ISSUE119 【dies in flames】 by winning1030

winning1030UID: 2538401

119"When research priorities are being set for science, education, or any other area, the most important question to consider is: How many people's lives will be improved if the results are successful?"


As far as I'm concerned, what is the most important question to consider varies based on research priorities set in different areas. However, these different questions can essentially boil down to a mutual value orientation- whether the research priorities are deserved, that is to say, whether what benefit we can get from those if the results are successful, is really indispensable and equals what we have given, such as time, manpower, financial resources and other materials, according to the sense of the world of the researchers while how many people's lives will be improved is only one subgroup  involved in the broad category.

Admittedly, how many people's lives will be improved if the results are successful do be a very frequent question to consider as the most important question. Human is committing himself to a better life all the time and hopes to reach a perfect world which could satisfy all the people finally. So researchers more concentrate on how many people 's lives will be improved, rather than whether people can benefit from the results in life with the possibility of a narrow range in many areas, on the basis of the success, for the idea conforms to a common law of human's nature that we want to maximize benefit as far as possible-make the benefit reach more people as it could, which is always regarded as a  so-called standard of worth. Such cases aimed at benefitting numbers of people, even the whole world, are too numerous to mention. In agriculture, for instance, many researchers chose the question as the most important one. Yuan Long ping, a Chinese agriculturalist, whose goal is to greatly solve the food shortage and provide  a solution to the worldwide starvation, first developed hybrid rice in the world and thus earned the title "Father of Hybrid Rice". His achievement made possible the feeding of 22% of the world population on only 7% of the world's total arable land. According to people's nature in pursuit of the maximization of profit, the action of considering how many people's lives will be improved as the most important question is the mainstream at present and will continue in the future, although it is derived from the mutual value orientation of research priorities.

Actually, the most important questions are different in different areas and among different research priorities even in the same areas, but they have the mutual value orientation of research priorities in common. These differences rely on what kind of benefit  we could get from the results according to different goals in each researches. It's not difficult to find that, many researches, in fact, hardly relate to improvement of people's life, especially material life, such as the researches in paleontology. Why do researchers devote so much time, money and other resources without bringing people higher quality of life? The answer is that we can get more knowledge about the origin of life, historic geology and history of the earth, which satisfy human’s curiosity and make for the prospect of the future. Thus, the most important question here is whether a further step is taken to discover the mystery of life and the earth in the researches. Another example is the invention of sonar. As a matter of fact, the first factor promoting the development of sonar is the need for the war, rather than ocean exploration, when three England cruiser were sunk by German U-9 naval vessel in less than 30 minutes with the loss of 1200 navy on 22th in September in 1914, and thus the heavy defeat caused England navy to urge to find a way to detect the army under water. Obviously, its most important question is how to defend itself effectively. Thereby, pondering over the examples above and other such issues in our  society, we can conclude that the most important questions are not unique and depends on their form of benefit, in nature, on the mutual value orientation-whether we really they are must and deserve our efforts.

In sum, my opinion is that the most important question to consider varies based on research priorities set in different areas so that how many people's lives will be improved is one of them. Yet all of their essence is whether the benefit we can get from researches, if the results are successful, is really indispensable and equals our efforts.


没想到trancy童鞋改得这么快。。。我重新改了下我的ISSUE，希望后面的童鞋们看下面我贴的吧，我把逻辑链清理了下~~~
As far as I'm concerned, what is the most important question to consider varies based on research priorities set in different areas. However, these different questions can essentially boil down to a mutual value orientation- whether the research priorities are deserved, that is to say, whether what benefit we can get from those if the results are successful, is really indispensable and equals what we have given, such as time, manpower, financial resources and other materials, according to the sense of the world of the researchers while how many people's lives will be improved is only one subgroup involved in the broad category.

