Issue147 莎拉的同主题 拍吧~

莎拉UID: 2185851

Issue 147. “Tradition and modernization are incompatible. One must choose between them.”

立场：不同意
1．        表明立场。看起来这两个，一个属于过去，一个属于现在，好象是不相容的，但事实上并非如此，两个都很重要。
2．        传统是现代化的老师。很多传统思想在现代社会仍然有重要作用. 两个例子：儒家学说对中国文化的影响；孙子兵法对很多企业和CEO都有指导作用，美国人在二战之后开始研究它，甚至西点军校也拿它作参考书。
3．        现代化可以保护和帮助我们了解传统文化。我们现在不仅可以在传统节日给远方的朋友发e-mail, 还可以去各个古迹旅游，去欣赏古代遗产的雄伟壮丽。在科学研究领域，科学家用机器人去探测金字塔，防止对金字塔的损害。博物馆里也用现代技术去保护展物，以防止不受侵蚀和破坏。
4．        确实，传统和现代化不是全都那么好的。有的传统是不好的，比如一夫多妻，被现代社会的一夫一妻多代替；现代化也会带来一些问题，比如高科技犯罪，污染, 过分强调物质生活。还有些比如人和人距离更远了。但正因为传统和现代化各有利弊，我们才更需要将他们结合起来。
5．        结论。我们不应该舍弃他们其中的任何一个。

Generally speaking, tradition is always associated with the past, while modernization is something that belongs to the present. Seemingly, the two of them are incompatible. But actually, tradition and modernization can coexist and collaborate with each other. Both of them contribute a lot to the development of our society. It would be disadvantageous to us if we only choose one of them and do away with the other.

First of all, tradition is sometimes the teacher of modernization. Some traditional ideas and thoughts are still of important use in modern society. For example, Confucianism, which was founded by Confucius more than two thousand years ago, has a far-reaching influence on Chinese culture. Even today, Chinese students must learn the essence of Confucianism at school as a method of ethical education. A classical Chinese book called The Art of War, written in ancient times, is one of the most influential books about martial strategies. American scholars began to study this book after the Second World War. It is now used by many large corporations and CEOs as the bible of the strategies for business around the world. West Point also listed this book as one of the reference books for its students. Therefore, it is not difficult to see that tradition can be the guidance and can provide inspiration for modernization.

Besides, modernization helps to preserve and to better understand the traditions. In our everyday life, we not only can send e-mails to our friends who are far away from us in traditional festivals, but we also can travel to different places to appreciate the splendid heritage of the past. Thus, traditions are no longer far from us and will not be easily forgotten. In fields of studies, with the help of modern technology, scientists can use robots to explore parts of the pyramid without causing damage to it. Now, we can answer some questions that are used to be unknown to us about the ancient Egyptian traditions. New methods are also used to protect and to restore the exhibits of the past in museums. Without these methods, those objects passed down from old times might be eroded and damaged as time goes by.

Admittedly, tradition and modernization are not utterly beneficial to us. On the one hand, some traditions lag behind the development of modernization. Polygamy is a case in point. It used to be a tradition to have more than one wives. But now, in modern society, monogamy has replaced polygamy in most parts of the world, for the latter is generally regarded as a more advanced and civilized marriage system. Traditions like polygamy are those we should get rid of. On the other hand, modernization also causes some problems, such as high-tech crimes, serious pollution, and overemphasis on material possessions. Moreover, we spend less time with our friends and family than people in the past did. We are more willing to surf on the Internet, watching television at home and listening to music with our earphones. That is why people sometimes feel more isolated in modern society. So, both tradition and modernization have their disadvantages. But just because of the disadvantages, a combination and collaboration of the two should be called for.

In conclusion, without tradition, modernization would have no foundation and cultural identity; and without modernization, tradition would be stuck in stagnancy and primitive stage. Tradition and modernization are not incompatible as often being claimed. In fact, not one of the two is subordinate to the other. We should not leave out either tradition or modernization. (584 words)

winnie_nnUID: 2208004

Issue147 莎拉的同主题 拍吧~

Issue 147. “Tradition and modernization are incompatible. One must choose between them.”

