issue51 BaXia小组第三次作业-猫版-找不到例子咯

黑崎猫猫UID: 209414

喵~找不到例子的痛苦的银~~sign:hug:

issue51
Education will be truly effective only when it is specifically designed to meet the individual needs and interests of each student.

position:      partly agree

提纲：1、教育应适合学生特点这一点是值得赞成的
            2、但是如果换种角度来看，教育效果的定义首先很模糊
            3、学生是有共性的，所以普通教育本来就是有效的
            4、要求教育符合每个学生是不现实的
            5、自学和普通教育同样能达到与特殊制定后的教育一样的效果，所以显然不需要教育符合每个学生的需求（这条最后写完的时候又觉得好像不太对:(）




People are always talking about that education should meet student's individual needs and interests, I agree with it. But the speaker's assertion that only the education which specially designed to meet every student's needs can be truly effective is unreasonable, for the common education adding self-study still can have the same effect. Otherwise, imaging that the education can fit every student's needs is impossible and irrational.

Admittedly, while ignoring other limiting factors, in order to be a suitable guide for students, educators should to complete the curriculum to adapt the student's concrete level and situation. There are many examples showed that, appropriate education leads to success. Just take MengZi-one of the greatest thinker of ancient China for example. When he was a child, he lived with his mother in a small village, but the boy was excessively indulged in playing games with children next-door and ignored study, so the mother decidedly move to another village, after three times move like this, she finally find a place where her son can study intently. The boy eventually had been one of the most famous thinkers in Chinese history.

But if we look at it on another light, the effective education the speaker mentions is a quite vague definition, the goal of which doesn't only means the common success what we usually says, but also training a person who is useful to society, or a virtuous person, or even a man just apt to learn. Different comprehending leads to different criterions.

Additionally, students are after all human beings-they have the same attributes among each other. So the common education we practiced before to some degree fit the common characteristic of most of students. That is to say, the educative method we customarily adopt is actually effective most of the time. Abundant examples can prove that: Most of the famous persons nowadays are graduate from common colleges; most of people around us have the ability to earn one’s living, all of this are the powerful evidences.

The speaker's assertion is troubling in two other respects as well. First, it is impossible to let education meet every student's individual characteristic, for there are not adequate teachers and equipment to do that. It will take huge amounts of social resource and a very longtime before we achieve the goal. Otherwise, the communication between teacher and student is often hardly truly meet the point what the student really need and interest in. So actually, we merely can do is to fit the common traits of most of the students.

Second, the aptness to learn is proved by lots of past experiences necessary in achieving success, and obviously it isn't the capabilities merely taught by class, sometimes it is even a natural gifts for some people.

In sum, let education strictly fit every student's individual needs is too idealize for today's world, and hardly to achieve. At the meantime, the education we practice now adding the aptness of learn to some degree can achieve the same effect.

freud5027UID: 2165870

看了你的提纲我发觉自己走进了一个死胡同。

题目说只有这样才有效，我反对的话，
好像只要证明其他也有效就可以了。
思绪混乱中……

写完argument，清醒了，再仔细看具体内容。

freud5027UID: 2165870

People are always talking about that education should meet student's individual needs and interests, I agree with it. But the speaker's assertion that only the education which specially designed to meet every student's needs can be truly effective is unreasonable, for the common education adding self-study still can have the same effect. Otherwise, imaging that the education can fit every student's needs is impossible and irrational.

Admittedly, while ignoring other limiting factors, in order to be a suitable guide for students, educators should to complete the curriculum to adapt the student's concrete level and situation. There are many examples showed that, appropriate education leads to success. Just take MengZi-one of the greatest thinker of ancient China for example. When he was a child, he lived with his mother in a small village, but the boy was excessively indulged in playing games with children next-door and ignored study, so the mother decidedly move to another village, after three times move like this, she finally find a place where her son can study intently. The boy eventually had been one of the most famous thinkers in Chinese history.<孟母三迁的例子好象跟这个没啥关系>

But if we look at it on another light, the effective education the speaker mentions is a quite vague definition, the goal of which doesn't only means the common success what we usually says, but also training a person who is useful to society, <赞成，教育的基础目的之一就是使人社会化，是人从一个个体融入社会的桥梁。>or a virtuous person, or even a man just apt to learn. Different comprehending leads to different criterions.

