Issue63 迟来的Issue63,希望D组战友讨论讨论！

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Issue63: 522 words  
To truly understand your own culture—no matter how you define it—requires personal knowledge of at least one other culture, one that is distinctly different from your own.

What does the true understanding of one's own culture mean on earth? People's ideas about this controversial issue would differ greatly due to their dissimilar perspectives. As far as my view is concerned, if the true understanding of one's culture involves the comparison and the contrast with others, surely another distinctly culture is needed. However, providing the good command of the knowledge of one's own culture means the true understanding to it, there is no necessary to take another culture into consideration.

On the one hand, the true understanding of one's own culture from someone's eyes should involve the judgment to the advantage and disadvantage of one's own culture. In this sense, only indulging into absorbing the personal knowledge about people's own culture but ignoring other nations' would lead to the blind complacence and a narrow-minded viewpoint about their own cultures Take China in 19th century for example: The Chinese government at that time closed the door to almost all foreigners and refuse any western cultures because they blindly thought that Chinese culture was surely superior to any others'. Actually, without the comparison and contrast, China had been left behind by western cultures quickly. On the contrary, nowadays, after implementing the open and reform policy in modern China, more and more people begin to know other cultures especially the western culture very well by learning their language, by introducing their sophisticated science and technology, by watching many interesting Hollywood movies etc. Especially some Chinese who have furthered their study overseas know clearly about the advantages and the failings of Chinese culture due to their personal knowledge of two distinctly cultures.

On the other hand, while defining the true understanding of one's own culture that people have a good command of the knowledge about their own cultures and they can utilize it adroitly in their work and life, it would be a waste of time to spend much time studying another one. For example: Many famous writers in China, who even don't know a word of English, however, have created some excellent works that greatly reflected Chinese culture. It is the true understanding about their own culture that has inspired them to write some excellent works other than knowing another culture. What's more, some Chinese who seldom contact any other cultures can make great achievements by developing the traditional Chinese culture. The artists of Being Opera(one kind of Chinese traditional art) is a compelling example to illustrate that. On the contrary, too much emphasis placed on learning another culture may lead people to neglect their own ones. A recent survey indicates that some young Chinese students nowadays who dedicate most of their time learning English crazily even cannot write a fluent composition in Chinese. How can we assert that by studying another culture such students will truly understand their own ones?

In my final analysis, whether we should take another culture into account to understand our own ones lies on how we define the true understanding to one's own culture. By comparing and contrasting with other ones, we can judge it; while by the mastery of our own one, we can utilize it.

[ Last edited by staralways on 2005-7-3 at 11:59 ]

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我来也


What does the true understanding of one's own culture mean on earth?[one's own culture 还有歧义？] People's ideas about this controversial issue would differ greatly due to their dissimilar perspectives. As far as my view is concerned, if the true understanding of one's culture involves the comparison and the contrast with others, surely another distinctly culture is needed[题目不就是要问题到底需不需要和其他不同文化作比较来理解自身的文化么.按你的意思，“如果自身文化包含比较，那肯定需要其他文化”——这不废话么~]. However, providing the good command of the knowledge of one's own culture means the true understanding to it, there is no necessary to take another culture into consideration.
怎么觉得开头就有点跑啊，汉~
这是一道问题解决型题目，论证想要理解自己的文化，是否需要通过对不同文化的比较。


On the one hand, the true understanding of one's own culture from someone's eyes should involve the judgment to the advantage and disadvantage of one's own culture[从TS看，有点找其他解决方案的意思，他因法。要是我的话，TS（论点）我会这样写：进行文化间对比，有利于认清自身文化的优缺点。论述部分可以从正/反两面来写。你的下一句就是反面论述，如果不这么做，会……；这很好!要能再从正面论述一下，即，进行文化间对比，如何有利于认清自身文化的优缺点]. In this sense, only indulging into absorbing the personal knowledge about people's own culture but ignoring other nations' would lead to the blind complacence and a narrow-minded viewpoint about their own cultures[不进行文化间对比带来的不良后果——盲目自大&目光短浅]. Take China in 19th century for example: The Chinese government at that time closed the door to almost all foreigners and refuse any western cultures because they blindly thought that Chinese culture was surely superior to any others'. Actually, without the comparison and contrast, China had been left behind by western cultures quickly例子也是从反面论证；可以再具体写写left behind 的现象. On the contrary, nowadays, after implementing the open and reform policy in modern China, more and more people begin to know other cultures especially the western culture very well by learning their language, by introducing their sophisticated science and technology, by watching many interesting Hollywood movies etc. Especially some Chinese who have furthered their study overseas know clearly about the advantages and the failings of Chinese culture due to their personal knowledge of two distinctly cultures.[例子后半部分是正面论证，作为呼应，前面的论点也可以写写正面的，这个在TS处已经提到过了。例子后半部分对论点的服务不是很到位，应阐述对比了其他文化后，如何有助于认识自身文化的优缺。

例子写完，最好来个总结。
B2作些思路上的修改，还是不错的。]

