ISSUE157 by "大洋彼岸之风"_Virtual_Pro

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ISSUE157 - "There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires."

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TIME: 01:23:35

DATE: 2009-6-15 22:23:32

The speaker asserts that all observation is subjective, and it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires. In other words, there is no such thing as purely objective observation. I totally disagree with this statement. Although the observer's expectations or desires may influence some observation results, not all observations do so.

First and foremost, we should distinguish objective form subjective. In philosophy, there is no clearly definiton of subjective and objective, however, a general accepted proposition is that to be objectively true when its truth conditions are "mind-independent" - that is not the result of any judgments made by a conscious entity. Then we can infer that, if there is an observation that independent to the observer, the observation is objective, and therefore the objective observation exists. Otherwise, there is no objective observation. Further analysis of the concept "mind-independent" tell us that
if there is an observation that all observers will give the same result, it is consequently an objective observation.

Then we come to the question: is there an observation that all observers will give the same result? Before answer the question, we could again notice the speaker's words with respect to observaton. The speaker pointed out that the expectations or desires always guided the observation and implicated that this guide will influence the observation result. However, in many cases, this kind of influence little. We could easily give some examples that show the same observation result from different observers despite their various expectation or disires. If we put no matter how many observers on the equater of the earth, they will observe that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, no matter what directions the observers expect or desire. Similarlly, if an A is longer than object B, then the observers, who use the same measure instrument and right mesure method, will observe the same result that the length of A is greater then that of B regardless of his expectations or desires. Therefore, we could conclude that there is some observations that is independent to observer's mind, that are the objective observations.

However, if the speaker constrain the observations into a smaller subcategory, I will agree with him/her.There is a kind of observation that relate to the judgement by observer. For example, if we organize a group of observers to observe whether a painting is beautiful, once the number of observers is enough large, there must be different observation results. Thus, because of the subjectivity of human mind, the observation concerning with the individual human judgement will be subjective.

To summarize this issue, we could conclude that there is objective observation which is independent to observer, while the observation will no longer be objective once it is related to individual human judgment.

sakuraanneUID: 2253519

The speaker asserts that all observation is subjective, and it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires. In other words, there is no such thing as purely objective observation. I totally disagree with this statement. Although the observer's expectations or desires may influence some observation results, not all observations do so.开头很清晰，不过稍显模板化。但话说回来，起步阶段先追求表意清晰才是最重要的，这样不错。

First and foremost, we should distinguish objective form subjective. In philosophy, there is no clearly definiton（definition） of subjective and objective, however, a general accepted proposition is that to be objectively true when its truth conditions (?)
are "mind-independent" - that is not the result of any judgments made by a conscious entity(看不懂这句话). Then we can infer that, if there is an observation that independent to the observer, the observation is objective, and therefore the objective observation exists. Otherwise, there is no objective observation. Further analysis of the concept "mind-independent"( mind-independent concept) tell(tells) us that if there is an observation that all observers will give the same result, it is consequently an objective observation.

Then we come to the question: is there an observation that all observers will give the same result?（an observation that all observers will give the same result不等于purely objective observation吧，这个是上一段一步步退出来的，在推的过程中就要注意偏题的危险。） Before answer the question, we could again notice the speaker's words with respect to observaton（！）. The speaker pointed out that the expectations or desires always guided the observation and implicated that this guide will influence the observation result. However, in many cases, this kind of influence （is） little. We could easily give some examples that show the same observation result from different observers despite their various expectation or disires（！）. If we put no matter how many observers on the equater（！） of the earth, they will observe that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, no matter what directions the observers expect or desire. Similarlly（！）, if an A is longer than object B, then the observers, who use the same measure instrument and right mesure（！） method, will observe the same result that the length of A is greater then that of B regardless of his expectations or desires. Therefore, we could conclude that there is（！） some observations that is independent to observer's mind, that are the objective observations.

However, if the speaker constrain（！constrains） the observations into a smaller subcategory, I will agree with him/her.There is a kind of observation that relate to the judgement（！） by observer. For example, if we organize a group of observers to observe whether a painting is beautiful, once the number of observers is enough large, there must be different observation results. Thus, because of the subjectivity of human mind, the observation concerning with the individual human judgement（！） will be subjective.

To summarize this issue, we could conclude that there is objective observation which is independent to observer, while the observation will no longer be objective once it is related to individual human judgment.
根本没有贴到word里检查拼写和语法错误，惨不忍睹。行文完全缺乏深入思考，泛泛而谈。题目讨论的是没有purely objective observation，并不是说没有objective observation。即使观察既定事实也可以把同样长的线看成不一样长，流于表面地说观察事实就是objective observation，欣赏艺术就subjective，太浅了。

题目本意更注重讨论没有完全客观的观察。我的观点是赞同，但是可以通过某些手段使描述更客观公正，比如好的新闻要陈述事实，呈现多种观点，并且通过一定写作技巧达到最大程度的客观。欣赏艺术品也可以尽量做到多吸取不同的见解以丰富自我。

我批的狠了点，请见谅，但这样的文章确实不行，希望lz对自己适当提高要求，不要一写完就痛苦地扔在一边，能到word里改一遍基础错误是基本要求。第二段讲哲学的有点不知所云--好像是同主题里拿来的观点，但是和后面一段接的不是很好，让我一直都没法改下去。批改时间的拖延请多见谅。

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非常感谢斑竹忍受着我这篇问题多多的issue仔细批改。
对于word的拼写检查问题，我之前每篇文章都做了。这一篇实际上是进行了一次模考，我想看看自己现在的水平到底在什么样的情况，才冒昧请版主批改。
另外，虽然可能有偏颇或者存在问题的地方，但是这一篇肯定没有参考同主题的破题思路。我觉得如何破题是一种锻炼，所以我都在写好后去看同主题的内容。
下面我会好好修改这篇文章，如果可以，麻烦斑竹再帮我看一次。
让斑竹大人难受了，sorry！