals. The general process of acquiring culture is referred to as socialization . During socialization, we learn the language of the culture we are born into as well as the roles we are to play in life. For instance, girls learn how to be daughters, sisters, friends, wives, and mothers. In addition, they learn about the occupational roles that their society allows them. We also learn and usually adopt our culture's norms through the socialization process. Norms are the conceptions of appropriate and expected behavior that are held by most members of the society. While socialization refers to the general process of acquiring culture, anthropologists use the term enculturation for the process of being socialized to a particular culture. You were enculturated to your specific culture by your parents and the other people who raised you.

Socialization is important in the process of personality formation. While much of human personality is the result of our genes, the socialization process can mold it in particular directions by encouraging specific beliefs and attitudes as well as selectively providing experiences. This very likely accounts for much of the difference between the common personality types in one society in comparison to another. For instance, the Semai tribesmen of the central Malay Peninsula of Malaysia typically are gentle people who do not like violent, aggressive individuals. In fact, they avoid them whenever possible. In contrast, the Yanomamö Indians of the border area between Venezuela and Brazil usually train their boys to be tough and even aggressive. The ideal Yanomamö man does not shrink from violence and strong emotions. In fact, he seeks them out. Likewise, Shiite Muslim men of Iran are expected at times to publicly express their religious faith through the emotionally powerful act of self-inflicted pain.

龙非UID: 193190

这段材料以前见过，对socialization的定义也没有问题，但是full socialization是否是你自创的概念捏:D，个人觉得这个“full socialization”需要推敲一下，何谓“full socialization”？

bigdouUID: 193522

不是很理解hjhjhj1984指的个体从生物人成长为社会人的过程
是什么意思，能否具体说明？
我在一篇文章上见到这样一句话：人的社会化内容要求个人学习掌握基本的生活知识和劳动技能。是否可这样理解

hjhjhj1984UID: 160270

恩,可以这么说吧
把<<社会心理学>>翻出来了
给你摘录点吧:

  社会化是个体通过与社会的交互作用,适应并吸收社会的文化,成为一个合格的社会成员的过程      (注意是过程,不是什么素质,品质,道德什么的)

个体的社会化是一个持续终身的过程(所以不能说我社会化成一个什么了,也不能说完全社会化成什么了,比如贪官,我能社会化成贪官吗,贪官也要接着社会化,如果他被逮,就要进行再社会化了哦)

从内容上分为政治社会化,道德社会化, 人格社会化,性别社会化,民族社会化,法律社会化
从类型上可分为:基本社会化,预期社会化(知识和技能的学习),发展社会化,再社会化,反社会化