issue87 新手与老手 [已经修改] 同主题，欢迎互拍，hoho：）

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TOPIC: ISSUE87 - "In any field of inquiry, the beginner is more likely than the expert to make important discoveries."
WORDS: 703          TIME: 00:45:00 + 15 Min           DATE: 2006-7-31


When we are asked the question, it is the beginner or the expert more likely to make important discoveries in inquiring, most people, including the author, may give a hasty answer failing to see the inherent merits and shortcomings in both of them. However, in my observation, it is unfairly to put us in such a dilemma; instead, I deem that both the beginner and expert should be attached same importance.

For one thing, consider the beginner, who is enthusiastic in making some achievements, who is creative in working, who is energetic in attitude, and who is also insufficient in experience. When entering a new area, everything common to insiders extremely arouses those greenhands' curiosity. Therefore, guided by their precious curiosities, greenhands continue adsorbing and assimilating everything interesting and useful, mingling the existed knowledge and new learned knowledge together, and subsequently transforming the combined knowledge into infinite power to making discoveries. It is never hard for us to identify such examples around us. Nash, the American mathematician who won the Nobel Prize for Economics, was completely a new guy to the economics area. However, by creatively applying the mathematics into the economic, the Game Theory of great significance came into being, which greatly propelled the economic area forward. Obviously, the fresh ideas, the enthusiastic, as well as other merits all help the greenhands make lots of achievements. However, those splendid successes do not disguise greenhand's inherent shortcomings, a typical one of which is the short in experience. Due to the lack of experience, most of the beginners are not able even to find the door to the success, not mentioning the success itself. So, in short, while we cherish the obvious merits of beginner, we cannot neglect their deficiencies.

For anther thing, consider the expert, who is experience, who is knowledgeable, who is sedate, and who is also less willing to try new ideas. As an expert, as we know, he/she must be a successful individual in a particular area. After achieving some honorable achievements, most of them may lose their passion in inquiring more truth underlying the area despite there still exist some unsolved problems. On the contrary, honored and respected by other people, they are fond of maintaining the current status rather than going any further. As a saying goes, a life of ease make people soft. When it comes to the some of renowned experts, it is equally applied without exception. An telling example is Newton. Hardly can anyone argue he was not knowledgeable or experience, considering the tremendous discoveries in various areas. However, in his late life, he seems to get tired of exploring new discoveries; instead, he changed his concern to mysterious alchemy and theology. Nevertheless, aside from those extreme situations, I concede that the experts are all experienced. All of them are equipped with profound knowledge, which are especially helpful in making discoveries. Einstein, Picasso, as well other individuals who are considered as success, most of whom have long been the tireless learners in certain particular areas, and after making achievements, they then become the experts. Accordingly, the implication of such experts is that the advantages of experts accelerate their speed for success, while the shortcomings may inhibit their longing.

So, taking two aspects into consideration, a coordinate marriage of beginner and expert is a sound way to make discoveries, rather than emphasizing any of them. To this point, it is necessary, even desirable, for an individual to be a beginner and an expert simultaneously. Indeed, this sounds somewhat paradoxical. In fact, I mean anyone who want to make some discoveries, should learn the merits of beginner and experts, not themselves, which is curious and vigorous like a beginner in learning and working, sedate and intelligent in solving problems. In this way, can an individuals become a well-round individual, a combination of beginner's and expert's merits. Needless to say, it is the person who is most likely to make discoveries too.

In sum, taking the merits of faults of both beginner and expert into account, never can we assert any of them could be likely to achieve a success. Instead, the person who can really make discoveries, are always the person who have the merits of beginner and expert, no matter he/she is actually a beginner or expert in certain area.

[ 本帖最后由 dicmi 于 2006-8-1 23:14 编辑 ]

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When we are asked the question, it is the beginner or the expert more likely to make important discoveries in inquiring,这个句式不对，whether the beginner or expert is more... most people, including the author, may give a hasty answer failing to see the inherent merits and shortcomings in both of them. However, in my observation, it is unfairly to put us in such a dilemma;个人认为你这个dilemma的前提不应该建立在merits and shortcomings上，作者的观点很明确，是支持beginner的 instead, I deem that both the beginner and expert should be attached same importance. 这样的开头让我很困惑，为什么你认为作者的观点是put us in such a dilemma呢？Dilemma is a situation in which a choice must be made from among different alternatives; a difficult or complex set of circumstances.如果你觉得需要在beginner和expert之间做出选择的话那是不是和你的both the beginner and expert should be attached same importance相矛盾了?