立场：不同意
1．        表明立场。看起来这两个，一个属于过去，一个属于现在，好象是不相容的，但事实上并非如此，两个都很重要。
2．        传统是现代化的老师。很多传统思想在现代社会仍然有重要作用. 两个例子：儒家学说对中国文化的影响；孙子兵法对很多企业和CEO都有指导作用，美国人在二战之后开始研究它，甚至西点军校也拿它作参考书。
3．        现代化可以保护和帮助我们了解传统文化。我们现在不仅可以在传统节日给远方的朋友发e-mail, 还可以去各个古迹旅游，去欣赏古代遗产的雄伟壮丽。在科学研究领域，科学家用机器人去探测金字塔，防止对金字塔的损害。博物馆里也用现代技术去保护展物，以防止不受侵蚀和破坏。
4．        确实，传统和现代化不是全都那么好的。有的传统是不好的，比如一夫多妻，被现代社会的一夫一妻多代替；现代化也会带来一些问题，比如高科技犯罪，污染, 过分强调物质生活。还有些比如人和人距离更远了。但正因为传统和现代化各有利弊，我们才更需要将他们结合起来。
5．        结论。我们不应该舍弃他们其中的任何一个。

Generally speaking, tradition is always associated with the past, while modernization is something that belongs to the present. Seemingly, the two of them are incompatible. But actually, tradition and modernization can coexist and collaborate with each other. Both of them contribute a lot to the development of our society. It would be disadvantageous to us if we only choose one of them and do away with the other.

First of all, tradition is sometimes the teacher of modernization. Some traditional ideas and thoughts are still of important use in modern society. For example, Confucianism, which was founded by Confucius more than two thousand years ago, has a far-reaching influence on Chinese culture. Even today, Chinese students must learn the essence of Confucianism at school as a method of ethical education. A classical Chinese book called The Art of War [孙子兵法真的是这么写么？我一直没数，还以为是’Sun Zi Strategics’], written in ancient times, is one of the most influential books about martial strategies. American scholars began to study this book after the Second World War [World War II? 没见过人用the Second World War，不知道对不对]. It is now used by many large corporations and CEOs as the bible of the strategies for business around the world. West Point also listed this book as one of the reference books for its students. Therefore, it is not difficult to see that tradition can be the guidance and can provide inspiration for modernization.

Besides, modernization helps to preserve and to better understand the traditions. In our everyday life, we not only can send e-mails to our friends who are far away from us in traditional festivals, but we also can travel to different places to appreciate the splendid heritage of the past. Thus, traditions are no longer far from us and will not be easily forgotten. In fields of studies, with the help of modern technology, scientists can use robots to explore parts of the pyramid without causing damage to it. Now, we can answer some questions that are used to be unknown to us about the ancient Egyptian traditions. New methods are also used to protect and to restore the exhibits of the past in museums. Without these methods, those objects passed down from old times might be eroded and damaged as time goes by. [金字塔算是tradition么？我看到的Tradition的定义主要指的是传统和习惯]

Admittedly, tradition and modernization are not utterly beneficial to us. On the one hand, some traditions lag behind[记下来] the development of modernization. Polygamy is a case in point. It used to be a tradition to have more than one wives. But now, in modern society, monogamy has replaced polygamy in most parts of the world, for the latter is generally regarded as a more advanced and civilized marriage system. Traditions like polygamy are those we should get rid of. On the other hand, modernization also causes some problems, such as high-tech crimes, serious pollution, and overemphasis on material possessions. Moreover, we spend less time with our friends and family than people in the past did. We are more willing to surf on the Internet, watching television at home and listening to music with our earphones. That is why people sometimes feel more isolated in modern society. So, both tradition and modernization have their disadvantages. But just because of the disadvantages, a combination and collaboration of the two should be called for.

In conclusion, without tradition, modernization would have no foundation and cultural identity; and without modernization, tradition would be stuck in stagnancy and primitive stage. Tradition and modernization are not incompatible as often being claimed. In fact, not one of the two is subordinate to the other. We should not leave out either tradition or modernization. (584 words)

[总体感觉还不错，语言比较好，但是论述的比较少，例子多。第二点关于金字塔的例子我认为值得商榷，其他的都挺好]

[ 本帖最后由 winnie_nn 于 2006-7-18 14:50 编辑 ]

apiyo_07UID: 2191343

立场：不同意
1．        表明立场。看起来这两个，一个属于过去，一个属于现在，好象是不相容的，但事实上并非如此，两个都很重要。
2．        传统是现代化的老师。很多传统思想在现代社会仍然有重要作用. 两个例子：儒家学说对中国文化的影响；孙子兵法对很多企业和CEO都有指导作用，美国人在二战之后开始研究它，甚至西点军校也拿它作参考书。
3．        现代化可以保护和帮助我们了解传统文化。我们现在不仅可以在传统节日给远方的朋友发e-mail, 还可以去各个古迹旅游，去欣赏古代遗产的雄伟壮丽。在科学研究领域，科学家用机器人去探测金字塔，防止对金字塔的损害。博物馆里也用现代技术去保护展物，以防止不受侵蚀和破坏。
4．        确实，传统和现代化不是全都那么好的。有的传统是不好的，比如一夫多妻，被现代社会的一夫一妻多代替；现代化也会带来一些问题，比如高科技犯罪，污染, 过分强调物质生活。还有些比如人和人距离更远了。但正因为传统和现代化各有利弊，我们才更需要将他们结合起来。
5．        结论。我们不应该舍弃他们其中的任何一个。

Generally speaking, tradition is always associated with the past, while modernization is something that belongs to the present. Seemingly, the two of them are incompatible. But actually, tradition and modernization can coexist and collaborate with each other. Both of them contribute a lot to the development of our society. It would be disadvantageous to us if we only choose one of them and do away with the other.