Admittedly, how many people's lives will be improved if the results are successful do be a very frequent question to consider as the most important question. Human is committing himself to a better life all the time and hopes to reach a perfect world which could satisfy all the people finally. So researchers more concentrate on how many people's lives will be improved, rather than whether people can benefit from the results in life with the possibility of a narrow range in many areas, on the basis of the success, for the idea conforms to a common law of human's nature that we want to maximize benefit as far as possible-make the benefit reach more people as it could, which is always regarded as a
so-called standard of worth. Such cases aimed at benefitting numbers of people, even the whole world, are too numerous to mention. In agriculture, for instance, many researches chose the question as the most important one. Yuan Long ping, a Chinese agriculturalist, whose goal is to greatly solve the food shortage and provide a solution to the worldwide starvation, first developed hybrid rice in the world and thus earned the title "Father of Hybrid Rice". His achievement made possible the feeding of 22% of the world population on only 7% of the world's total arable land. According to people's nature in pursuit of the maximization of profit, the action of considering how many people's lives will be improved as the most important question is the mainstream at present and will continue in the future in most cases.


Actually, the most important questions are different in different areas and among different research priorities even in the same areas. These differences rely on what kind of benefit could we get from the results according to different goals in each researches. It's not difficult to find that, many researches, in fact, hardly relate to improvement of people's life, especially material life, such as the researches in paleontology. Why do researchers devote so much time, money and other resources without bringing people higher quality of life? The answer is that we can get more knowledge about the origin of life, historic geology and history of the earth, which satisfy human’s curiosity. Thus, the most important question here is whether a further step is taken to discover the mystery of life and the earth in the researches. Another example is the invention of sonar. As a matter of fact, the first factor promoting the development of sonar is the need for the war, rather than ocean exploration, when three England cruiser were sunk by German U-9 naval vessel in less than 30 minutes with the loss of 1200 navy on 22th in September in 1914, and thus the heavy defeat caused England navy to urge to find a way to detect the army under water. Obviously, its most important question was how to defend itself effectively. Thereby,from above, we can't draw a hasty conclusion that the most questions are unique in all circumstances but depends on their kinds of benefit because in each area, human may desire various benefit which results in different questions to choose as the most vital one.


Pondering over the examples above and similar cases in our society , we can conclude that although the most important questions are not the same on the surface, in nature, they have the mutual value orientation of research priorities in common -whether we really eager to have the benefit the researches could create and deserve our efforts. What human longs for is all kinds of benefit which is not limited to one question- how many people's lives will be improved, so that it brings about all sorts of researches which interest the researchers. Consequently, research priorities are being set with different questions but a mutual value orientation, only if human thinks he can get what he want sand all efforts are worthy.

In sum, my opinion is that the most important question to consider varies based on research priorities set in different areas so that how many people's lives will be improved is one of them. Yet all of their essence is whether the benefit we can get from researches, if the results are successful, is really indispensable and equals our efforts.

tracywlzUID: 2522388

119"When research priorities are being set for science, education, or any other area, the most important question to consider is: How many people's lives will be improved if the results are successful?"


As far as I'm concerned, what is the most important question to consider varies based on research priorities set in different areas. However, these different questions can essentially boil down to a mutual value orientation- whether the research priorities are deserved, that is to say, whether what benefit we can get from those if the results are successful, is really indispensable and equals what we have given, such as time, manpower, financial resources and other materials, according to the sense of the world of the researchers while how many people's lives will be improved is only one subgroup  involved in the broad category.

Admittedly, how many people's lives will be improved if the results are successful do be a very frequent question to consider as the most important question. Human is committing himself to a better life all the time and hopes to reach a perfect world which could satisfy all the people finally. So researchers more concentrate on how many people 's lives will be improved, rather than whether people can benefit from the results in life with the possibility of a narrow range in many areas, on the basis of the success, for the idea conforms to a common law of human's nature that we want to maximize benefit as far as possible-make the benefit reach more people as it could, which is always regarded as a  so-called standard of worth. Such cases aimed at benefitting numbers of people, even the whole word, are too numerous to mention. In agriculture, for instance, many researches chose the question as the most important one. Yuan Long ping, a Chinese agriculturalist, whose goal is to greatly solve the food shortage and provide  a solution to the worldwide starvation, first developed hybrid rice in the world and thus earned the title "Father of Hybrid Rice". His achievement made possible the feeding of 22% of the world population on only 7% of the world's total arable land. According to people's nature in pursuit of the maximization of profit, the action of considering how many people's lives will be improved as the most important question is the mainstream at present and will continue in the future, although it is derived from the mutual value orientation of research priorities.

