issue36 [color=#ff009a]同主题写作 思路有点混乱 =口=|||

朽木白哉UID: 195804

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Issue36
The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries.

部分同意部分反对
1．        有部分人做出的贡献可能是无形的抽象的 不能被立即运用 可能被同时代的人忽略
2．        在不同的时代条件下 人们对一些贡献的有不同的态度。有的就可以被同时代的人认可.
3．        有的人虽然生前被认可，但死后得到的认可更多。
所以不是同时代的人或者后人单独决定的。 伟大的 不管谁来决定都伟大
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In the course of human events, we always face the questions that who evaluate a historical figure’s contributions and greatness and do the final judge of his or her lasting value. The statement claims that only those who live after them could decide them. Admittedly, in some certain conditions, individual’s contributions could be decided by their contemporaries. But in most time, these are judged by both the followers and their generations.

The contributions of the people, which are intangible or could not be used immediately, might be ignored by the contemporaries. For instance, in the scientific areas, scientific findings are always abstract, or against the wide-accepted norm and dogma. That makes few people could understand. These theories, hypothesis or inventions faced up to the doubt and suspicion, until they are tested time and time again to be recognized by the followers. Bruno and Galilei，who insisted the theory of Copernicus—sun is the center of the universe instead of earth, were not recognized after the followers found the truth. It is same as some artists, such as Van Gush. His creative paintings made the contemporaries impossible to appreciate. It is offspring who found the value of their contributions recognized them as significant.

Circumstances make heroes. Different conditions make the different attitudes to individuals’ contributions and value. Most of the businessmen are more fortunate than those scientists. In business arena, the value is tested by the profits and the benefit of the investment and the stuff. The achievement and progress could be showed immediately. When the business leaders make the companies met the companies’ goals, completed companies’ missions, and met the respect of the industries and society, no one could deny the greatness of them. Bill Gates, one of the most successful businessmen in the world, brings Microsoft to the top of the industry and contributes to the progress of the whole society. Moreover, we could find some examples in the field of art as well. Hemingway’s cutting a strong figure of the old man won him the Nobel Prize, made him become the successful man.

What we called classical is the one that not only accepted and appreciated by the contemporaries, but also recognized by the continuous generations. Classical contributions could be tested by time. There were also some historical figures that got more appreciate by those who live after them than by their contemporaries. Take A. Einstein as the case of point. His quantum theory which could be only understood by few people in his contemporaries is widely appreciated and used in nowadays. So is Beethoven. He suffered from the broken family and disease, and was only accepted by some musicians and nobles in his life. After the creation of Symphony 9 "Choral", he died within loneliness. Now he is treated like the artist as hero. All his music is recognized by the people.

To sum up, neither the contemporaries nor those who live after them could judge the value of an individual alone. The real greatness must be great whether they are recognized by the contemporaries or those who live after them or not.

〓 谢谢 〓 =w=

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以下是被在美国工作的JJ改过的  也指出了我的逻辑混乱
而且在语言上也改了很多不地道的用法   =口=||||

有兴趣的话 可以看一下~~

so猫UID: 148633

楼主
发帖的格式看了吗
标题格式
issue和36中间不要有空格

楼主下次发帖请注意 谢谢

alex_hustUID: 197601

占座，晚上再贴上来

ivyshoulUID: 195537

亲爱的等我明天写了再来看:)
这两天成都天气好得不象话,每天都是好好的阳光哦!
我们继续...加油...

davidjackyUID: 135962

------题目------
Issue36
The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries.