For one thing, consider the beginner, who is enthusiastic in making some achievements, who is creative in working, who is energetic in attitude, and who is also insufficient in experience.一个很精彩的排比句，可惜没有主句，省略了我/我们consider，那后面是否要用一个主句来阐述一下自己的观点？consider...,who...., however, they are insufficient in.... When entering a new area, everything common to insiders extremely arouses those greenhands' curiosity. Therefore, guided by their precious去掉 curiosities, greenhands continue adsorbing and assimilating everything interesting and useful, mingling the existed knowledge and new learned knowledge together, and subsequently transforming the combined knowledge into infinite power to making discoveries.新的发现即创新分为两种：原始创新和积累创新＝creativity and originality你认为新手具备的是哪一种呢？ It is never hard for us to identify such examples around us. Nash, the American mathematician who won the Nobel Prize for Economics, was completely a new guy to the economics area. However, by creatively applying the mathematics into the economic, the Game Theory of great significance came into being,又是主语的问题，by applying的主语是Nash,他老人家自然要在后面出现啦，he made ....come into being/he gave rise to .... which greatly propelled the economic area forward. Obviously, the fresh ideas, the enthusiastic, as well as other merits all help the greenhands make lots of achievements. However, those splendid successes do not disguise greenhand's inherent shortcomings, a typical one of which is the short inthe shortness of experience. Due to the lack of experience, most of the beginners are not able even to find the door to the success,你在前面刚提到新手具有those splendid successes，这里却说他们连成功的门都找不到，是不是有点自相矛盾了呢？建议你看看同主题31楼的分析，她的第三点。not able to find the door of success, why?你这里说的太抽象了，应该具体论证 not mentioning the success itself. So, in short, while we cherish the obvious merits of beginner, we cannot neglect their deficiencies. 这段的TS不完整，缺乏相应的比较，Nash的例子固然没错，但是更适合于issue4而不是这题，还有，该具体论述的地方不要写的太抽象

For anther thing, consider the expert, who is experience, who is knowledgeable, who is sedate, and who is also less willing to try new ideas.和上面一段的TS毛病一样，不多说了 As an expert, as we know, he/she must be a successful individual in a particular area. After achieving some honorable achievements换一个次可否？, most of them may lose their passion in inquiring more truth underlying the area despite there用where still exist some unsolved problems. On the contrary, honored and respected by other people, they are fond of maintaining the current status rather than going any further.lose passion and can not go further这两个意群都是在论述专家的缺点的，不够成on the contrary As a saying goes, a life of ease make people soft. When it comes to the去掉 some of renowned experts, it is equally applied without exception. An telling example is Newton. Hardly can anyone argue he was not knowledgeable or experience, considering the tremendous discoveries in various areas. However, in his late life, he seems to get tired of exploring new discoveries; instead, he changed his concernconcerns to mysterious alchemy and theology. Nevertheless, aside from those extreme situations言之过极吧？？, I concede that the experts are all experienced. All of them are equipped with profound knowledge, which are especially helpful in making discoveries. Einstein, Picasso, as well other individuals who are considered as success, most of whom have long been the tireless learners in certain particular areas, and after making achievements, they then become the experts.在取得成就之后成了专家和他们以丰富的知识取得了重要的发现有关系吗？你觉得你的论据这样表述可以有力的支持你的论点吗？ Accordingly, the implication of such experts is that the advantages of experts accelerate their speed for success, while the shortcomings may inhibit their longing.对这句话我不理解，可以问几个问题么？1 implication你怎么理解的？2 advantages换成experience等词，shortcomings换成lacking of ambition可以么？还有，上一段你用一个however转折，把新手的优势过渡到缺点，而他们的缺点正好是专家的优势呀？那这段先说其优点会不会更自然些？同时，这段也缺乏相应的比较

So, taking two aspects into consideration, a coordinate marriage of beginner and expert is a sound way to make discoveries, rather than emphasizing any of them. To this point, it is necessary, even desirable, for an individual to be a beginner and an expert simultaneously. Indeed, this sounds somewhat paradoxical. In fact, I mean anyone who want to make some discoveries, should learn the merits of beginners and experts, not themselves, which iswho is curious and vigorous like a beginner in learning and working, sedate and intelligent in solving problemslike an expert. In this way, can an individualsan individual can become a well-round individual, a combination of beginner's and expert's merits. Needless to say, it is the person who is most likely to make discoveries too.这段的TS很明确，但是后面的论述有些跑题。why? 因为你把重心放到了要具备什么样的merits才可能最大的取得重要发现上,关于这点，你可以看看wwwwwzzz的回答

