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第一次拿issue上来，希望各位能多给点指点。限时写好后稍改了一下，是第二篇issue
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issue 157:
There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires.

The author claims that nothing is objective observation, and all observation is guided by the observer's expectations or desires. I agree with this claim, because objective observation is independent of individual thought. However, such individual thought of observers cannot be separated from their observation.

   It is human beings who make the observation, and every individual has his or her own values, perspectives, experiences, expectations and desires which could hardly be taken out of their observation especially in social sciences and humanities. Therefore, such fields as art, politics, and literature are full of personal expectations and desires and lack of rules and principles accepted by all observers. Reading the same article, different people may gain distinctly different conclusions. No one could simply say whether the article is good or bad because there is no definitely standard accepted by all the people to evaluate what is good or bad.

   Moreover, not only it is impossible to have the same principle, but to have the same rules in such fields is extremely harmful. Imagining that all people describe a picture in the same word, just saying “good” or “bad” emotionless, then the diversity of art dies away - a disaster of art. So people try their efforts to prevent the same judgment and encourage variability. Thus, without the same standard of evaluation, objective observation loses its base. For these reasons, purely objective observation is impossible in such fields as social sciences and humanities.

    On the other hand, many people may think the observation in natural sciences is objective. But in my opinion, even in these fields based on the same principle and rules, the observation is relatively objective rather than absolutely objective. Because different people have different understanding of the principles and rules so that there exist approximations which are estimated by the observers subjectively. For example, a person wants to know how long a straight line and he use a rule which minimal scale is 0.1cm. Then, if his method is correct, at the scale of 0.1cm, his result is objective. But when refer to the scale of 0.01cm, his observation is subjective because he have to estimate the last digit.

    Such examples are ubiquitous in the field of natural science, even in the simplest observation, the objective is qualified, let alone other more complicated things. It is fact that most scientific discovery are result from scientists subjective observation and judgment. One of the most famous is the law of the gravity in whose discovery is full of approximation. For these reasons, although there is such thing as relatively objective observation, no purely objective observation exists in any field even in natural science.

    However, when guided by the observer's expectations or desires, the observation is also effected by other things such as observer’s background, age, sex, nationality and so on. It is often that when estimate the amount of the audience in the hall, young people are intended to get larger result than the conventional old ones. Of cause there are exceptions, but it is true that observer's are affected by their experience which related to personal characteristics as well as their expectations and desires.

    On a word, the author's claim that nothing is purely objective observation is reasonable. Because we cannot totally stand out of our experiences as well as expectations and desires. Even in the most objective field - natural science, the observation is just relatively objective, let alone other social sciences and humanities. However, not all observation is absolutely subjective. In many condition, relatively objective exists.

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谢谢，下次一定注意

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The author claims that nothing is objective observationthere is no objective observation, and all observation is guided by the observer's expectations or desires. I agree with this claim, because objective observation is independent of individual thought. However, such individual thought of observers cannot be separated from their observation.虽然我自己写的是有保留的赞成，不过你的论点也是很不错的

   It is human beings who make the observation, and every individual has his or her own values, perspectives, experiences, expectations and desires which could hardly be taken out of their observation especially in social sciences and humanities. Therefore, such fields as art, politics, and literature are full of personal expectations and desires and lack of 不需要"of"rules and principles accepted by all observers.观点不错。可是觉得语言的表述过于绝对化。比如“full of” Reading the same article, different people may gain distinctly different 这两个词义重复，任何一个都可以表达。否则显得累赘conclusions. No one could simply say whether the article is good or bad because there is no definitely absolutestandard accepted by all the people to evaluate what is good or bad.评价的标准的缺失，并不是导致观察主观的原因，整段都在讲由于观察是人为的，必然掺杂主观因素。那么，最后一句用意何在？

   Moreover, not only it is is itimpossible to have the same principle, but to have the same rules in such fields isalso extremely harmful. Imagining that all people describe a picture in the same word, just saying “good” or “bad” emotionless, then the diversity of art dies away - a disaster of art. So people try their effortsmake efforts to prevent the same judgment and encourage variabilitydiversity. Thus, without the same standard of evaluation, objective observation loses its base.没有理解这句话与上下文间的逻辑关系，能否解释一下？或许需要更好的过渡 For these reasons, purely objective observation is impossible in such fields as social sciences and humanities.

    On the other hand, many people may think the observation in natural sciences is objective. But in my opinion, even in these fields based on the same principle and rules, the observation is relatively objective rather than absolutely objective. Because different people have different understanding of the principles and rules so that there exist approximations which are estimated by the observers subjectively. For example, a person wants to know how long a straight line and he use a rule which minimal scale is 0.1cm. Then, if his method is correct, at the scale of 0.1cm, his result is objective. But when refer to the scale of 0.01cm, his observation is subjective because he have to estimate the last digit.这段写的不错。很新颖的看法！

    Such examples are ubiquitous in the field of natural science, even in the simplest observation, the objective is qualified, let alone other more complicated things. It is factit is true that that most scientific discovery areare 多余 result from scientists subjective observation and judgment. One of the most famous is the law of the gravity in whose discovery is full of approximation. For these reasons, although there is such thing as relatively objective observation, no purely objective observation exists in any field even in natural science.

    However, when guided by the observer's expectations or desires, the observation is also effected by other things such as observer’s background, age, sex, nationality and so on. It is often that when estimate the amount of the audience in the hall, young people are intended to get larger result than the conventional old ones. Of cause there are exceptions, but it is true that observer's are affected by their experience which related to personal characteristics as well as their expectations and desires.我明白你想说明特定的人群有一定的倾向性，可是这段放在这里的作用在哪里呢?

    On a word, in a wordthe author's claim that nothing is purely objective observation is reasonable. Because we cannot totally stand out of our experiences as well as expectations and desires. Even in the most objective field - natural science, the observation is just relatively objective, let alone other social sciences and humanities. However, not all observation is absolutely subjective. In many condition, relatively objective exists.

总的来说，文章思路还是蛮清晰的。不过各段之间的逻辑关系，尤其是B5还有待加强。语法没有大问题，但低级错误要避免。不过，第二篇写成这样，真的很不容易