部分同意部分反对
1． 有部分人做出的贡献可能是无形的抽象的 不能被立即运用 可能被同时代的人忽略
2． 在不同的时代条件下 人们对一些贡献的有不同的态度。有的就可以被同时代的人认可.
3． 有的人虽然生前被认可，但死后得到的认可更多。
所以不是同时代的人或者后人单独决定的。 伟大的 不管谁来决定都伟大
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In the course of human events, we always face the questions that who evaluate a historical figure’s contributions and greatness and do the final judge of his or her lasting value. The statement claims that only those who live after them could decide them不是them而是their greatness. Admittedly, in some certain conditions, individual’s contributions could be decided by their contemporaries. But in most time, these are judged by both the followers and their generations.部分同意，部分反对

The contributions of the people, which are intangible or could not be used immediately, might be ignored by the contemporaries. For instance, in the scientific areas, scientific findings are always abstract, or against the wide-accepted norm and dogma. That makes few people could understandscientific theories, for most of ordinary people, are always too abstract to be comprehended. These theories, hypothesis or inventions faced up to the doubt and suspicion, until they are tested time and time again to be recognized by the followersit is not until these great theories, hypotheses, and explanations proved by time that most of people can stop doubting, suspending, or objecting them. Bruno and Galilei，who insisted the theory of Copernicus—sun is the center of the universe instead of earth, were not recognized after the followers found the truth. It is same as?? some artists, such as Van Gush. His creative paintings made the contemporaries impossible to appreciate. It is offspring who found the value of their contributions recognized them as significant.这段讲为什么当代人不能评判伟人事迹，用了布鲁诺和伽利略同学的例子，说明科学领域深奥难懂，后面说画家的例子，但是最好对他的画多些描述，比如说抽象之类的，creative的东西不见得不能立刻被接受吧，说服力不够

环境造就英雄，不同的情况对伟人的评价不同，举了Bill先生的例子和海明威同学的例子，写成不同的领域更能接受一些
Circumstances make heroes. Different conditions make the different attitudes to individuals’ contributions and value. Most of the businessmen are more fortunate than those scientists. In business arena, the value is tested by the profits and the benefit of the investment and the stuff. The achievement and progress could be showed immediately. When the business leaders make the companies met the companies’ goals, completed companies’ missions, and met the respect of the industries and society, no one could deny the greatness of them. Bill Gates, one of the most successful businessmen in the world, brings Microsoft to the top of the industry and contributes to the progress of the whole society. Moreover, we could find some examples in the field of art as well. Hemingway’s cutting a strong figure of the old man won him the Nobel Prize, made him become the successful man.

经典的东西不仅被当代人接受和理解并且也子孙流传。
What we called classical is the one that not only accepted and appreciated by the contemporaries, but also recognized by the continuous generations. Classical contributions could be tested by time. There were also some historical figures that got more appreciate by those who live after them than by their contemporaries. Take A. Einstein as the case of point. His quantum theory which could be only understood by few people in his contemporaries is widely appreciated and used in nowadays. So is Beethoven. He suffered from the broken family and disease, and was only accepted by some musicians and nobles in his life. After the creation of Symphony 9 "Choral", he died within loneliness. Now he is treated like the artist as hero. All his music is recognized by the people. 也不见得是这样

To sum up, neither the contemporaries nor those who live after them could judge the value of an individual alone. The real greatness must be great whether they are recognized by the contemporaries or those who live after them or not.

得出的结论是有背于你的论述的，可能很多人支持你这样的升华，但是你的文章不用到这个地步，事实上，你也没有论述到这个程度，希望你三思。句子写的还行，继续加油

朽木白哉UID: 195804

最初由 ivyshoul 发布
[B]亲爱的等我明天写了再来看:)
这两天成都天气好得不象话,每天都是好好的阳光哦!
我们继续...加油... [/B]

恩恩~
谢谢亲~

狂想出去踏青啊~~~ [飙泪~~]
.....T口T......