In sum, taking the merits of faults of both beginner and expert into account, never can we assert any of them could be likely to achieve a success. Instead, the person who can really make discoveries, are always the person who have the merits of beginner and expert, no matter he/she is actually a beginner or expert in certain area.instead后面的总结更是跑题，你在好好想想

anyway，这篇文章在字数和思路上基本符合要求，但是在句式的表达上有不少错误，这种错误式是绝对不能出现在TS里的，第四段新老结合的论证是文章立意的升华，但是你有些跑题了。PS：我说话的语气可能重了些，不要灰心！你的文章4分没问题，继续努力，还有，非常感谢你参加同主题活动！thank you very much!

[ 本帖最后由 jingjingtous 于 2006-8-1 11:53 编辑 ]

清新氧气UID: 2215684

seats taken 粗粗看一下 真的很不错啊 尤其用词,结构方面

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我也占.
水友.....呵呵.

jingjingtousUID: 2164820

原帖由 pewcg8 于 2006-8-1 11:18 发表
我也占.
水友.....呵呵.

小驴子要跟我抢生意呀？呵呵:lol
拉出去宰了，嘻嘻

dicmiUID: 183392

认真学习中。。错误啊。。。错误啊。。。

dicmiUID: 183392

基本上B2，B3完全换掉了，B1做了删减。大调整阿。。。。



TOPIC: ISSUE87 - "In any field of inquiry, the beginner is more likely than the expert to make important discoveries."
WORDS: 581~~~          TIME: 00:45:00 + 15 Min           DATE: 2006-7-31


When we are asked the question, whether the beginner or the expert is more likely to make important discoveries in inquiring, most people, including the author, may hastily assert it is the beginner. However, in my observation, they fail to make a comprehensive comparison between beginner and expert; I deem both of them are of the same chance to make important discoveries.

For one thing, consider the beginner, who is enthusiastic in making some achievements, who is creative in working, who is energetic in attitude, however, they are insufficient in experience.. When entering a new area, everything common to insiders extremely arouses those greenhands' curiosity. Beginners will not troubled by any established boundaries. In their eyes, nothing is impossible actually. It is never hard for us to identify such examples around us. Nash, the American mathematician who won the Nobel Prize for Economics, was completely a new guy to the economics area. However, by creatively applying the mathematics into the economic, Nash gave rise to the Game Theory, which greatly propelled the economics. However, those splendid successes do not disguise greenhand's inherent shortcomings, a typical one of which is the shortness of experience. Hence, the beginners’ success, to some extent, has something about luck involved. Some of the beginners are not lucky enough to success; on the contrary, they consume their time in the endless exploration without the assistance of experience. Therefore, generally speaking, most of the beginner is not very likely to make discoveries due to the lack of experience.

For anther, consider the expert, who is experience, who is knowledgeable, who is sedate, however, they sometimes lack a spirit of creativity. With their experience, their knowledge, as well as their sedateness, they have a great chance to make the discoveries. Consider an experiment. When encountering some problems, compared to the beginner, the expert can make a quick judgment and fix it as soon as possible according to his/her plentiful experience. Moreover, when the beginner comes across some theories difficult to understand, it is a shortcut for them to consult the experts, who have profound knowledge and accordingly can give a clear explanation. As the Newton said, “If I have been able to see further, it was only because I stood on the shoulders of giants”. In some sense, the Newton made unparalleled discoveries which were largely attributed to the experts of the same are in the history. Nevertheless, as experts, they lose their passion as well as the creativity as the time goes by. To this point, the expert seems to be inferior to the beginner. Hence, for this point of view, expert who loses the innovation is not very likely to make any discoveries either.

Thereupon, by virtue of beginner and expert, in order to make achievements, any of them need to learn something that they lack from each other. For the beginner, by consulting the experts, asking them for guidance, discussing with them to solve questions, the greenhand could find an easy way to success. While for the experts, what they lack is the innovation gone with the time. To address the problem, it is a good idea to keep an open mind and positive thinking when encountering some strange facts, instead of judging totally by his/her experience.

In conclusion, it is unfair to differentiate who is more likely to make discoveries, beginner or expert. In fact, by learning from each other, fully utilizing their own merits, both of them have the equal chance to make breakthrough.