Actually, the most important questions are different in different （可以换词哈）areas and among different research priorities even in the same areas, but they have the mutual value orientation of research priorities in common. These differences rely on what kind of benefit could we get from the results according to different goals in each researches. It's not difficult to find that, many researches, in fact, hardly relate to improvement of people's life, especially material life, such as the researches in paleontology. Why do researchers devote so much time, money and other resources without bringing people higher quality of life? The answer is that we can get more knowledge about the origin of life, historic geology and history of the earth, which satisfy human’s curiosity.（我觉得这个说服力还不足，我们之所以想要了解过去，是希望通过事物间的联系来指导现在，预测未来，好奇心只是很小的一方面~） Thus, the most important question here is whether a further step is taken to discover the mystery of life and the earth in the researches. Another example is the invention of sonar. As a matter of fact, the first factor promoting the development of sonar is the need for the war, rather than ocean exploration, when three England cruiser were sunk by German U-9 naval vessel in less than 30 minutes with the loss of 1200 navy on 22th in September in 1914, and thus the heavy defeat caused England navy to urge to find a way to detect the army under water. Obviously, its most important question is how to defend itself effectively. Thereby, pondering over the examples above and other such issues in our  society, we can conclude that the most important questions are not unique and depends on their form of benefit, in nature, on the mutual value orientation-whether we really they are（这句话语法有问题啊） must and deserve our efforts.

In sum, my opinion is that the most important question to consider varies based on research priorities set in different areas so that how many people's lives will be improved is one of them. Yet all of their essence is whether the benefit we can get from researches, if the results are successful, is really indispensable and equals our efforts.
感觉文字功底需要提高~~例子找得还不错，分析需要跟透彻，有说服力，先要可以说服自己，才能说服ETS..而且你的观点是我们给予了什么就可以得到什么，好像有点偏题。我觉得应该是当对研究投资时，在什么问题是应该考虑的，或者说能否考虑。
ps:我说的也许有些偏驳，你不赞同就告诉我哈。

winning1030UID: 2538401

2# tracywlz

我觉得我的主旨被你误读了。我的主旨是：我们在选取最重要的问题时，虽然表面上提出来的问题不一样，但是实质上，他们是有一个共同的抉择标准的，即这些研研究是否值得我们去作为研究的重点——从这些研究中我们能否获得那些我们认为是不可缺少的利益，我们的付出是值得的。而how many people's life will be improved 只是从这个共同的体系中的一个子集。
同时，请同学注意读题，题目明确指出了if the results are successful这个前提的假设条件，全文是基于实验成功来谈最重要的问题是什么，也是我们行文的前提。而不是你认为的，我的主旨是说我们做了什么就能获得什么。

最后同学指出的写得比较偏，个人比较反对。因为偶和草木斑斑讨论过，斑斑支持这样的写法。而且指出，如果写到研究的可行性问题上，或许有点篇。

PS 谢谢同学的修改。之于所指出的错误的语法句子，我想说明下，那个must是名词，表示必须物的东西。字典里常用其名词的单数形式，我就没查到复数形式就直接拿来用了。我也觉得不妥，所以在后一次修改我就换别的词了。
其实你说满足人类好奇心那个我知道还有多种可能，没写只所以是懒了。。。二是怕如果那样写，可以扯到可以提高大多数人们生活（长远来看），这对我的主旨是很有威胁性的，所以衡量下，还是不写了。但是，我会好好想想怎么写，既不显得那个好奇心的理由单薄，又可以不威胁我的主题。

tracywlzUID: 2522388

你的这篇的确很有特色~~但是我觉得issue就是要说服看文章的人，我不能被你所提供的例子所说服。我觉得我们主要在这句话上有歧义~whether what benefit we can get from those if the results are successful, is really indispensable and equals what we have given, 我觉得你仅仅是在如果成功了我们可以得到的层次上说的，而那个文章是要求探讨how many people's lives will be improved~也许我还不是很熟悉issue,但是我还是觉得这里有点不妥，等我提高功底后再来继续看你的这篇咯，说不定就会产生共鸣了~~

winning1030UID: 2538401

4# tracywlz

再次强调读题，注意到提高人们生活质量后面的限定了吗，if the results are successful.题目把提高生活质量作为最重要的问题，本身就是在如果研究成功的基础上得出来的。所以，在行文时，你所认为的最重要的问题也是基于考虑如果研究成功这个前提上的。

archaeologyUID: 2598252

As far as I'm concerned, what is the most important question to consider varies based on research priorities set in different areas. However, these different questions can essentially boil down to a mutual value orientation- whether the research priorities are deserved, that is to say, whether what benefit we can get from those if the results are successful, is really indispensable and equals what we have given, such as time, manpower, financial resources and other materials, according to the sense of the world of the researchers while how many people's lives will be improved is only one subgroup involved in the broad category.