朽木白哉UID: 195804

谢谢jacky大~

我想问一下~
1. B2写成不同领域是 只写一个领域 还是要我说清楚bill是一个领域 hemingway又是一个领域？
2. B3 是不是Beethoven.的例子不合适啊？
3.  最后的结论 是不是 就回归到部分赞同部分反对上面 就ok了？

谢谢大人！~~~~~

davidjackyUID: 135962

最初由 朽木白哉 发布
[B]1. B2写成不同领域是 只写一个领域 还是要我说清楚bill是一个领域 hemingway又是一个领域？
[/B]

抱歉是我没有说清楚，我是说因为你第一段已经写了这么科学界，而第二段又非和它比，那么应该是分领域的行文，但是很显然你本意不是写成这样子，所以第二段你干脆不要和上面比较。而且你说时代造英雄是个什么意思，文章要求谁来评价的问题

最初由 朽木白哉 发布
[B]2. 最后的结论 是不是 就回归到部分赞同部分反?.
[/B]

第一句就可以，然后扩展一下就可以

朽木白哉UID: 195804

最初由 davidjacky 发布
[B]抱歉是我没有说清楚，我是说因为你第一段已经写了这么科学界，而第二段又非和它比，那么应该是分领域的行文，但是很显然你本意不是写成这样子，所以第二段你干脆不要和上面比较。而且你说时代造英雄是个什么意思，文章要求谁来评价的问题
[/B]

是不是说 最好就分领域写
B1：有些不能被同时代人接受 举例：科学界的
B2：有些能被同时代接受 举例：文化 艺术的
B3：有些被同时代接受了 但受到后代的肯定更多 举例： 都有。。

还是说
B1：科学界 有的被同时代的接受 有的不接受
B2：文化 艺术界   有的被同时代的接受 有的不接受


“时代造英雄”的那个 我删掉好了

对不起 我笨的 T///T  谢谢老大~！

PS. 散文写太多 以至于逻辑如此混乱 说的乱七八糟。 =[]=|||

davidjackyUID: 135962

最初由 朽木白哉 发布
[B][QUOTE]最初由 davidjacky 发布
[B]抱歉是我没有说清楚，我是说因为你第一段已经写了这么科学界，而第二段又非和它比，那么应该是分领域的行文，但是很显然你本意?.

以下省略...... [/B]

你可把你的思想放到同主题写作第二期那个精华贴后面，按照我的格式发贴，并征求大家意见，人多自然就容易解决，我个人以前是分领域讨论的，而且我选的范文也是，所以我觉得那么写相对简单，不是吗？但是一定要分析透彻，好好研究一下，讨论到此

朽木白哉UID: 195804

谢谢大~
我去报道先~

caudilloUID: 172911

In the course of human events, we always face the questions that who evaluate a historical figure’s contributions and greatness and do the final judgejudgement of his or her lasting value. The statement claims that only those who live after them could decide them. Admittedly, in some certain conditions, individual’s contributions could be decided by their contemporaries. But in most time, these are judged by both the followers and their generations这句看不太懂，感觉怪怪的.

The contributions of the people, which are intangible or could not be used immediately, might be ignored by the contemporaries. For instance, in the scientific areas用fields可能更好, scientific findings are always abstract, or against the wide-accepted norm and dogma. That makes few people could understand. These theories, hypothesis or inventions faced up to the doubt and suspicion, until they are tested time and time again to be recognized by the followers. Bruno and Galilei，who insisted the theory of Copernicus—sun is the center of the universe instead of but notearth, were not recognized after the followers found the truth. It is thesame as some artists, such as Van Gush. His creative paintings made the contemporaries impossible to appreciate两句可以并成一定语从句. It is offspring who found the value of their contributions recognized them as significant.