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When we are asked the question,[可以去掉] it is the beginner or the expert more likely to make important discoveries in inquiring, most people, including the author, may give a hasty answer failing to see the inherent merits and shortcomings in both of them. However, in my observation, it is unfairly to put us in such a dilemma; instead, I deem that both the beginner and expert should be attached same importance. [觉得开头不够简洁流利, 而且直接用 is ..问句可能会更好吧]

For one thing, consider the beginner, who is enthusiastic in making some achievements, who is creative in working, who is energetic in attitude, and who is also insufficient in experience. When entering a new area, everything common to insiders extremely arouses those greenhands' curiosity. Therefore, guided by their precious curiosities, greenhands continue adsorbing and assimilating everything interesting and useful, mingling the existed knowledge and new learned knowledge together, and subsequently transforming the combined knowledge into infinite power to making discoveries.[其实专家好象也是这样吧,我觉得主要突出CURIOSITY就可以了] It is never hard for us to identify such examples around us. Nash, the American mathematician who won the Nobel Prize for Economics, was completely a new guy to the economics area. However, by creatively applying the mathematics into the economic, the Game Theory of great significance came into being, which greatly propelled the economic area forward. [其实我觉得NASH 不算是严格意义上的新手, 因为他在此前已经在数学领域有成就了 算是其他领域的专家]Obviously, the fresh ideas, the enthusiastic, as well as other merits all help the greenhands make lots of achievements. However, those splendid successes do not disguise greenhand's inherent shortcomings, a typical one of which is the short in experience. Due to the lack of experience, most of the beginners are not able even to find the door to the success, not mentioning the success itself. So, in short, while we cherish the obvious merits of beginner, we cannot neglect their deficiencies.

For anther thing, consider the expert, who is experience, who is knowledgeable, who is sedate, and who is also less willing to try new ideas. As an expert, as we know, he/she must be a successful individual in a particular area. After achieving some honorable achievements, most of them may lose their passion in inquiring more truth underlying the area despite there still exist some unsolved problems. On the contrary,[这是有转折的意思吗?] honored and respected by other people, they are fond of maintaining the current status rather than going any further. As a saying goes, a life of ease make people soft. [这个赞一下!] When it comes to the some of renowned experts, it is equally applied without exception. An telling[这个好] example is Newton. Hardly can anyone argue he was not knowledgeable or experience, considering the tremendous discoveries in various areas. However, in his late life, he seems to get tired of exploring new discoveries; instead, he changed his concern to mysterious alchemy and theology. [这个例子其实也有待商榷,因为这个和当时严峻的环境有关,也与个人兴趣有关,因为以前神学和科学被认为不分家,很多物理学家就因为觉得找不到真理而改学哲学]Nevertheless, aside from those extreme situations, I concede that the experts are all experienced. All of them are equipped with profound knowledge, which are especially helpful in making discoveries. Einstein, Picasso, as well other individuals who are considered as success, most of whom have long been the tireless learners in certain particular areas, and after making achievements, they then become the experts. Accordingly, the implication of such experts is that the advantages of experts accelerate their speed for success, while the shortcomings may inhibit their longing.[balance of view 很好!]

So, taking two aspects into consideration, a coordinate marriage of [呵呵 不错]beginner and expert is a sound way to make discoveries, rather than emphasizing any of them. To this point, it is necessary, even desirable, for an individual to be a beginner and an expert simultaneously. Indeed, this sounds somewhat paradoxical. In fact, I mean anyone who want to make some discoveries, should learn the merits of beginner and experts, not themselves, which is curious and vigorous like a beginner in learning and working, sedate and intelligent in solving problems. In this way, can an individuals become a well-round individual, a combination of beginner's and expert's merits. Needless to say, it is the person who is most likely to make discoveries too. [似乎有点跑题,想请教一下,这个可以算平衡的写法吗? 我也不是很确定,因为不少参考书的提纲都这么写的]

In sum, taking the merits of faults of both beginner and expert into account, never can we assert any of them could be likely to achieve a success. Instead, the person who can really make discoveries, are always the person who have the merits of beginner and expert, no matter he/she is actually a beginner or expert in certain area.

[总体感觉语言不错,例子很新颖, 时间如果限制的话 字数也让我羡慕jingjing点评的已经很好了 我也说点看法,见笑!]

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jingjingtousUID: 2164820

看到了，基本OK！:victory:
对了，上次我写的同主题第三期链接失效是你发现的
这里还要谢谢你，已经改好了！
可惜CRACK GRE TEST那个链接只提供了四篇优秀范文，继续努力吧！^_^

dicmiUID: 183392

赫赫。不客气。应该的：）

继续修改~~