【DIES IN FLAMES 0910G长线突破组】ISSUE144By tracywlz

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144"It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value."
*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.

To begin with, lasting value can be defined as something can help people think deeply and get knowledge which cannot simply acquire from the outside world. That is to say, last value is an inner quality of artworks, it can help people memorize memorability things and hope hopeful things. Different people can get different perceives from a same thing. What is more, artists are the true creators, they use all kinds of tools to draw, and varies of tools also imply varies of minds. Just like canvases always indicate something with full-bodies outside, and watercolor paintings endow the opus with human being's sentiment. People regard them as canons not because of its remarks, but the really ability showed by artists.
      
Admittedly, it is the critics that use their professional notions to value productions and their opinions indubitability have more scientific, objective, elementary features, and that, of course, individuals mostly lacked. So, at some extent, critics can make it easily, directly people's finding beauty, which in fact, give the eyes to folk for finding lasting value. Taking abstract painting's example, when Van Gogh first exhibit his feelings about abstract art in
an exaggerated way, almost everyone treat him as a lunatic, but folk gradually acknowledged this novel aesthetics due to some intelligential critics. Honestly speaking, even now, without a particular description of a complex opus, we laymen even cannot touch the meaning of it, we would  regard it as a bungle. That is to say, few of us can appreciate intricate artwork without critics. Therefore,to some facets, critics are kinds of people that transform obscure works to demos receivable ones, although sometimes their standpoints have a bit errors to the real artwork, it is normally corresponds to the fact.
        
However, as critics, their job is to classify artists' works as given genres, it can somewhat alleviate people's burden, while mostly solidify people's thoughts. When you see some critiques before see the real opus, you are just like wearing colored glasses before seeing the world, what you find next is not purely what it actually is.It may glazed with a series of comments from so-called authorities, hence you just have to see through their eyes and think through their minds. As a result, what you have achieved from the production is just depend on what the critic want you to achieve. Moreover, critics often regard offering severe criticisms as an accomplishment. They  never fear to be faultfinders or make potential artists depressed more or less. In all, critics sometimes act as a veil to find lasting value. Hardly can them to boost the speed of social art lasting value.      

Nevertheless, critics in different eras, from assorted areas, always have distinctive perspectives. Even in the same time and same places, critics hold their viewpoints not only depend on what their think but also classes they are in and community they are representing to. So, how can the messes from all ranks receive a comparatively fair from varies of critics? The more you want to learn form the critics, the more confused you will get. As an famous saying, one thousand people have one thousand Hamlet in mind, therefore how can we get a certain respond from one thousand critics? We can just learn what the artworks are from ourselves, and nothing can restrain it.

In the final analysis, I hold a reserved agreement with the author. Artist is the maker of lasting value, and lasting value is the reflection of artists' inner world, Although critics can ratherish make it easy for normal person to understand the meaning of painting, lasting value is actually a different feeling that all kinds of people ought to get from the artwork itself, and only the artist is the original of lasting value.

第一篇issue.耗时2小时，改了2小时，例子什么还没搜的。但貌似还是有很多的不妥之处。。希望各位多多批判。。呵呵。

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To begin with, lasting value can be defined as something can help people think deeply and get knowledge（你下面的文章要从这两个角度去写艺术了，我觉得很悬，艺术品有三个功能，美化心灵、教化观众，还有个什么功能我忘了，这是在艺术界普遍认可的。因此，你这两个点选取的不大合适，先看下去^^） which cannot simply acquire from the outside world. That is to say, last value is an inner quality of artworks, it can help people memorize memorability things and hope hopeful things. Different people can get different perceives from a same thing这一句跟你这段的分论点没啥关系，有点画蛇添足了. What is more, artists are the true creators, they use all kinds of tools to draw, and varies of tools also imply varies of minds. Just like canvases always indicate something with full-bodies outside, and watercolor paintings endow the opus with human being's sentiment. People regard them as canons not because of its remarks, but the really ability showed by artists为什么不从“help people think deeply and get knowledge”继续深入写下去呢？.论述是为了分论点服务的，一段围绕一个主题，你这段是要定义lasting value，出发点不错，可惜后面的论述并没有去从这个点展开，转而写一些和主题沾边但和分论点不符的内容。
      
Admittedly, it is the critics that use their professional notions to value productions and their opinions indubitability have more scientific, objective（先给你划个标记）, elementary features, and that, of course, individuals mostly lacked. So, at some extent, critics can make it easily, directly people's finding beauty, which in fact, give the eyes to folk for finding lasting value（为什么不从think deeply and special knowledge这两个角度去写呢？跟你上段提出的两个点前后呼应，上下文连贯成一个有机体。因为评论家具备专业知识，深入研究，所有他们能发现永恒价值。而普通人不具备专业知识、也没有能力深入思考，只能借助评论家来欣赏艺术品）. Taking abstract painting's example, when Van Gogh first exhibit his feelings about abstract art in an exaggerated way, almost everyone treat him as a lunatic, but folk gradually acknowledged this novel aesthetics due to some intelligential critics（先说素材的真实性：梵高开始也不被当时的批评家所接受，这是众所周知的。这个素材没有重点去突出评论家的作用，缺少那么点味道）. Honestly speaking, even now, without a particular description of a complex opus, we laymen even cannot touch the meaning of it, we would  regard it as a bungle. That is to say, few of us can appreciate intricate artwork without critics说来说去，还是人们缺少专门知识，这里只是在复述上面的话，有点凑字数之嫌. Therefore,to some facets, critics are kinds of people that transform obscure works to demos receivable ones, although sometimes their standpoints have a bit errors to the real artwork, it is normally corresponds to the fact.整段都是在说评论家在艺术领域的功能，那他们究竟对永恒价值的艺术品有什么作用呢？
        