Circumstances make heroes. Different conditions make the different attitudes to individuals’ contributions and value. Most of the businessmen are more fortunate than those scientists. In business arena, the value is tested by the profits and the benefit of the investment and the stuff. The achievement and progress could be showed immediately. When the business leaders make the companies met the companies’ goals, completed companies’ missions, and met the respect of the industries and society, no one could deny the greatness of them. Bill Gates, one of the most successful businessmen in the world, brings Microsoft to the top of the industry companyand contributes to the progress of the whole society. Moreover, we could find some examples in the field of art as well. Hemingway’s cutting a strong figure of the old man won him the Nobel Prize, made him become the successful man.过渡不太自然

What we called classical is the one that not only accepted and appreciated by the contemporaries, but also recognized by the continuous generations. Classical contributions could be tested by time. There were also some historical figures that got more appreciate by those who live after them than by their contemporaries. Take A. Einstein as the case of point. His quantum theory 用错啦，genreal and special relativity， which could be only understood by few people in his contemporaries is widely appreciated and used in nowadays. So is Beethoven. He suffered from the broken family and disease, and was only accepted by some musicians and nobles in his life好像也不太合事实. After the creation of Symphony 9 "Choral", he died within loneliness. Now he is treated like the artist as hero. All his music is recognized by the people.

To sum up, neither the contemporaries nor those who live after them could judge the value of an individual alone. The real greatness must be great whether they are recognized by the contemporaries or those who live after them or not.


https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=253114

ivyshoulUID: 195537

In the course of human events, we always face the questions that who evaluate a historical figure’s contributions and greatness and do the final judge of his or her lasting value. The statement claims that only those who live after them could decide them(their greatness). Admittedly, in some certain conditions, individual’s contributions could be decided by their contemporaries. But in most time, these are judged by both the followers and their generations.

The contributions of the people, which are intangible or could not be used immediately, might be ignored by the contemporaries. For instance, in the scientific areas, scientific findings are always abstract, or against the wide-accepted norm and dogma. That makes few people could understand. (这句好别扭,用so...that...之类的比较清楚?)These theories, hypothesis or inventions faced up to the doubt and suspicion, until they are tested time and time again to be recognized by the followers. Bruno and Galilei，who insisted the theory of Copernicus—sun is the center of the universe instead of earth, were not recognized after the followers found the truth. It is same as some artists, such as Van Gush. His creative paintings made the contemporaries impossible to appreciate. It is offspring who found the value of their contributions recognized them(指代不清?) as significant.

Circumstances make heroes. Different conditions make the different attitudes to individuals’ contributions and value. Most of the businessmen are more fortunate than those scientists. In business arena, the value is tested by the profits and the benefit of the investment and the stuff. The achievement and progress could be showed immediately. When the business leaders make the companies met the companies’ goals, completed companies’ missions, and met the respect of the industries and society, no one could deny the greatness of them. Bill Gates, one of the most successful businessmen in the world, brings Microsoft to the top of the industry and contributes to the progress of the whole society. Moreover, we could find some examples in the field of art as well. Hemingway’s cutting a strong figure of the old man won him the Nobel Prize, made him become the successful man.

What we called classical is the one that not only accepted and appreciated by the contemporaries, but also recognized by the continuous generations. Classical contributions could be tested by time. There were also some historical figures that got more appreciate by those who live after them than by their contemporaries. Take A. Einstein as the case of point. His quantum theory which could be only understood by few people in his contemporaries is widely appreciated and used in nowadays. So is Beethoven. He suffered from the broken family and disease, and was only accepted by some musicians and nobles in his life. After the creation of Symphony 9 "Choral", he died within loneliness. Now he is treated like the artist as hero. All his music is recognized by the people.

To sum up, neither the contemporaries nor those who live after them could judge the value of an individual alone. The real greatness must be great whether they are recognized by the contemporaries or those who live after them or not.

思维有点跳跃啊,怎么说到结论的我没搞懂...
是说真正的greatness么经得起时间的考验,so当代人和后人都要一起來评价么?
那你的businessman的例子根本就和后来人无关嘛

朽木白哉UID: 195804

〓 谢谢 楼上的C 和ivy亲~ 〓
我的确写的糟 要好好改过~~~ =W=

ivyshoulUID: 195537

我...终于也挤了一篇issue36......
呼...啊....