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发表于 2009-6-16 19:21:42 |显示全部楼层
As we were born, opening our eyes, we are constantly making obsevation. It can't be such thing as purely objective considering its generating source as well as can’t be always guided by the observer's expectations or desires seeking for its significance in human groups. Thus resulting in my perspective, our observation is relatively objective, neither to be that rigid nor that free.

Purely objectivity means substance existing out of human minds. However, observation is unable to reach the goal. Just think of scenes our ancestors observed colors and the first time someone named some of the colors red or green, the obsevation is really subjective. Yet, they came to an agreement on “this color is red or that color is green” and passed the cognition on from generation to generation, ultimately determining our obsevation in modern times. So the color red or green, in fact, never exist in the world until human once gave its meaning. But what actually the color is ,or even whether a color it is, remained to be seen on grounds of purely objectivity. When it comes to us nowadays, our obsevation of red is a fact definitely, but the fact is, as the case stands, based on the majority’s collective subjectivity inheriting from our ancestors. Moreover, once we regard a object as purely objective, it won’t be changed over human minds or spirits. Observation apparently don't so. Even though it may be fixed by the contemporary majority's recognition, it is actually taking steps to reach further through development of human society.

Served as a fact in today’s people’s opinion whereas a subjective result from the ancient times, and unlike the purely objective things can't be affected by human emotion, observation should be most pertinently described as relatively objective. On the other hand, relative objectivity can also deny the weak saying that obsevation is always guided by the observer's expectations or
desires.


As a matter of fact, observation always led by our expectation or desires is purely subjective. We human have to live in society, at least a small group, thus determing our obsevation of some basic factors must obey the value of the majority, or it means nothing. In orther words, it is destined never to be absolutely your own business. Also taking the color for an example, if you regard your obsevation of red all by your own desires as green, it doesn't matter really, but there seem to have no significance to you and society except being thought of crazy or abnormal by others. Clearly, your observation has to be relatively objective in this case rather than purely subjective.

Besides all above, another reason I treat our observation as realatively objective is that under such circumstances, everyone can add his/her emotional elements to all what they have observed instead of neither being purely objective nor subjective. Based on the accepted fact, human expectations and desires are equally indispensable in order to vitalise the world. Again, the color red, as relatively objective observation, you acknowledge it's red firstly, any imagination such as hot, passion, love about it followed is all right. And this time, your own obervation of it may be more important to make the objects full as well as transport fresh blood to human spiritual world. That is the sweetness of the saying" there is a hundred image of Hamlet in a hundred people's eyes".

No purely objective observation, nor obsevation always guided by our emotion, we should take it relatively objective to respect the fact that human has reached a consensus as well as paint your own colors to the picture based on the fact. The bloom of human progress can be expected.

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发表于 2009-6-16 19:24:00 |显示全部楼层
在下第一篇,谢谢大家指正,话说这篇真是难了,我中文写着感觉都笔头打拧。。。。。

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发表于 2009-6-18 01:18:09 |显示全部楼层
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As we were born, opening our eyes, we are constantly making obsevation. It can't be such thing as purely objective considering its generating source as well as cant be always guided by the observer's expectations or desires seeking for its significance in human groups. Thus resulting in my perspective, our observation is relatively objective, neither to be that rigid nor that free.(第一段表明文章观点,不是纯粹的客观而是相对的客观。很明确)

Purely objectivity means substance existing out of human minds. However, observation is unable to reach the goal. Just think of scenes our ancestors observed colors and the first time someone named some of the colors red or green, the obsevation is really subjective. Yet, they came to an agreement on this color is red or that color is greenand passed the cognition on from generation to generation, ultimately determining our obsevation in modern times. So the color red or green, in fact, never exist in the world until human once gave its meaning. (这句是不是绝对了?我的建议是尽可能不要把话题引到这个关于某物质是否存在的问题上,因为不管有没有红色或绿色,那个颜色都是存在的,也许不叫红色,叫赤色。所以存不存在只是那个东西的名称,代名词而已,并不是那个物质,那个物质的客观存在的。至于红色也好绿色也罢,本身就是人的主观定义。)But what actually the color is ,or even whether a color it is, remained to be seen on grounds of purely objectivity. When it comes to us nowadays, our obsevation of red is a fact definitely, but the fact is, as the case stands, based on the majoritys collective subjectivity inheriting from our ancestors. Moreover, once we regard a object as purely objective, it wont be changed over human minds or spirits. Observation apparently don't so. Even though it may be fixed by the contemporary majority's recognition, it is actually taking steps to reach further through development of human society..(这段是想说明“纯粹的客观是不存在的,我们所说的客观只是暂时的,是时应当下的,他很有可能随着时代的发展而改变”,对么?我觉得写得挺好的。Color那个例子会不会有的让人觉得意义模糊?能不能运用一个科学上被广泛认同的实例 来证明观察的客观性只是相对的,或者是我们对某一完全未知的事物的认知是很具有主观性的。)

