Issue36 同主题写作 交晚了，这篇写了3遍了，希望有进步

chinhoiUID: 173262

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这篇issue36真是写得多灾多难，前两次写，都碰到没有保存的问题。第一次写到一半，按错了，幸好还找了回来。接着写不下去了，边改边写，才写了3段又出问题了，而且我又没保存。这次又只找回2段

但是2次都觉得写得很差，自己感觉非常不顺，而且觉得丝毫不比之前进步。
于是昨天窝在精华区看分析，看了一天
今天卷土重来，自己觉得比前两次写得好了，希望大家狠狠得拍，免得偶不知轻重。
当然还是没限时，还没有到能够限时的水平

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The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries.
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By the word "only", the speaker might have gone to extreme on the issue about whether the greatness of individuals can be decided by their contemporaries.  The greatness in itself is objective, whether people can be aware of it or not.  While the recognition of the greatness, which is a process of perception by human beings, is subjective.  Therefore, the judgment of greatness is dependent on people's ability of recognition.

Admittedly, truly profound scientists and creative artist are sometime out of step of the time and the world they live, therefore having a difficulty to make their achievements acceptable to the society.  They may have gone far beyond the bound of knowledge and aesthetic comprehension of their contemporaries.  The value of their achievements cannot be understood until the society has progressed to the same level they were.  In scientific area, Copernicus and Bruno are the perfect examples, whose discoveries were way too forward for their contemporaries to accept.  But now people regard their theories as breakthrough, since our society has gained enough knowledge to acknowledge this fact.  Same situation occurs in the field of arts.  Vincent van Gogh could hardly manage to sell his paintings to subsist, which are evaluated as the most valuable work of art nowadays.  Society just needs time to catch up these great individual's ideas to make a fair estimation.

However, this does mean that the society is always behind those great minds.  Lots of remarkable achievements are properly awarded when the great individuals are alive.  From Mark Twain to Da Vinci, Beethoven to Einstein, they are all highly honored in their lives.  Their works were no more out of the bound of comprehension of their contemporaries.  Even though the theory of relativity was still ahead of the time and hard to understand at first, it became widely accepted several years later and is considered one of the most significant physical discoveries in the twentieth century.  As long as the ability of recognition can keep pace with these great individuals, it is entirely possible for contemporaries to appreciate their achievements and objectively evaluate their greatness.

Besides, great individuals are not necessarily ahead of the time.  Those who can correctly predict the trend of the world and then make themselves the leaders of it are also successful and great.  Their greatness is usually well recognized by their contemporaries.  Take Bill Gates as the example.  He foresaw the prospect of applying computers to common family use and developed the Windows operating system, aiming at easy operation and entertainment.  The impact is immediate and obvious.  Regardless of the negative monopoly, everyone has to admit that he has actually propelled the progress of computer.  

To sum up, it is true that in many cases, the greatness of individuals are recognized by those who liver after them.  But the time span is only the surface phenomenon.  In nature, it is not time but the ability of recognition that decides the greatness of individuals.

山坡羊UID: 169978

By the word "only", the speaker might have gone to extreme on the issue about [regardless of 会不会好些]whether the greatness of individuals can be decided by their contemporaries. The greatness in[？我不知道需要删吗] itself is objective, whether people can be aware of it or not. While the recognition of the greatness, [while是从句吧]which is a process of perception by human beings, is subjective. Therefore, the judgment of greatness is dependent on people's ability of recognition.
[感觉前半段说当代能决定，后又说主客观，缺乏连接]
Admittedly, truly profound scientists and creative artist[artists] are sometime out of step of the time and the world [where]they live, therefore having a difficulty to make their achievements acceptable to the society. They may have gone far beyond the bound of knowledge and aesthetic comprehension of their contemporaries. The value of their achievements cannot be understood until the society has progressed to the same level they were. In scientific area, Copernicus and Bruno are the perfect examples, whose discoveries were way too forward for their contemporaries to accept. But now people regard their theories as breakthrough, since our society has gained enough knowledge to acknowledge this fact. Same situation occurs in the field of arts. Vincent van Gogh could hardly manage to sell his paintings to subsist, which are evaluated as the most valuable work[works] of art nowadays. Society just needs time to catch up these great individual's ideas to make a fair estimation.

However, this does [not?]mean that the society is always behind those great minds. Lots of remarkable achievements are properly awarded when the great individuals are alive. From Mark Twain to Da Vinci, Beethoven to Einstein, they are all highly honored in their lives. Their works were no more out of the bound of comprehension of their contemporaries. Even though the theory of relativity was still ahead of the time and hard to understand at first, it became widely accepted several years later and is considered one of the most significant physical discoveries in the twentieth century. As long as the ability of recognition can keep pace with these great individuals, it is entirely possible for contemporaries to appreciate their achievements and objectively evaluate their greatness.[这两段怎样拉开距离好呢？有点矛盾，你不如说上一段的例子是人们难以理解的结果，这一段是……我知道你明白，但说清楚更好]

Besides, great individuals are not necessarily ahead of the time. Those who can correctly predict the trend of the world and then make themselves the leaders of it are also successful and great. Their greatness is usually well recognized by their contemporaries. Take Bill Gates as the example. He foresaw the prospect of applying computers to common family use and developed the Windows operating system, aiming at easy operation and entertainment. The impact is immediate and obvious. Regardless of the negative monopoly, everyone has to admit that he has actually propelled the progress of computer.
[这一段有些偏题]
To sum up, it is true that in many cases, the greatness of individuals are recognized by those who liver after them. But the time span is only the surface phenomenon. In nature, it is not time but the ability of recognition that decides the greatness of individuals.[结尾挺好]
[提纲挺好，只是没有对应开头段主客观的，要不就不谈？还有倒数第二段有没有必要？]

chinhoiUID: 173262

最初由 山坡羊 发布
[B]感觉前半段说当代能决定，后又说主客观，缺乏连接]
以下省略...... [/B]

嗯，发现了，自己写的时候不觉得，思维跳跃了，我想想中间再加句什么

最初由 山坡羊 发布
[B][这两段怎样拉开距离好呢？有点矛盾，你不如说上一段的例子是人们难以理解的结果，这一段是……我知道你明白，但说清楚更好]
以下省略...... [/B]

我的本意是第二段写伟人的成就超越了社会的认知水平，所以没有被当时认可
第三段写社会的认知水平跟上了伟人的idea，所以能够承认其伟大

最初由 山坡羊 发布
[B[这一段有些偏题]
以下省略...... [/B]

而第四段想写有的人能够抓住时势，引导世界跟他的思路走，既然他控制了潮流，自然能够被认可了

当时顺着就想下来，现在才发现思路没有表达清楚，而且有跳跃
嗯，第四段真的要好好改改

to 山坡羊
我们似乎都有点偏题的倾向啊
菜鸟的共性？呵呵，或者这样说理性的比较难吧，相对case by case来说
但是写过case by case，事实上前2遍就是这样写的，又觉得例子不够多，不够贴切，同样写不好
而且我觉得在这个问题上，其实case之间的差异不是很大
老米的280范文我个人觉得不是很赞同的
虽然说issue只要能自圆其说就可以了，但总觉得连自己都说服不了，恐怕更难写了

山坡羊UID: 169978

看来我们的问题真的比较一样：）
你想得满深入的，但表达会很难……
我想，以后，还是，
都简单点吧。

不过280好多case by case 我依然不赞同……