Issue110 第一次直接在电脑上写，初次尝试历史类必有诸多不足，恳请大家指教！回

staralwaysUID: 193479

“When we concern ourselves with the study of history, we become storyteller. Because we can never know the past directly but must construct it by interpreting evidence, exploring history is more of a creative enterprise than it is an objective pursuit. All historians are storytellers.”
提纲：反对
1>        我们要想了解历史，就必须去通过发现和理解历史遗迹来实现。正如题目中所陈述的，我们无法回到过去，我们所有对过去的认识都是建立在理解历史的基础上。如地球的形成，生物的演化，都是通过化石、地质地貌等来了解的。
2>        发现和探索历史必须是一个尊重历史，本着符合客观实际精神的过程，而不是一个创造的过程。过去的事情之所以被称为历史，是因为它是客观发生的，不会随着人的意识而改变。正因为如此，我们必须以客观实际的角度出发，有些人弄虚作假的行为应该受到谴责。
3>        历史学家并不是讲故事者。他们力求的是通过科技手段，以正确的态度把历史真实地再现给人们。
4>        不可否认，由于各种各样的背景原因，我们的理解也有可能与事实出入较大。

What do historians show to us, story or fact? Some may argue that, like the statement above, they are storyteller since they demonstrate history through the way they interpret historical evidence rather than experience the past directly, and because of this, exploring history is a creative activity. However, careful reflection shows us that the opposite is just the case.

When it comes for us to find history, we must or have to reach this goal through finding historical evidences and interpreting them later. Admittedly, we can never know the past directly. But acknowledging this dose not necessarily mean that we cannot have a objective view of our history. Take the formation of the Earth as an example. How dose it become the beautiful home to the human being today from the extremely hot cosmic substances? Tens of thousands evidence about biological fossils, geological and geographical characteristics of the land and ocean teach us that it is the result of volcanic and geological movements, together with changes in the climate and evolution of creatures. Without these historical evidences, there’s no way for us to find the path through which we come to present. As it says in the statement above, we learn history on the basis of historical evidences. But it cannot be the reason that we are storytellers. On the contrary, this is the very reason that we cannot be storytellers.

Moreover, exploring history is more of an objective pursuit, rather than a creative enterprise. Being objective is the first and most important position we must hold in the way we probe history. The very reason the past is termed as history is that it actually happened, objectively, which cannot be denied or changed by human mind. For example, that the human beings evolved from monkeys, an event which went forward along the steps of history, which none will deny. We cannot expect someone jump out to say the fact is that we evolved from other creatures, frogs perhaps, for we know what the history shows us is the very correct one. Based on this understanding, we must stand firmly to be objective in exploring the history because only through this we can find the very truth of the history. The phenomena that someone tries to distort the history, for example, scrabble irrelevant pieces of fossil into a new one as an evidence of history event, should be regarded as an offensive to the very spirit to be objective.

In addition, those historians are not storytellers. What they are pursuing is try their best to represent the history in front of people, starting out from the point to be objective and using technological methods and equipments. It is an essential requirement for anyone to be a historian. If anyone says that it is Japan the victim in the World War Ⅱ, we can only expect him to be a cheater who is trying to distort the fact it is Japan who provoked such a serious humanity crisis, but not a historian. Finding the objective truth is the ultimate goal of those historians, which just cannot let them to be storytellers.

Admittedly, due to various backgrounds and subject to the ability and level to cognize the history, there can be some occasions when our findings are far away from the right path, even the opposite.

In sum, when we concern with the study of history, what we are trying is to show the truth of history to people objectively, rather than telling stories. Though some faults have occurred, which give the illusion that the historians are all storytellers, actually they are not. Exploring history is an objective pursuit, but not a creative enterprise, since being objective is the very footstone of historian research, as well for the historians.

感觉思路很不连贯，各自作战，写了一个小时多点的时间。
时间还是很长，而且写的时候由于尽量想快一点，例子也没有好好想，又是第一次写的历史类，肯定有很多毛病，各位战友不要客气尽量指出毛病啊！谢谢了！

还有，objective有没有其他的意近词啊，通篇都用的这个感觉很不舒服。

kkytUID: 188814

你第一次在电脑写?,偶认为应该多在电脑练啊,第一次写一个小时很不错了偶现在都第十篇了,还要50分钟多~~~~~

staralwaysUID: 193479

最初由 kkyt 发布
[B]你第一次在电脑写?,偶认为应该多在电脑练啊,第一次写一个小时很不错了偶现在都第十篇了,还要50分钟多~~~~~ [/B]

恩，因为刚开始写的时候想先不急于限制时间之类的，先把文章结构、逻辑和内容试着提高点，因为上机了就肯定要大折扣了啊。我也写了有10篇了啊，速度还是很慢，所以我决定慢慢地要转到电脑上来了。50分钟多已经接近了目标了呢，再练习一段时间相信限时应该是没有问题了。

kkytUID: 188814

Issue110
“When we concern ourselves with the study of history, we become storyteller. Because we can never know the past directly but must construct it by interpreting evidence, exploring history is more of a creative enterprise than it is an objective pursuit. All historians are storytellers.”
当我们通过研究历史来考虑自身问题的时候，我们就会变成说故事的人。因为我们不可能直接了解过去，只有通过解释一些史料来构造历史，所以探索历史更多是一件创造性的事业而不是客观的追寻。所有的历史学家都是讲故事的人。
提纲：反对
1> 我们要想了解历史，就必须去通过发现和理解历史遗迹来实现。正如题目中所陈述的，我们无法回到过去，我们所有对过去的认识都是建立在理解历史的基础上。如地球的形成，生物的演化，都是通过化石、地质地貌等来了解的。
2> 发现和探索历史必须是一个尊重历史，本着符合客观实际精神的过程，而不是一个创造的过程。过去的事情之所以被称为历史，是因为它是客观发生的，不会随着人的意识而改变。正因为如此，我们必须以客观实际的角度出发，有些人弄虚作假的行为应该受到谴责。
3> 历史学家并不是讲故事者。他们力求的是通过科技手段，以正确的态度把历史真实地再现给人们。
4> 不可否认，由于各种各样的背景原因，我们的理解也有可能与事实出入较大。