Served as a fact in todays peoples opinion whereas a subjective result from the ancient times, and unlike the purely objective things can't be affected by human emotion, observation should be most pertinently described as relatively objective. On the other hand, relative objectivity can also deny the weak saying that obsevation is always guided by the observer's expectations or
desires.(为什么?需要给例子证明。。。)

As a matter of fact, observation always led by our expectation or desires is purely subjective. We human have to live in society, at least a small group, thus determing our obsevation of some basic factors must obey the value of the majority, or it means nothing. In orther words, it is destined never to be absolutely your own business. Also taking the color for an example, if you regard your obsevation of red all by your own desires as green, it doesn't matter really, but there seem to have no significance to you and society except being thought of crazy or abnormal by others. Clearly, your observation has to be relatively objective in this case rather than purely subjective.
(额。。说实话,我没大看懂上面两段的观点。改不了。)
Besides all above, another reason I treat our observation as realatively objective is that under such circumstances, everyone can add his/her emotional elements to all what they have observed instead of neither being purely objective nor subjective.(什么叫既不是纯粹的客观也不是主观?既然已经add his/her emotional elements了,为什么不是主观?)
Based on the accepted fact, human expectations and desires are equally indispensable in order to vitalise the world. Again, the color red, as relatively objective observation, you acknowledge it's red firstly, any imagination such as hot, passion, love about it followed is all right. And this time, your own obervation of it may be more important to make the objects full as well as transport fresh blood to human spiritual world. That is the sweetness of the saying" there is a hundred image of Hamlet in a hundred people's eyes".(你这段是想说human expectations and desires对社会来讲很重要是么?会不会有点跑?我觉得本段的TS应该是第一句,你是认为“观察使相对客观的”。那么我觉得“人可以运用expectations and desires to make the objects full。。。”和TS有点不太沾边)

No purely objective observation, nor obsevation always guided by our emotion, we should take it relatively objective to respect the fact that human has reached a consensus as well as paint your own colors to the picture based on the fact. The bloom of human progress can be expected.(最后一段算是一个期望或者是应该怎么做。我觉得可以适当总结一下你前面提到的支撑你观点的小的分论点,有“归一”的作用。)

我觉得如果这是第一篇issue,从语句上来说,我真的相当佩服你!!!我自己语言组织上不太好,个人觉得你的用词还是蛮华丽的,很羡慕滴说,所以我几乎没改语句上的东西,因为自己也掌握的不熟练,怕给改错了(最重要的是俺没看出来啥错误。。。)。另外结构上,我觉得第一段第二段还比较清晰,我想你应该是打算欲扬先抑吧!先赞同确实不存在purely observation,然后再说“也不是全部的主观”,而是“相对的客观”。但是我觉得后面说“相对的客观”有点乱和概念不清,可能是我语言理解方面的问题~~例子也比较少,所以理论的东西多了就会不那么清楚。逻辑上也是到后面我觉得有点混乱,前面都还蛮好的!不过第一次写就碰上如此BT的题,还真郁闷滴说!
呵呵,我也是新手,改的乱七八糟,千万不要介意哈~~~欢迎回改哦!
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发表于 2009-6-19 13:14:22 |显示全部楼层
非常感谢LS的批改
我一直认为但凡自己写的文章让人看不懂一定就是自己的问题,绝对不是批改者的问题

如果中间论述有让你无法理解的地方说明还是我自己没有表达清楚

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