Admittedly, how many people's lives will be improved if the results are successful do be a very frequent question to consider as the most important question. Human is committing himself to a better life all the time and hopes to reach a perfect world which could satisfy all the people finally. So researchers more( more和后面的rather than，我觉得一起用别扭) concentrate on how many people's lives will be improved, rather than whether people can benefit from the results in life with the possibility of a narrow range in many areas, on the basis of the success, for the idea conforms to a common law of human's nature that we want to maximize benefit as far as possible-make the benefit reach more people as it could, which is always regarded as a so-called standard of worth.（好长的句子，容易出错） Such cases aimed at benefitting numbers of people, even the whole world, are too numerous to mention. In agriculture, for instance, many researches chose the question as the most important one. Yuan Long ping, a Chinese agriculturalist, whose goal is to greatly solve the food shortage and provide a solution to the worldwide starvation, first developed hybrid rice in the world and thus earned the title "Father of Hybrid Rice". His achievement made possible the feeding of 22% of the world population on only 7% of the world's total arable land. According to people's nature in pursuit of the maximization of profit, the action of considering how many people's lives will be improved as the most important question is the mainstream at present and will continue in the future in most cases.


Actually, the most important questions are different in different areas and among different research priorities even in the same areas. These differences rely on what kind of benefit could we get from the results according to different goals in each researches.（小错误） It's not difficult to find that, many researches, in fact, hardly relate to improvement of people's life, especially material life, such as the researches in paleontology. Why do researchers devote so much time, money and other resources without bringing people higher quality of life? The answer is that we can get more knowledge about the origin of life, historic geology and history of the earth, which satisfy human’s curiosity. Thus, the most important question here is whether a further step is taken to discover the mystery of life and the earth in the researches. Another example is the invention of sonar. As a matter of fact, the first factor promoting the development of sonar is the need for the war, rather than ocean exploration, when three England cruiser were sunk by German U-9 naval vessel in less than 30 minutes with the loss of 1200 navy on 22th in September in 1914, and thus the heavy defeat caused England navy to urge to find a way to detect the army under water. Obviously, its most important question was how to defend itself effectively. Thereby, from above, we can't draw a hasty conclusion that the most questions are unique in all circumstances but depends on their kinds of benefit because in each area, human may desire various benefit which results in different questions to choose（to be chosen？） as the most vital one.（个人感觉这一句有一些单复数上的小毛病）


Pondering over the examples above and similar cases in our society , we can conclude that although the most important questions are not the same on the surface, in nature, they have the mutual value orientation of research priorities in common -whether we really eager to have the benefit the researches could create and deserve our efforts. What human longs for is all kinds of benefit which is not limited to one question- how many people's lives will be improved, so that it brings about all sorts of researches which interest the researchers. Consequently, research priorities are being set with different questions but a mutual value orientation, only if human thinks he can get what he want sand all efforts are worthy.（没看懂）

In sum, my opinion is that the most important question to consider varies based on research priorities set in different areas so that how many people's lives will be improved is one of them. Yet all of their essence is whether the benefit we can get from researches, if the results are successful, is really indispensable and equals our efforts.

