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Argument145
提纲：
1，        调查缺乏可靠性
2，        没有证据来支持短暂的清醒会导致劳累
3，        没有任何有关打鼾人的现阶段运动和食量的数据，也许他们已经做的很好，另外各人情况也有所不同的
正文
Before the author comes to the conclusion that people who snore need less food but more exercise than the average person, he or she fails to provide any sufficient evidence. All those assumptions on which this argument relies may seem reasonable at the first glance, however, after a thorough and carefully analysis, turning out rather ungrounded.

In the first place, the authority of the study, which asserts a cause-and-effect relationship between snoring and gaining weight is rather dubious. As this study offers no information about its samplers at all. We have no idea about their ages, jobs and other conditions which are firmly connected with topic of getting weight. It is entirely possible that people who accept this study are middle aged, the most likely to gain weight due to their special characters rather than snoring. Or perhaps they are just people who do office work, and spending most of their time sitting before the computers. As a consequence, it is more easily for such people to gain weight than those laborers. In addition, perhaps only a small amount of people accept this study, as a result, no one can insure whether it is representative or not. In short, before the author ruling out other alternatives which causing the weight, proving us its authority and representative, he or she cannot take it as a evidence.

In the second place, the argument asserts that people who snore at night will feel tried during the day for just a briefly waking, while giving no persuasive evidence at all. First, without credible information supported by science, we cannot assume the interruption of breathing will lead to tiredness just according to our own common sense. We should know the exact relationship between them, instead of some hasty assumptions. Second, even if the waking at night will result in tiredness, we can contribute this fault to snoring. The situation about other people who do not snore at night should be given to us also. It is probably that these common people have short stops of breathing during night for a few second. Thus, whether snoring or not is not the factor which leading to tiredness, while other crucial causes may exist.

Moreover, no information about diet and exercise situations of people who snore is provided to us. The author mentions that these need less food and more exercise, while failing to consider the current conditions. Maybe they have already done everything well enough and thus we should not require them to do more and more. Then, situations should differ according to different people. It is too absolute for the author to conclude that all people who snore should take his or her suggestion which is completely unsounded.

In a sum, the argument is neither logically sound or persuasive because of lacking direct and sufficient evidence. The author should provide more professional and authoritarian studies to reveal the exact relationship between snoring and tiredness. Additionally, the author should give evidence before concluding the links between snoring and gaining weight.

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Originally posted by 果小冻 at 2005-11-23 21:52
Argument145
提纲：
1，        调查缺乏可靠性
2，        没有证据来支持短暂的清醒会导致劳累
3，        没有任何有关打鼾人的现阶段运动和食量的数据，也许他们已经做的很好，另外各人情况也有所不同的
正文
Before the author comes to the conclusion that people who snore need less food but more exercise than the average person, he or she fails to provide any sufficient evidence. All those assumptions on which this argument relies may seem reasonable at the first glance, however, after a thorough and carefully analysis, turning out rather ungrounded.

In the first place, the authority of the study, which asserts a cause-and-effect relationship between snoring and gaining weight is rather dubious. As this study offers no information about its samplers at all. We have no idea about their ages, jobs and other conditions which are firmly connected with topic of getting weight. It is entirely possible that people who accept this study are middle aged, the most likely to gain weight due to their special characters rather than snoring. Or perhaps they are just people who do office work, and spending most of their time sitting before the computers. As a consequence, it is more easily for such people to gain weight than those laborers. In addition, perhaps only a small amount of people accept this study, as a result, no one can insure whether it is representative or not. In short, before the author ruling out other alternatives which causing the weight, proving us its authority and representative, he or she cannot take it as a evidence. 这段很写的不错

In the second place, the argument asserts that people who snore at night will feel tried during the day for just a briefly waking, while giving no persuasive evidence at all. First, without credible information supported by science, we cannot assume the interruption of breathing will lead to tiredness just according to our own common sense. We should know the exact relationship between them, instead of some hasty assumptions. Second, even if the waking at night will result in tiredness, we can contribute this fault to snoring. The situation about other people who do not snore at night should be given to us also. It is probably that these common people have short stops of breathing during night for a few second. Thus, whether snoring or not is not the factor which leading to tiredness, while other crucial causes may exist. 明白作者的意思，但是感觉例子少了一点，确实不太好举例子，但是凭空的这样说作者的假设有可能部队却不给任何例子，可以么，不过用词很不错