Additionally, students are after all human beings-they have the same attributes among each other.<与其说是因为人类的共性，不如说某些能力对大家而言同样重要，而这些能力的培养依靠基础教育> So the common education we practiced before to some degree fit the common characteristic of most of students. That is to say, the educative method we customarily adopt is actually effective most of the time. Abundant examples can prove that: Most of the famous persons nowadays are graduate from common colleges; most of people around us have the ability to earn one’s living, all of this are the powerful evidences.

The speaker's assertion is troubling in two other respects as well. First, it is impossible to let education meet every student's individual characteristic, for there are not adequate teachers and equipment(s) to do that. It will take huge amounts of social resource(s) and a very longtime before we achieve the goal. Otherwise, the communication between teacher(s) and student(s) is often hardly truly meet the point what the student really need and interest in. <应该说他们尝试做但没做到>So actually, we merely can do is to fit the common traits of most of the students.

Second, the aptness to learn is proved by lots of past experiences necessary in achieving success, and obviously it isn't the capabilities merely taught by class, sometimes it is even a natural gifts for some people.<没明白这段证明了什么>

In sum, let education strictly fit every student's individual needs is too idealize for today's world, and hardly to achieve. At the meantime, the education we practice now adding the aptness of learn to some degree can achieve the same effect.

你的基本思路很清楚，但论证过程和举例有点问题，还需理理顺。


我有个问题：题目的意思是不是符合学生的需要和兴趣是使教育有效的唯一途径？

黑崎猫猫UID: 209414

小freud看过来

“ 与其说是因为人类的共性，不如说某些能力对大家而言同样重要，而这些能力的培养依靠基础教育 ”

这些能力的培养成功是由于基础教育对人类共性的引导和教化~~~偶素这么理解的~~

黑崎猫猫UID: 209414

符合学生的需要和兴趣是使教育有效的唯一途径

偶觉得他有强调每个学生~~不知是不是我错觉~

deelee221UID: 2170883

issue51
Education will be truly effective only when it is specifically designed to meet the individual needs and interests of each student.

position:      partly agree

提纲：1、教育应适合学生特点这一点是值得赞成的
            2、但是如果换种角度来看，教育效果的定义首先很模糊
            3、学生是有共性的，所以普通教育本来就是有效的
            4、要求教育符合每个学生是不现实的
            5、自学和普通教育同样能达到与特殊制定后的教育一样的效果，所以显然不需要教育符合每个学生的需求（这条最后写完的时候又觉得好像不太对 ）请教:何谓自学?难道不是自己学习,自己满足自己的需要么?




People are always talking about that education should meet student's individual needs and interests, I agree with it. But the speaker's assertion that only the education which specially designed to meet every student's needs can be truly effective is unreasonable, for the common education adding self-study still can have the same effect. Otherwise, imaging that the education can fit every student's needs is impossible and irrational.

Admittedly, while ignoring other limiting factors, educators, in order to be a suitable guide for students, should to 删除 complete the curriculum to adapt the student's concrete level and situation.这样改改是不是更好点? There are 删除 Many examples show that, appropriate education leads to success. Just take MengZi-one of the greatest thinker of ancient China for example. When he was a child, he lived with his mother in a small village, but the boy was excessively indulged in playing games with children next-door and ignored study, so his mother decided to move to another village, after moving three times like this, she finally found a place where her son can study intently. The boy eventually had become one of the most famous thinkers in Chinese history.这个例子和教育有什么关系?

But if we look at it on another light, the effective education the speaker mentions is a quite vague definition, the goal of which doesn't only mean the common success what we usually says, but also training someone into a person who is useful to society, or into a virtuous person, or into even a man just apt to learn. Different comprehending leads to different criterions.

Additionally, students are after all human beings-they have the same attributes among each other. So the common education we practiced before to some degree fit the common characteristic of most of 删除 students. That is to say, the educative method we customarily adopt is actually effective most of the time. Abundant examples can prove that: Most of the famous persons nowadays are graduated from common colleges; most of people around us have the ability to earn one’s living, all of this 删除 the powerful evidences.

The speaker's assertion is troubling in two other respects as well. First, it is impossible to let education meet every student's individual characteristic, for there are not adequate teachers and equipments to do that. It will take huge amounts of social resource and a very longtime before we achieve the goal. Otherwise, the communication between teacher and student is often hardly truly meet the point what the student really need and interest in.不懂这句… Actually, we merely can do is to fit the common traits of most of the students.