archaeologyUID: 2598252

winning你好，我跟你是作文互改一组的。我是作文新手，刚入道没几天，i119是我的第一篇，所以我的有些看法可能是不对的，你参考一下就行了。我觉得你作文用词挺丰富的，好些词组我还得查字典，呵呵，你这篇作文写了800多字，我觉得应该再精简一下，去掉一些不重要的可有可无的句子好一点。

cjluUID: 2448066

Actually, the most important questions are different in different areas and among different research priorities even in the same areas.（这句话有太多different了。虽然意思表达的很清晰，可是如果再使用一些诸如vary from之类的会不会好一些呢^^） These differences rely on what kind of benefit could we get from the results according to different goals in each researches. It's not difficult to find that, many researches, in fact, hardly relate to improvement of people's life, especially material life, such as the researches in paleontology. Why do researchers devote so much time, money and other resources without bringing people higher quality of life? The answer is that we can get more knowledge about the origin of life, historic geology and history of the earth, which satisfy human’s curiosity. （相当精彩）Thus, the most important question here is whether a further step is taken to discover the mystery of life and the earth in the researches. Another example（这个例子感觉有点唐突，因为根据读者的预期，下面的例子应当是与探究真理有关的，可是Sonar好像是另一个论据的例子了） is the invention of sonar. As a matter of fact, the first factor promoting the development of sonar is the need for the war, rather than ocean exploration, when three England cruiser were sunk by German U-9 naval vessel in less than 30 minutes with the loss of 1200 navy on 22th in September in 1914, and thus the heavy defeat caused England navy to urge to find a way to detect the army under water. Obviously, its most important question was how to defend itself effectively. Thereby,from above, we can't draw a hasty conclusion that the most questions are unique in all circumstances but depends on their kinds of benefit because in each area, human may desire various benefit which results in different questions to choose as the most vital one.（个人感觉这个例子其实可以不用这么详细，只要摘出和想要论证的东西一致的部分就可以了，否则感觉有点散漫^^）
因为其他段都没什么标注，所以就只贴了这一段
整篇文章挺不错的，大部分语言相当流畅明白。而且诸如一些转折词之类也使用不错，并不让人感觉生硬。^^
我想winning的主要观点应该是世界是联系的整体，未必现在没用的就没用，大家最后总会殊途同归。不知道我理解的对不对？
然后几个方面就是1.支持要使大多数人受益 2.人类研究存在的目的不仅仅是为了提高自己的生活质量，还有探索未知和真理3.发明是可以从小众造福大众的，即使它最初的目的并不在于此。
真的很喜欢第二个观点，因为我一直有一个这样模糊的想法，一直就没有想清楚~ -_-!所以很有蓦然回首灯火阑珊的感觉^^谢谢winning让我清晰了这个观点。
前面几段整体来说都很不错，就是我觉得在那个声纳的例子那里开始有点混乱了……因为感觉很突兀，我不知道你想要论述什么，一头雾水的看完例子才发现哦，原来是这样。（当然也有可能是我理解偏了^^欢迎指正~~我个人觉得其实还是先把论点摆出来再加例子比较好。然后就是那个例子过于详细了，其实列举出来一大堆伤亡数据对你要论述的观点又有什么直接的意义呢？
其他蛮不错的，学习了^^不当之处请指正！

cjluUID: 2448066

发了两遍……对不起 就当水了^^

winning1030UID: 2538401

7# archaeology
其实我写作文都是字典不离手的。。。查了蛮多词的，所以不要太高估我。偶也是弱弱的新手。。。
那句语法确实有问题，后来编辑的时候出了点错，我作文先拿word改了一遍，后来贴上去后，又稍微看了下，估计改出了问题。谢谢指正哈~~
说道字数问题，确实超标，因为我觉得现阶段主要练思路嘛，当然要竭尽所能的去说理（我注意到我例子解释太长了，这是要改的），后期再精简，否则一开始就没得说，后面精简的余地就很少了。
那个more和rather than的问题提得很好。接受了！
个人观点。

winning1030UID: 2538401

8# cjlu
电脑没电了。。。。明天接着把下面得内容补上~

我觉得我的主旨和你理解的有些出入。我把我的提纲列下吧，希望能清晰些。
1.主旨，虽然表面看来，很多领域的研究的最重要的问题是不一样的，但其实都有一个共同的价值取向作为最重要问题提出的标志，这些问题都可以归附于——我们为从这些研究中获得的利益而付出是否值得，即这些利益是否是人类不可缺少的，并且和我们的付出是等值的（等值我没有解释，其实还要加些衡量标准，我是想把大众VS小众，长期VS近期，都归于“值得”这个范畴里面去。我感觉我可能没有直接点明，给大家造成主旨不很明确的感觉，我需要改进下）