Moreover, no information about diet and exercise situations of people who snore is provided to us. The author mentions that these need less food and more exercise, while failing to consider the current conditions. Maybe they have already done everything well enough and thus we should not require them to do more and more. Then, situations should differ according to different people. It is too absolute for the author to conclude that all people who snore should take his or her suggestion which is completely unsounded. 最后的攻击点我看到了很多，都很不错，你的这个也很新颖

In a sum, the argument is neither logically sound or persuasive because of lacking direct and sufficient evidence. The author should provide more professional and authoritarian studies to reveal the exact relationship between snoring and tiredness. Additionally, the author should give evidence before concluding the links between snoring and gaining weight.

不错，尤其是第一个的点

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Before the author comes to the conclusion that people who snore need less food but more exercise than the average person, he or she fails to provide any sufficient evidence. All those assumptions on which this argument relies may seem reasonable at the first glance, however, after a thorough and carefully analysis, (主句缺少主谓语)turning out rather ungrounded.

In the first place, the authority of the study, which asserts a cause-and-effect relationship between snoring and gaining weight is rather dubious. As this study offers no information about its samplers at all. We have no idea about their ages, jobs and other conditions which are firmly connected with topic of getting weight. It is entirely possible that people who accept(take part in好些，accept会让人觉得是这些人是接受研究结果而不是被调查者) this study are middle aged, the most likely to gain weight due to their special (加个healthy)characters rather than snoring. Or perhaps they are just people who do office work, and spending most of their time sitting before the computers. As a consequence, it is more easily(是easy) for such people to gain weight than those laborers. In addition, perhaps only a small amount of people accept(一样问题，见上) this study, as a result, no one can insure whether it is representative or not. In short, before the author ruling out other alternatives which causing(是cause) the weight, proving us its authority and representative, he or she cannot take it as a evidence.

In the second place, the argument asserts that people who snore at night will feel tried during the day for just a briefly waking, while giving no persuasive evidence at all. First, without credible information supported by science, we cannot assume the interruption of breathing will lead to tiredness just according to our own common sense. We should know the exact relationship between them, instead of some hasty assumptions. Second, even if the waking at night will result in tiredness, we can (少了not吧？ 你的意思即使疲惫，也不一定由打鼾引起的)contribute this fault to snoring. The situation about other people who do not snore at night should be given to us also. It is probably that these common people have short stops of breathing during night for a few second. Thus, whether snoring or not is not the factor which leading(应是leads) to tiredness, while other crucial causes may exist.

Moreover, no information about diet and exercise situations of people who snore is provided to us. The author mentions that these need less food and more exercise, while failing to consider the current conditions. Maybe they have already done everything well enough and thus we should not require them to do more and more. Then, situations should differ according to different people. It is too absolute for the author to conclude that all people who snore should take his or her suggestion which is completely unsounded.

In a sum, the argument is neither logically sound or persuasive because of lacking direct and sufficient evidence. The author should provide more professional and authoritarian studies to reveal the exact relationship between snoring and tiredness. Additionally, the author should give evidence before concluding the links between snoring and gaining weight.

[ Last edited by win-sz on 2005-11-24 at 12:25 ]

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All those assumptions on which this argument relies may seem reasonable at the first glance, however, after a thorough and carefully analysis, (主句缺少主谓语)turning out rather ungrounded
主语是seem呀,不可以吗

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修改一下：
1，关于study,代表性？受调查人的情况。所以snore 不一定是胖的原因，其他原因。
2，关于运动建议。首先，没有证据表明晚上短暂清醒会导致累。可能他们已经做了很多运动了。如果真的是会觉得累，那脱离医生正确指导下盲目运动也不可取。
3，关于饮食的建议。要提供他们现在的饮食情况。