Issue 138 同主题 互拍

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138. "Only through mistakes can there be discovery or progress."
失败是成功之母

Ever since the first "modern man" came to be, human beings never slow down their paces in seeking progress. No matter how many times we fell down, we kept going ahead and thus brought new eras one after another, such as the Renaissance, the industrial civilization, and the modern information society. In this way, the notion that "only through mistakes can there be discovery and progress" seems to be a certain conclusion; after all, to err is human. However, if we take it as a universally applicable truth, it would be not only false, but even dangerous as well.

First of all, is it impossible for human beings to make discovery or progress without any mistake? Thousand-year history has told us a million times that the answer is no. In fact, it would be quite interesting if we look into how discoveries were made in the past, for many of them were found out by all kinds of chance rather than mistakes. For example, Newton discovered the law of gravitation when inspired by a falling apple and Archimedes by the water that overflow, Darwin by the special species on a remote island. None of these necessarily and directly related to mistakes. It is true that any scientific discovery calls for a certain solid professional foundation, however, to well-prepared brains, some small details always tend to arouse inspirations rather than mistakes.

Furthermore, there are usually times when we make progress from our ancestors by complementing their ideas rather than finding out mistakes. In this sense, hardly can we regard the former theory has been denied, but rather a new way of observing things was developed while the old one still has its own value. In retrospect, the discussion about the function of literature will be a telling example. Wilder regarded literature should reflect art, while Hugo believed it should describe society, and Floyd proved it is the way writers express their subconsciousness. None of these should we simply judge right or wrong, because in certain sense, each one has its own reason. But put them together, we will gain an increasingly comprehensive and profound understanding of Literature.

Also，to many fields of study, often new technology or theory accomplishment can bring certain discovery or progress. Because they can provide more effective tools or brand new method for people to research, for instance, without computer widely used, there would not have been such great progress in many fields such as medicine，astrology, or geology. Its powerful ability to calculate and reprocess has lead to significant breakthroughs which can not be easily obtained by only human itself. In this case, mistake is not necessarily involved.

Admittedly, mistakes sometimes can lead to discovery or progress only if people have the ability to learn and then devote efforts to explore the right way, otherwise mistakes will only be mistakes. It is true that when we fail, we can learn what does not work, nevertheless, what does work is the real key to make progress. Suppose that we have walked into a wrong way, neither stay at the same place nor step into a thousand other wrong ways will enable us to succeed. Thus, whether through mistake can there be discovery or progress depends on how you will do and what you can do with them.

Plus, following the assumption that given above, we may get a psychological displacement that we should make mistakes deliberately, the more, the better. In this way, it would be dangerous if people dare to make any kind of mistake before a careful consideration because making mistake is actually a kind of waste of time or energy. All in all, the purpose why we learn from mistakes is not to pursue but rather to avoid mistakes. Put it in another way, if we can learn what is right from others, why do we bother ourselves to make the same stupid mistake again?

To sum up, with positive attitude, mistake is one way but definitely not the only way to make discovery or progress. After all, mistake can never ever take the place of the ability to learn along with the hard work without which we will be tumbled from time to time, but stay blind and fail to walk out our way to success.

寻梦UID: 171591

Ever since the first "modern man" came to be, human beings never slow down their paces in seeking progress. No matter how many times we fell down, we kept going ahead and thus brought new eras one after another, such as the Renaissance, the industrial civilization, and the modern information society. In this way, the notion that "only through mistakes can there be discovery and progress" seems to be a certain conclusion; after all, to err is human. However, if we take it as a universally applicable truth, it would be not only false, but even dangerous as well.[开头的陈述过于冗长，应尽快切入主题，表明观点，这和中文的行文不一样]

First of all, is it possible[impossible？？] for human beings to make discovery or progress without any mistake? Thousand-year history has told us a million times that the answer is no. In fact, it would be quite interesting if we look into how discoveries were made in the past, for many of them were found out by all kinds of chance rather than mistakes. For example, Newton discovered the law of gravitation when inspired by a falling apple and Archimedes by the water that overflow, Darwin by the special species on a remote island. None of these necessarily and directly related to mistakes. It is true that any scientific discovery calls for a certain solid professional foundation, however, to well-prepared brains, some small details always tend to arouse inspirations rather than mistakes.