What do historians show to us, story or fact? Some may argue that, like the statement above, they are storyteller since they demonstrate history through the way they interpret historical evidence rather than experience the past directly, and because of this, exploring history is a creative activity. However, careful reflection shows us that the opposite is just the case.[最好明确提出你的观点，再说你是大反对，小支持，应该有让步吧]

When it comes for us to find history, we must or have to reach this goal through finding historical evidences[relic] and interpreting them later[加一句才能是逻辑顺畅，充当主题句的作用。rather than fabricating without depending on any facts]. Admittedly, we can never know the past directly. But acknowledging this dose [does] not necessarily mean that we cannot have a [an] objective view of our history. Take the formation of the Earth as an example. How dose it become the beautiful home to the human being today from the extremely hot cosmic substances? Tens of thousands evidence about biological fossils, geological and geographical characteristics of the land and ocean teach us that it is the result of volcanic and geological movements, together with changes in the climate and evolution of creatures. Without these historical evidences, there’s no way for us to find the path through which we come to present. As it says in the statement above, we learn history on the basis of historical evidences. But it cannot be the reason that we are storytellers. On the contrary, this is the very reason that we cannot be storytellers.


Moreover, exploring history is more of an objective pursuit, rather than a creative enterprise. Being objective is the first and most important position we must hold in the way we probe history. The very reason [同位语从句不可省that]  the past is termed [defined]as history is that it actually happened, objectively, which cannot be denied or changed by human mind. [For example, that the human beings evolved from monkeys, an event which went forward along the steps of history, which none will deny. We cannot expect someone jump out to say the fact is that we evolved from other creatures, frogs perhaps, for we know what the history shows us is the very correct one][偶觉的这个例子不好，这是历史么？可以举任何一个历史事件啊，比如埃及金字塔等]. Based on this understanding, we must stand firmly to be objective in exploring the history because only through this we can find the very truth of the history. [The phenomena that someone tries to distort the history, for example, scrabble irrelevant pieces of fossil into a new one as an evidence of history event, should be regarded as an offensive to the very spirit to be objective.这几句放者不好，放在让步里吧]

In addition, those historians are not storytellers.[你的第一段不是论证了么？On the contrary, this is the very reason that we cannot be storytellers.
] What they are pursuing is [to]try their best to represent the history in front of people, starting out from the point to be objective and using technological methods and equipments. It is an essential requirement for anyone to be a historian. If anyone says that it is Japan the victim in the World War Ⅱ, we can only expect him to be a cheater who is trying to distort the fact it is Japan who provoked such a serious humanity crisis, but not a historian[涉及敏感问题，最好不要举，日本民众也是victim可以举德国Hitler or Iraq Saddam]. Finding the objective truth is the ultimate goal of those historians, which just cannot let them to be storytellers.

Admittedly, due to various backgrounds and subject[是动词]to the ability and level to cognize the history, there can be some occasions when our findings are far away from the right path, even the opposite. [这段论证不足啊]

In sum, when we concern with the study of history, what we are trying is to show the truth of history to people objectively, rather than telling stories. Though some faults have occurred, which give the illusion that the historians are all storytellers, actually they are not. Exploring history is an objective pursuit, but not a creative enterprise, since being objective is the very footstone of historian research, as well for the historians.
[客观的就是不带感情的 dispassionate  unbiased]
[总的来说，文章语言不错，逻辑性上还待提高，不过因为你是第一篇么，对吧，加油。偶觉得你基础很好]

staralwaysUID: 193479

1、[最好明确提出你的观点，再说你是大反对，小支持，应该有让步吧]呵呵，这道题目因为开头段的前一部分已经对题目有所阐述了，所以后面表示观点的时候就想用opposite直接带过了。关于立场的问题，我的本意是全反对，让步是对我自己的让步而不是对题目的让步，可能这样并不是很恰当，再斟酌一下。

2、[偶觉的这个例子不好，这是历史么？可以举任何一个历史事件啊，比如埃及金字塔等]呵呵，这个当然是历史了，人类进化、发展的历史。当然我自己写的时候也觉得不太合适，看到你说的历史事件，我想可以写一件被歪曲、没有从客观实际出发的历史事件可能会更有说服力。

3、[这几句放者不好，放在让步里吧]恩，应该放到后面去，这样让步那段也不会显得单薄了。

4、[你的第一段不是论证了么？On the contrary, this is the very reason that we cannot be storytellers.]的确有雷同的感觉。主要是我破题列提纲的时候，是针对题目中的每一句话来的。第一句是we become storyteller，可能作者说的是我们自己在学习历史的时候会变成storyteller；然后最后看到all historians are storytellers，心想这么武断一定要狠批下。可能把文章段落重新再组织下，会显得简练点。