First of all, tradition is sometimes the teacher of modernization. Some traditional ideas and thoughts are still of important use in modern society. For example, Confucianism, which was founded by Confucius more than two thousand years ago, has a far-reaching influence on Chinese culture. Even today, Chinese students must learn the essence of Confucianism at school as a method of ethical education. A classical Chinese book called The Art of War, written in ancient times, is one of the most influential books about martial strategies. American scholars began to study this book after the Second World War. It is now used by many large corporations and CEOs as the bible of the strategies for business around the world. West Point also listed this book as one of the reference books for its students. Therefore, it is not difficult to see that tradition can be the guidance and can provide inspiration for modernization.（例子很不错，语言简单明了，赞）

Besides, modernization helps to preserve and to better understand the traditions. In our everyday life, we not only can send e-mails to our friends who are far away from us in traditional festivals, but we also can travel to different places to appreciate the splendid heritage of the past. Thus, traditions are no longer far from us and will not be easily forgotten. In fields of studies, with the help of modern technology, scientists can use robots to explore parts of the pyramid without causing damage to it. Now, we can answer some questions that are（去掉are） used to be unknown to us about the ancient Egyptian traditions. New methods are also used to protect and to restore the exhibits of the past in museums. Without these methods, those objects passed down from old times might be eroded and damaged as time goes by. （喜欢你的例子呢，让人看得清楚明白）

Admittedly, tradition and modernization are not utterly beneficial to us. On the one hand, some traditions lag behind the development of modernization. Polygamy is a case in point. It used to be a tradition to have more than one wives. But now, in modern society, monogamy has replaced polygamy in most parts of the world, for the latter is generally regarded as a more advanced and civilized marriage system（看这个latter我还以为是polygamy呢，要不要改一下？）. Traditions like polygamy are those we should get rid of. On the other hand, modernization also causes some problems, such as high-tech crimes, serious pollution, and overemphasis on material possessions. Moreover, we spend less time with our friends and family than people in the past did. We are more willing to surf on the Internet, watching television at home and listening to music with our earphones. That is why people sometimes feel more isolated in modern society. So, both tradition and modernization have their disadvantages. But （加上it is exactly，去掉just试试看？）just because of the disadvantages, a combination and collaboration of the two should be called for. （很合理的分析^^）

In conclusion, without tradition, modernization would have no foundation and cultural identity; and without modernization, tradition would be stuck in stagnancy and primitive stage. Tradition and modernization are not incompatible as （建议改成as has often been claimed）often being claimed. In fact, not one of the two is subordinate to the other. We should not leave out either tradition or modernization. (584 words)

总体印象：语言流畅，例子也十分合理，逻辑清晰，很有启发呢，谢谢楼主^^

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莎拉UID: 2185851

非常谢谢楼上二位~~~

TO Winnie:
我举金字塔的例子并不是说金字塔就是tradition,而是从对金字塔的研究可以了解古埃及的传统习惯和生活方式，可能是我文中没说清楚，是我的问题，谢谢哦~~

TO apiyo:
拍了你的，感觉你的语言功底很不错呢，里面有些词我都不会用，我要是限时也能写成你那样就很满足了，有机会要多多交流哦：）

[ 本帖最后由 莎拉 于 2006-7-18 16:17 编辑 ]

apiyo_07UID: 2191343

谢谢莎拉的回拍，你的逻辑分析能力很让我羡慕呢，很有条理，例子也很到位，证明了知识面的宽广，是我十分缺乏的，我觉得这些比语言更重要，更何况你的语言本身就很不错，多多交流一起进步哦^^

苯石UID: 2169611

莎拉不得了。
读了提纲感觉像是学文史的，PFPF

苯石UID: 2169611

Issue 147. “Tradition and modernization are incompatible. One must choose between them.”