Furthermore, there are usually times when we make progress from our ancestors by complementing their ideas rather than finding out mistakes. In this sense, hardly can we regard the former theory has been denied, but rather a new way of observing things was developed while the old one still has its own value. In retrospect, the discussion about the function of literature will be a telling example. Wilder regarded literature should reflect art, while Hugo believed it should describe society, and Floyd proved it is the way writers express their subconsciousness. None of these should we simply judge right or wrong, because in certain sense, each one has its own reason. But put them together, we will gain an increasingly comprehensive and profound understanding of Literature.

Also，to many fields of study, often new technology or theory accomplishment can bring certain discovery or progress. Because they can provide more effective tools or brand new method for people to research, for instance, without computer widely used, there would not have been such great progress in many fields such as medicine，astrology, or geology. Its powerful ability to calculate and reprocess has lead to significant breakthroughs which can not be easily obtained by only human itself. In this case, mistake is not necessarily involved.[这段我看得有点糊涂，作者好像跳出了主题？？作者是不是想说失败非唯一途径？？？若是的，是不是应该在开头给出？？]

Admittedly, mistakes sometimes can lead to discovery or progress only if people have the ability to learn and then devote efforts to explore the right way, otherwise mistakes will only be mistakes. It is true that when we fail, we can learn what does not work, nevertheless, what does work is the real key to make progress. Suppose that we have walked into a wrong way, neither stay at the same place nor step into a thousand other wrong ways will enable us to succeed. Thus, whether through mistake can there be discovery or progress depends on how you will do and what you can do with them.

Plus, following the assumption that given above, we may get a psychological displacement that we should make mistakes deliberately, the more, the better. In this way, it would be dangerous if people dare to make any kind of mistake before a careful consideration because making mistake is actually a kind of waste of time or energy. All in all, the purpose why we learn from mistakes is not to pursue but rather to avoid mistakes. Put it in another way, if we can learn what is right from others, why do we bother ourselves to make the same stupid mistake again?

To sum up, with positive attitude, mistake is one way but definitely not the only way to make discovery or progress. After all, mistake can never ever take the place of the ability to learn along with the hard work without which we will be tumbled from time to time, but stay blind and fail to walk out our way to success.
[作者的开头给人的感觉是要以“失败能给人成功”——“仅依靠失败是错误的”——“甚至是有害的”这个方式展开，但具体到论述却完全不是这样，建议调整结构]

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多谢拍砖，第一篇issue，手还比较生。第二段开头的确是个超级大bug，意思完全反了，多谢提出，我在原文处修改了一下。第四段换个方面继续跟着前面说不失败也能进步，因为第二段说偶然性，第三段说换个角度，第四段说新的技术方法，还是承接下来的。不过第四段是写完全文后想到又加的，所以可能跟原来的有点不连贯。在开头给出的话，可以说new technology or theory rather than mistake...
另外我开头的意思是看起来“失败能给人成功”是正确的，但实际上……所以我不是要探讨失败能给人成功的问题。

anthraxUID: 176473

Ever since the first "modern man" came to be, human beings never slow down their paces in seeking progress.（第一，句法不通顺come to being第二，有点意思不流畅，现代社会的进步更快不对吗） No matter how many times we fell down, we kept going ahead and thus brought new eras one after another, such as the Renaissance, the industrial civilization, and the modern information society. In this way, the notion that "only through mistakes can there be discovery and progress" seems to be a certain conclusion; after all, to err is human.（主语呢？） However, if we take it as a universally applicable truth, it would be not only false, but even dangerous as well.