winning1030UID: 2538401

2.承认把how many people' life will be improved as the most important question 是在科研中的常事。
3.但是，在不同领域里，甚至同一个领域里不同的研究课题之间，最重要的问题是不同的。这取决于我们在这些领域或者是研究中所要得到的利益的性质。那么， 有些时候，这些最重要的问题就和提高人们生活水平是不大相关的了。在这里，我来解释下我的2个例子的问题。我之所以举了古生物学和声纳的例子，就是想提供在不同的领域（甚至是时代），我们对利益的需求是不一样的。古生物学时为了....的需要，而声纳是为了....的需要，都和人们生活质量无关。
不过，问下clju童鞋的意见，我是否只举其中一个例子就可以了呢？或者把声纳的例子换成一个在第一段或者此段提到的同一个领域的一个不是以how many people' life will be improved 作为最xx的例子，毕竟我耳朵第二个分论点有提到“甚至同一个领域里不同的研究课题之间，最重要的问题是不同的”？不过，这个例子我还没找到，如果可以的话，可以帮我想想吗？~~~谢谢哈~~~
3.从以上分析，归纳出xxxxx（把第一段改写下）

童鞋，这样看偶的提纲，是不是和你理解的不太一样？你有什么意见吗？我觉得我写的和大家不太一样，所以想多听听意见。我的想法有时有点偏。。。。

cjluUID: 2448066

Winning亲（可以这么叫吧？^^），我大概归纳了一下，你想写大众vs小众，长期vs短期，不同领域之间的联系，其中还牵扯到等值不等值的问题。而你有没有发现，这些问题相互之间几乎都是并列关系，这样必然导致主旨不集中。或者说你可以为它们找到一个递进之类的关系，这样大概会更好一些。就是不要撒面太广，毕竟只是一个600字左右的文章。这样的文章在我看来“纵”比“横”更好。^^
声纳的例子感觉不像是在证明你的论点，我觉得不写其实也不会造成什么影响，写了反而会让人有一种云里雾里的感觉。要不就再加一个分论点，可是那样文章就太长了，所以我建议还是把这个例子去了。毕竟我们不能为了举例子而举例子不是^^
然后你说不同时代对利益的要求是不同的，这又扯到另一个问题去了……如果组织好的话其实真的是一个很好的观点。你每个分论点都不错，我认为现在重要的就是怎么让它们有机的组合在一起。举个例子就是五官都很精致，只要让它们在一张脸上排好位置，那绝对惊世骇俗。^^
还有你让我想的那个例子我也还想不出来……Orz对不起了啊
感觉你提纲挺不错的，每一块引申开了都很不错，只要有机的组织起来就非常好了。然后扣住关键词的话，只要不跑题，什么样的想法其实都是好想法。^^
有什么问题我们再交流哈^^

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13# cjlu
亲，你这样叫我很高兴的哒~~~
很谢谢你的回复，我结合你的回复和我的提纲又看了一遍，觉得虽然我的主旨里想包涵长期VS近期，大众VS小众等问题，但并没有在文章中表现出来。结果就是写之前壮志勃勃，下笔的时候没表现出来，写出来的东西只停留在“值不值得”这个判断标准上，而这个又没有好好发挥。因为照我那个纠结的主旨，我的第三段就要把小众和大众，长期和远期都表现出来，而我的第三段却只表明了，很多利益不是以大多数人受众来衡量的。而长期和短期的就被忽略了。应该再改改。

确实，这样的范围太广，600字拿下它太不可能。关于你说的“横”和“纵”，我也考虑下，因为我觉得可以2个都可以，但确实递进的关系显得层次更清晰。只是我个人价值观认为有些因素确实是平行的。
那个例子，我从lulu的日志里扫到一个，胃癌和胃炎。同一个医学领域，明显胃炎的发病率更高，如果治愈能够福泽更多的人。但是胃癌对病人的影响更大，致死，致残等等。。。/

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嗯，就像你说的，确实能感觉出来你想写的很多，思路也有了。就是没法展开。因为想写的太多了，600字根本写不过来。与其这样，我觉得还不如抓住一点往深了说，那样也许效果更好一些呢^^
你说的例子貌似也挺好的 呵呵^^
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