Second, the aptness to learn is proved by lots of past experiences necessary in achieving success, and obviously it isn't the capabilities merely taught by class, sometimes it is even a natural gift for some people.

In sum, let education strictly fit every student's individual needs is too idealize for today's world, and hard to achieve. In the meantime, the education we practice now adding the aptness of learn to some degree can achieve the same effect.
我主要改了改句子,呵呵…color]

[ 本帖最后由 deelee221 于 2006-2-2 18:52 编辑 ]

roger0916UID: 2111336

51"Education will be truly effective only when it is specifically designed to meet the individual needs and interests of each student."
提纲：
1 当今的学生由于种种不同，对课程内容有着不同的要求；
2 学生的兴趣也会不同，强迫他们学习不愿意学的内容，不会有好的效果；
3 对于某些基础学科和基本技能，必须进行大众教育。
Many people have the doubt that whether the formal education in the school will be suitable for each student, and if we cannot guarantee so, may it has no value at all? I believe that some parts and aspects of the education should be designed under the consideration of the individualities of the students as much as possible, while we must admit that some fundermental and common education are necessary for each of the students.

Since the sudents sitting in the classroom are different from one and another, there is no escaping the fact that the content of the lessons cannot satisfiy the need of each of them. The students who are different persons, starting from different points and be bound to diffirent destinations in the future will surely have different knowledges and skills to learn. Some of them think they need better preparation for careers in today’s highly competive society, some want to develop their basic skills involved in group cooperation and interpersonal communication, the other are eager to know more about the culture of their nation. In other words,one thousand students requre one thousand kinds of the course.

The students who have different needs for knowledges will also have different interests at all. Considering that the interest is the best teacher for them, it seems that the subject that will arouse the learner's intesest mostly is the best one for him. A student that have great interests in certain subjects will surely has considerable motivation to learn it well and he will be eager for much more knowledge about these subjects than the teachers require them to learn. On the contrary, a student which have no interest in the knowledges of a certain subject  will  mentally withdraw and regard it as a waste of time to sit in the classroom having the dull and boring classes.

Nowadays, more and more Chinese parents oblige their children to participate extra educational programs to learn arts, music or to master a foreign language on the weekends and pay a lot of money on it, just because the society values these subjects greatly and many parents in the society do the same thing. Unfortunately, they fail to considering whether their sons and daughters have any interests in the subjects that they themselves regard as necessary and important qualities of their children. It will be a waste of the children’s precious time for relaxation after studing in the school for several days and it will make them lack of energy to face the next week's learning task in the school.

Admittedly, even though different student has different need and interests , there are some essential subjects which have great significance to all of the students as the fundation of a person to pursue knowledges of higher levels. Subjects such as math, native language and English, skills such as reading, writing and arithmetic are the basic courses for pupils and middle school students despite some students may have not enough interest to learn them well. Undoubtedlly, without mastering the essence of these disciplines, the students cannot go ahead for advanced edcation in the college, or even live in this modern society.

In conclusion, to make sure the effectiveness of the education, the educator must find a balance between individual education and public, basic education. Only through this , can we make the students benefit from  the school and make them liberally  educated men and women who have the ability to shape their own future after their graduation.

黑崎猫猫UID: 209414

楼上这位，你好像贴错地方了~~^ ^

Anny.Y.WangUID: 2178596

提纲：1、教育应适合学生特点这一点是值得赞成的
            2、但是如果换种角度来看，教育效果的定义首先很模糊
            3、学生是有共性的，所以普通教育本来就是有效的
            4、要求教育符合每个学生是不现实的我也这么想拉，比如资金问题等。
            5、自学和普通教育同样能达到与特殊制定后的教育一样的效果，所以显然不需要教育符合每个学生的需求（这条最后写完的时候又觉得好像不太对 ）




People are always talking about that education should meet student's individual needs and interests, I agree with it. But the speaker's assertion that only the education which specially designed to meet every student's needs can be truly effective is unreasonable, for the common education adding self-study still can have the same effect. Otherwise, imaging that the education can fit every student's needs is impossible and irrational.