However, as critics, their job is to classify artists' works as given genres, it can somewhat alleviate people's burden, while mostly solidify people's thoughts. When you see some critiques（评论家主要是点评，而不是批评，他们的职责是挑选艺术品并推广之） before see the real opus, you are just like wearing colored glasses before seeing the world, what you find next is not purely what it actually is.It may glazed with a series of comments from so-called authorities, hence you just have to see through their eyes and think through their minds（评论家的意见一定是一致的吗？观众一点会遵从他们的评论吗？难道艺术爱好者自己没一点判断能力吗？）. As a result, what you have achieved from the production is just depend on what the critic want you to achieve. Moreover, critics often regard offering severe criticisms as an accomplishment. They  never fear to be faultfinders or make potential artists depressed more or less. In all, critics sometimes act as a veil to find lasting value. Hardly can them to boost the speed of social art lasting value.这段可以再深入写下去，评论家和艺术家的冲突不是这种表面的冲突，评论家的标准是死的，而艺术家的创作是creative and unique, 这是他们冲突的本质。至于评论家对艺术界的作用也要看评论家的水平，也不乏伟大的评论家对艺术界做出伟大的贡献。      

Nevertheless, critics in different eras, from assorted areas, always have distinctive perspectives. Even in the same time and same places, critics hold their viewpoints not only depend on what their think but also classes they are in and community they are representing to. So, how can the messes from all ranks receive a comparatively fair from varies of critics? 这里终于承认不同的评论家对艺术品的观点不一致了，和你上段又矛盾了The more you want to learn form the critics, the more confused you will get.我觉得听多个评论家的观点只会让人们更全面认识艺术品，而不是混乱，多角度看待艺术品嘛 As an famous saying, one thousand people have one thousand Hamlet in mind, therefore how can we get a certain respond from one thousand critics? We can just learn what the artworks are from ourselves, and nothing can restrain it.

In the final analysis, I hold a reserved agreement with the author. Artist is the maker of lasting value, and lasting value is the reflection of artists' inner world, Although critics can ratherish make it easy for normal person to understand the meaning of painting, lasting value is actually a different feeling that all kinds of people ought to get from the artwork itself, and only the artist is the original of lasting value. 艺术家创作艺术，评论家挑选推广艺术，大众接受艺术，这是艺术品实现价值的全过程，缺一不可。如果单纯从创作角度看，肯定是艺术家带来永恒价值，但如果从实现艺术品的社会价值（非艺术品自身价值），那肯定是少不了评论家的。这个题可以从多个角度去写，关键看你对give、lasting value的理解。很可惜，一直没有看到你在段首提到的那两个点，把这条主线贯穿文章的始终。第一次写，出现多个问题是正常的，没有好好去把握文章结构也是正常的，还有一些语法问题，积极参与小组活动，参与版面活动，多看issue、argument综合参考区会对你很有帮助，加油~~！

tracywlzUID: 2522388

刚去网上找到艺术品的3个功能。你看下是这些不？1.  Art for decoration and ornamentation. 2.  Art for adornment to indicate social rank. 3.  Art to inspire faith or enrich worship.
我写时的确没考虑结构，就是直接写下来，例子也是想起就举出的。看来，一篇issue不仅仅是花点时间写出来的事。。


感觉说得很有道理．嗯，我会仔细看的．谢谢了．

corpuscleUID: 2503411

我是在图书馆上面论文找的，好像跟你这个不大一致

irvine666UID: 2575525

唉，想不到啊想不到，小鸟兄隐居山林了居然还有雄心壮志...

tracywlzUID: 2522388

3#corpuscle你的找的的是什么?

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5# irvine666
一个熟人...
很多论文都有，不过早让我删了

tracywlzUID: 2522388

那还一个是社会生活的再现？2# corpuscle

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几个问题
1.这里的artist 可以只指画家。还是必须包括所有类别的艺术家？
2.当第2段转折后，第3段是否不能对第2段提的东西反驳，而应该从其他方面来说？ 第3段中可以有小转折不？

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1.题目说的是所有类别的艺术家，只写画家作为代表也可以啊
2.可以让步，但不能前后矛盾
最近忒忙了

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10# corpuscle

那我以后尽量不打扰了~~ 等到下一篇有质的飞跃再找你咯。哈哈
谢谢。