On the other hand, while defining the true understanding of one's own culture that people have a good command of the knowledge about their own cultures and they can utilize it adroitly in their work and life, it would be a waste of time to spend much time studying another one[虽然对于你的“对one's own culture有2方面解释”不太苟同，但TS还是和开头很切合的。]. For example: Many famous writers in China, who even don't know a word of English[把语言算作culture的一方面，和B1例子后半部分一致], however, have created some excellent works that greatly reflected Chinese culture. It is the true understanding about their own culture that has inspired them to write some excellent works other than knowing another culture. What's more, some Chinese who seldom contact any other cultures can make great achievements by developing the traditional Chinese culture. The artists of Being OperaBeijing Opera？京剧？(one kind of Chinese traditional art) is a compelling example to illustrate that[京剧illustrate什么了？再用1句话挑明一下。]. On the contrary[前面作正面论证，on the contrary后面作反面论证，意图/思路很好！], too much emphasis placed on learning another culture may lead people to neglect their own ones. A recent survey indicates that some young Chinese students nowadays who dedicate most of their time learning English crazily even cannot write a fluent composition in Chinese反面论证的例子仍然举的是语言。是不是有点单一呢，对文化的理解？仅就语言层面来说明一个文化的分支，有点薄，再找找其他层面的例子。. How can we assert that by studying another culture such students will truly understand their own ones[反问结尾，我还没用过呢，学习！]?

In my final analysis, whether we should take another culture into account to understand our own ones lies on how we define the true understanding to one's own culture. By comparing and contrasting with other ones, we can judge it; while by the mastery of our own one, we can utilize it.



小结
立场/论点：
这个题目要是我写的话，开头和TS我都会作改动，怎么改我在文章的修改中已经说过了。

论证：
开始学会正/反两方面论证了，有进步。
我也学习学习！

题外话：
你好像特别喜欢两段论，很多文章都用到on the one hand/ one the other hand的结构，这对你文章风格/结构的形成是有好处，但也可能会导致你的思路打不开，总是只从2方面想问题，应该学会多角度论证，至少写提纲时可以再挖深一点，这样就可以从中挑2、3个比较好写/自己擅长的角度下笔了。

另：
此题属于issue6/63/10/72/203同类型题目，都是讨论用啥方法来了解社会的character/culture的。
我觉得以上5个题，可以合起来写一篇长的，几种方法都涵盖，不同方法配合不同例子。
issue63我至今还没有特别好的提纲，就没动笔。
不过写了issue203，在我的签名档里，你看看写得咋样。

fhxyweiUID: 157384

1，我对这道题破题的第一反应就是究竟什么算是 true understanding of one's own culture，不同的定义，就会出现不同的情况，在我的第一种定义下面，想要理解自己的文化，需要通过对不同文化的比较；在我的第二种定义下，不需要！我觉得我的开头不应当算作跑题，我给出了解决的方案，回应了题目。至于我的那两种定义是否合理，当然还有待商榷，可能还不能自圆其说。issue这个东西，我认为关键是自圆其说，哪怕是诡辩也行，你觉得呢？

2，关于我的两段论， 我也很头疼，不是我不想写三段论，其实我还有观点想写出来,就是没有时间写了，与其多写一个没有充分论证的观点，不如就吧2个观点的论证写的饱满一些，而且在ets的范文中，也有只写2段的，且还没有结尾，照样是6分

当然了，我的语言和论证功底还没有范文那么强：）

3，by the way，虽然我现在基本上在50分钟之内能够完成issue了，但我贴上来之前把所有的拼写错误自己都改正过的。时间问题还是一个老大难！！

吃完午饭回来看你的issue203

if_lotusUID: 175616

恩，楼上的1、2都同意！

我还么开始限时呢，呵呵，D组里面看来你走在前面了

fhxyweiUID: 157384

我不知道是不是改早点限时好，还是先把论证想的圆满一点，不过迟早都得要练习实战

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我有个比较弱的问题，如果题目中说了no matter how you define it，你在文章开头就去define，会不会算跑题呢。。。

fhxyweiUID: 157384

我的立场是反对它，说明这个no matter how you define it根本不成立，只要我定义一下，就有不同的情况产生

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fhxywei:
题目中说了"no matter how you define it",我也觉得开头就自己去限定有点非常规,不过只要能论证清晰,也可以.

就你的文章而言,我觉得你的2种对"own culture"的定义不是特别恰当。
尤其是第一种。

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那2种定义（对什么叫做true understanding of own culture,不是对own culture的定义）定义的肯定有些片面，因为每个人的理解都不同，但为了破题，我只能去此下策。

题目的意思是说，“不管你怎么定义…………“，但我就给它定义一下，只要从2方面定义就可能推翻它的结论。 就象有个人说，不管你怎么做，你都不会成功，你就给他做，以实际的行动推翻它。 我觉得no mattter how you define it不是说在我们的issue里面禁止我们定义，只有在不定义的情况下才可以讨论。 而只是题目本身的一种assertion!