Admittedly, while ignoring other limiting factors, in order to be a suitable guide for students, educators should to complete the curriculum to adapt the student's concrete level and situation. There are many examples showed that, appropriate education leads to success. Just take MengZi-one of the greatest thinker of ancient China for example. When he was a child, he lived with his mother in a small village, but the boy was excessively indulged in playing games with children next-door and ignored study, so the mother decidedly move to another village, after three times move like this, she finally find a place where her son can study intently. The boy eventually had been one of the most famous thinkers in Chinese history.[孟母三迁是由于环境因素，而不是因材施教，可以举孔子呀！Education based on individual interest benefits students to such an extent that it produces countless experts in various fields. Nearly 3000 years ago, Chinese philosopher Confucius said "teach students in accordance of their aptitude" which indicates that our forefathers have noticed the significance of ones own enthusiasm.我是截别人作文上的，呵呵呵]

But if we look at it on another light,有这样的描述吗？ the effective education the speaker mentions is a quite vague definition, the goal of which doesn't only means the common success what we usually says, but also training a person who is useful to society, or a virtuous person, or even a man just apt to learn. Different comprehending leads to different criterions.是要对教育对兴趣爱好下个定义，我们才好论证的

Additionally, students are after all human beings-they have the same attributes among each other. So the common education we practiced before to some degree fit the common characteristic of most of students. That is to say, the educative method we customarily adopt is actually effective most of the time. Abundant examples can prove that: Most of the famous persons nowadays are graduate from common colleges; most of people around us have the ability to earn one’s living, all of this are the powerful evidences.看我的文章了吗？我举的是Bill Gates 我是正面说的，那参考一下啦！

The speaker's assertion is troubling in two other respects as well. First, it is impossible to let education meet every student's individual characteristic, for there are not adequate teachers and equipment to do that. It will take huge amounts of social resource and a very longtime before we achieve the goal. Otherwise, the communication between teacher and student is often hardly truly meet the point what the student really need and interest in<be interested in???>. So actually, we merely can do is to fit the common traits of most of the students. Second, the aptness to learn is proved by lots of past experiences necessary in achieving success, and obviously it isn't the capabilities merely taught by class, sometimes it is even a natural gifts for some people.

In sum, let education strictly fit every student's individual needs is too idealize for today's world, and hardly to achieve. At the meantime, the education we practice now adding the aptness of learn to some degree can achieve the same effect.



总体上我觉得思路我们俩很像，用的是平衡观点，就像freud的给我的点评，没有力度。
建议大家一起来讨论一下，这个题目的提纲啦。

michelle1021UID: 195011

People are always talking about that education should meet student's individual needs and interests, I agree with it. But the speaker's assertion that only the education which(去掉which吧) specially designed to meet every student's needs can be truly effective is unreasonable, for the common education adding self-study still can have the same effect. Otherwise, imaging that the education can fit every student's needs is impossible and irrational.

Admittedly, while ignoring other limiting factors, in order to be a suitable guide for students, educators should to complete the curriculum to adapt the student's concrete level and situation. There are many examples showed that, appropriate education leads to success. Just take MengZi-one of the greatest thinker of ancient China for example. When he was a child, he lived with his mother in a small village, but the boy was excessively indulged in playing games with children next-door and ignored study, so the mother decidedly move to another village, after three times move like this, she finally find a place where her son can study intently. The boy eventually had been one of the most famous thinkers in Chinese history.（蛮好的例子）

But if we look at it on another light(sight), the effective education the speaker mentions is a quite vague definition, the goal of which doesn't only means the common success what we usually says, but also training a person who is useful to society, or a virtuous person, or even a man just apt to learn. Different comprehending leads to different criterions.

Additionally, students are after all human beings-they have the same attributes among each other. So the common education we practiced before to some degree fit the common characteristic of most of students. That is to say, the educative method we customarily adopt is actually effective most of the time. Abundant examples can prove that: Most of the famous persons nowadays are graduate(graduated) from common colleges; most of people around us have the ability to earn one’s living, all of this are the powerful evidences.

The speaker's assertion is troubling in two other respects as well. First, it is impossible to let education meet every student's individual characteristic, for there are not adequate teachers and equipment to do that. It will take huge amounts of social resource and a very longtime before we achieve the goal. Otherwise, the communication between teacher and student is often hardly truly meet(meeting) the point what the student really need and interest in. So actually, we merely can do is to fit the common traits of most of the students.

Second, the aptness to learn is proved by lots of past experiences necessary in achieving success, and obviously it isn't the capabilities merely taught by class, sometimes it is even a natural gifts(gift) for some people.

In sum, let education strictly fit every student's individual needs is too idealize for today's world, and hardly to achieve. At the meantime, the education we practice now adding the aptness of learn to some degree can achieve the same effect.

写的很不错啊，跟我想的差不多，最后结尾也总结的很好