First of all, is it impossible for human beings to make discovery or progress without any mistake? Thousand-year history has told us a million times that the answer is no. In fact, it would be quite interesting if we look into how discoveries were made in the past, for many of them were found out by all kinds of chance rather than mistakes. For example, Newton discovered the law of gravitation when inspired by a falling apple and Archimedes by the water that overflow, Darwin by the special species on a remote island. None of these necessarily and directly related to mistakes. It is true that any scientific discovery calls for a certain solid professional foundation, however, to well-prepared brains, some small details always tend to arouse inspirations rather than mistakes.（感觉这一段文字风格自成一体，观点也比较新鲜，用来题库里的另外一个说法，例子虽然很多人用过但是恰当，最为B1是不错的。）

Furthermore, there are usually times when we make progress from our ancestors by complementing their ideas rather than finding out mistakes. In this sense, hardly can we regard the former theory has been denied, but rather a new way of observing things was developed while the old one still has its own value. In retrospect, the discussion about the function of literature will be a telling example. Wilder regarded literature should reflect art, while Hugo believed it should describe society, and Floyd proved it is the way writers express their subconsciousness. None of these should we simply judge right or wrong, because in certain sense, each one has its own reason. But put them together, we will gain an increasingly comprehensive and profound understanding of Literature.(此论点有点剑走偏峰，不过着重于Make progress上面也还可以。)

Also，to many fields of study, often new technology or theory accomplishment can bring certain discovery or progress. Because they can provide more effective tools or brand new method for people to research, for instance, without computer widely used, there would not have been such great progress in many fields such as medicine，astrology, or geology. Its powerful ability to calculate and reprocess has lead to significant breakthroughs which can not be easily obtained by only human itself. In this case, mistake is not necessarily involved.（简直就是同类题型大检阅，所有的题目论点都出来了%）

Admittedly, mistakes sometimes can lead to discovery or progress only if people have the ability to learn and then devote efforts to explore the right way, otherwise mistakes will only be mistakes. It is true that when we fail, we can learn what does not work, nevertheless, what does work is the real key to make progress. Suppose that we have walked into a wrong way, neither stay at the same place nor step into a thousand other wrong ways will enable us to succeed. Thus, whether through mistake can there be discovery or progress depends on how you will do and what you can do with them. （这个说理比喻有点干瘪，考虑举起她的例子？前面弗洛伊德还有雨果的感觉不错）

Plus, following the assumption that given above, we may get a psychological displacement that we should make mistakes deliberately, the more, the better. In this way, it would be dangerous if people dare to make any kind of mistake before a careful consideration because making mistake is actually a kind of waste of time or energy. All in all, the purpose why we learn from mistakes is not to pursue but rather to avoid mistakes. Put it in another way, if we can learn what is right from others, why do we bother ourselves to make the same stupid mistake again? （感觉有好多mistakes充斥着屏幕……要不要考虑文字变换？）

To sum up, with positive attitude, mistake is one way but definitely not the only way to make discovery or progress. After all, mistake can never ever take the place of the ability to learn along with the hard work without which we will be tumbled from time to time, but stay blind and fail to walk out our way to success.（总是认为文字扎实了，论证感觉里没用到点子上来，to put it another way: not insightful enough）

深谷幽兰UID: 196550

UP一下!

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最初由 anthrax 发布
[B]
第一，句法不通顺come to being第二，有点意思不流畅，现代社会的进步更快不对吗
after all, to err is human.（主语呢？）
Thus, whether through mistake can there be discovery or progress depends on how you will do and what you can do with them. （这个说理比喻有点干瘪，考虑举起她的例子？前面弗洛伊德还有雨果的感觉不错）
（感觉有好多mistakes充斥着屏幕……要不要考虑文字变换？）
（总是认为文字扎实了，论证感觉里没用到点子上来，to put it another way: not insightful enough）
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非常感谢你的意见！你说的很对，我应该用came into being；但是你说的主语是指哪一个。mistake那个也很中肯，我自己再读一遍，真是拗口。我自己对这篇也不是很满意，正在修改中。思想这个东西真的很难提高啊，尤其是我一向对这些辩证思维、社会问题不大感兴趣，只能尽力了……唉……