立场：不同意
1．        表明立场。看起来这两个，一个属于过去，一个属于现在，好象是不相容的，但事实上非如此，两个都很重要[都很重要不代表就能相容阿]

2．        传统是现代化的老师。很多传统思想在现代社会仍然有重要作用. 两个例子：儒家学说对中国文化的影响；孙子兵法对很多企业和CEO都有指导作用，美国人在二战之后开始研究它，甚至西点军校也拿它作参考书。[好例子！CarolineXixi也提到过相似的论点]

3．        现代化可以保护和帮助我们了解传统文化。我们现在不仅可以在传统节日给远方的朋友发e-mail, 还可以去各个古迹旅游，去欣赏古代遗产的雄伟壮丽。在科学研究领域，科学家用机器人去探测金字塔，防止对金字塔的损害。博物馆里也用现代技术去保护展物，以防止不受侵蚀和破坏。

4．        确实，传统和现代化不是全都那么好的。有的传统是不好的，比如一夫多妻，被现代社会的一夫一妻多代替；现代化也会带来一些问题，比如高科技犯罪，污染, 过分强调物质生活。还有些比如人和人距离更远了。但正因为传统和现代化各有利弊，我们才更需要将他们结合起来。[承认两方面的问题所在，提出取其精华理所当然]

5．        结论。我们不应该舍弃他们其中的任何一个。

苯石UID: 2169611

Generally speaking, tradition is always associated with the past, while modernization is something that belongs to the present. Seemingly, the two of them are incompatible. But actually, tradition and modernization can coexist and collaborate with [有点多余] each other. Both of them contribute a lot to the development of our society. It would be disadvantageous to us if we only choose one of them and do away with [这个词组用得合适吗？]  the other.

First of all, tradition is sometimes the teacher of modernization [这个有CHINGLISH之嫌啊。可以说modernization derives from tradition或tradition someitmes breeds modernization] . Some traditional ideas and thoughts are still of important use in modern society. For example, Confucianism, which was founded by Confucius more than two thousand years ago, has a far-reaching influence [这个词组好] on Chinese culture. Even today, Chinese students must learn the essence of Confucianism at school as a method of ethical education. A classical Chinese book called The Art of War, written in ancient times [by strategist Sun Tse], is one of the most influential books about martial strategies. American scholars began to study this book after the Second World War. It is now used by many large corporations and CEOs as the bible of the strategies for business around the world [by many CEOs in multinational corporations around the world as the Bible for business strategics/tactics] . West Point [是这么说的吗？考证一下] also listed this book as one of the reference books for its students. Therefore, it is not difficult to see that tradition can be the guidance and can provide inspiration for modernization. [西点的例子个人感觉不太好。 这个军校并非现代化的典型代表]

Besides, modernization helps to preserve and to better understand [logic! 是先理解才会保护的. ...to better understand and preserve...] the traditions. In our everyday life, we not only can send e-mails to our friends who are far away from us in traditional festivals, but we also can travel to different places to appreciate the splendid heritage of the past [heritage肯定是过去的] . Thus, traditions are no longer far from us and will not be easily forgotten. In fields of studies, with the help of modern technology, scientists can use robots to explore parts of the pyramid without causing damage to it. Now, we can answer some questions that are used to be unknown to us about the ancient Egyptian traditions. New methods are also used to protect and to restore the exhibits of the past in museums. Without these methods, those objects passed down from old [ancient] times might be eroded and damaged as time goes by [OR: elapses].

Admittedly, tradition and modernization are not utterly beneficial to us. On the one hand, some traditions lag behind the development of modernization. Polygamy is a case in point. It used to be a tradition to have more than one wives [a tradition according to which a male is entitled to marry more than one woman] . But now, in modern society, monogamy has replaced polygamy in most parts of the world, for the latter is generally regarded as a more advanced and civilized marriage system. Traditions like polygamy are those we should get rid of [abandon] . On the other hand, modernization also causes some problems, such as high-tech crimes, serious pollution, and overemphasis on material possessions [OR: acquisitions] . Moreover, we spend less time with our friends and family than people in the past did. We are more willing to surf on the Internet, watching television at home and listening to music with our earphones [(plugged in)] . That is why people sometimes feel more isolated in modern society. So, both tradition and modernization have their disadvantages. But just because of the disadvantages, [neither of them should be entirely abandoned or embraced] a combination and collaboration of the two should be called for.

In conclusion, without tradition, modernization would have no foundation and cultural identity; and without modernization, tradition would be stuck in stagnancy and primitive stage. Tradition and modernization are not incompatible as often being claimed. In fact, not one of the two is subordinate to the other. We should not leave out either tradition or modernization.


1. 首段表明态度很重要。如果严格一点，论点也因该挑明。  
    不过那样看起来会有一点呆板。
2. 'tradition would be stuck...without modernization' 的观点在前文中并
    没有论述, 不宜在总结段中出现.
3. 另外, CarolineXixi 提出过TRADITION也是会发展,与时俱进的观点, 值得
    借鉴和展开.

[ 本帖最后由 苯石 于 2006-7-21 14:32 编辑 ]

colourdragonUID: 2209624

他们都改的很全面了,我就简单说两句了

很欣赏你的例子和语言,就是例证可能多了一些,在加强些说理感觉会更有说服力

加油!