Biomedical Science PhD畢業後大家都可以去哪裡工作

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选项不太对啊，
现实大多数人走的是
1.毕业做Post-Dog，然后千老到干不动为止都申不上AP，退化成Technician，再到退休（实际野心不是太大的人的话这样也不错的，可以过得挺自在逍遥的）。
2.毕业做Post-Dog，然后混到绿卡/或等不及混到绿卡，到发觉自己没希望AP/或者早就不感兴趣了，拿着绿卡转行了。

然后是少部分混到AP，助理教授，再拼Tenure才到Associate Prof.副教授，期间部分被刷下来，重复前面千老部分或者在其他地方再找教职。

混几年博士后之后能进工业界的是最少的，虽然现在血汗工厂多了很多，即使这样还是占最少数。实际可能回国的更少，其中大部分是真混不下去了，不过能拿到BioMed的PhD的，只要咬咬牙总有千老干干。

澄清，我这可不是在劝退或者危言耸听，生物这行过得好不好真的心态很重要，毕竟行业上收入比较低，但好歹千老的工作机会还是不少，4W+的工资虽然不多但是如果双职工能保证稳定在中产，比起真心找不到工作被迫踢回去的，甚至倒霉以前和以后的明明找到工作但是H1B抽签没抽到的，还是比上不足比下有余的，作千老大多没有H1B Cap限制。

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如今返聘回国要求太高了，名校基本都要美国教职经验，除个别以外，很多是Tenure不上的在美国也找不到第二教职的返聘了。当然，人家自己绝对不会说自己是混不下去回去的。

没有美国教职经验的千老们还在玩命弄AP，也有直接回国的，Paper要发得相当好才行了，到那水平都有绿卡了，孩子上学老婆工作了，35+了，也就想努努力再奔美国AP了，回国也是进很一般的地方高校所以诱惑力变小很多。

在国内看起来，貌似返聘的不少，但那是因为只见到返聘的了，但是在所有美国的PhD毕业生中，其实是少数，我在美国也算不少年了吧，只见到一个Tenure不上的回国了，还不是生物医学的，生医的有想回回不去的，但真是好条件返聘回去得暂时还没见到。

当然，拿J1过来镀金的，老婆孩子单位工作都在国内挂着，那8成是要回去的。还有一些土博过来，国内关系挺硬的，也是回去的不少。在美国读PhD的则相对总人数较少了。就像我上面说的，起码在美国还能混，尤其生了孩子，回去就更难了。

小心啊，出来读BioMed的PhD，回不去了的居多啊。

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风起玉沉川 发表于 2013-2-15 13:11
從他這句話來看 AP應該不是副教授吧。。。

AP就是Assistant Professor，我觉得应该翻译成助理教授，打字匆忙可能产生了歧义，Sorry
个人认为国内副教授对应的是Associate Prof.

还有，Tuition Waiver看各个系的政策不同，老板要花的钱不一样，我们这种烂校就很便宜，养一个学生全部花费包括Stipend和Tuition和其他滥七八糟所有才$25000的Budget，（也就是说基本不向老板要Tuition，直接州里面给免大部分了），而养一个博士后要5W+，虽然工资只有4万上下。

一个小型实验室一个R15，一年拿十万，教授自己发自己的Summer工资，外加平时的10%左右，剩下的要么拿5w出来养一个博士后，要么可以养两个学生或者technician，之后实际科研经费就只有2w多点，穷死了。
要么就养一个学生，但劳动力就不够用……
没有RO1很难生存啊，RO1拿到第一个的平均年龄已经40+了，现在搞科研不是大牛的话，都穷死了。

当然，等大家PhD毕业了，奥巴马都下台了，没准经济好了多批点钱，2000年多点那会的辉煌时光能重现也不一定。

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风起玉沉川 发表于 2013-2-15 19:22
NGO是什么？

同问啊，NGO这三字包含的面积老大了，是指的红十字会么？

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风起玉沉川 发表于 2013-2-16 07:51
小白厚著臉皮再問一下哈，什麼是R15，什麼是RO1，還有教授的工資是怎麼回事？
還有我比較關心的一個問 ...

实际这些新生不需要知道得太仔细，这是长远的问题，总之都是Grant的编号，RO1是大多数实验室真正的Grant的来源，身上这个基本上算是实验室一段时间稳定了，然后再想法多拿几个，但竞争异常激烈。

教授的工资是九个月的（教学学期），只有自己拿到Grant才能从Grant里面分出一部分给自己发假期3个月的工资，然后在这之外，在Grant里可以给自己拨款报销自己10%的工资。所以Grant不但是事业基础，也是白花花的银子。

女朋友能不能找到，看你是不是猥琐男，生物猥琐男确实比较多，但是优秀的也很多啊。
钱是少了点，但是也基本都有老婆吧，好歹算是工作比较不容易失业，万一当上Faculty也算体面。当然，拜金姐们咱们还是养不起的。
再说了博士期间就定下来把，等到博士后再找正常都要28-31以上了，太晚了，在外面做这行孤独起来是能毁人的，或者被孤独变成猥琐男。
何况像就俺这样的科研无前途的穷光蛋，孩子都快四岁了，充分说明生物男只要自己不猥琐，穷点也能找到好老婆。

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风起玉沉川 发表于 2013-2-16 07:53
我也不知道，咱們畢業能去什麼醫藥公司做研發麼？

能，但现在黄金时期已过，竞争很激烈，大制药公司收人很谨慎了，很多都要有博士后经验和大paper才要了。

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风起玉沉川 发表于 2013-2-16 10:55
哈哈 謝謝你的耐心解答~~ 你一定是一個優秀、善良、有耐心的生物男~
我不算優秀，不過絕對不猥瑣哈哈。
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善良有耐心对，优秀就根本不挨边了，全靠神保佑。

我曾计划PhD期间考USMLE，并业至今没有放弃，但是先是以我的能力和时间精力，PhD期间无法完成。而且为了家庭经济稳定性，很可俺得快混到绿卡了才能真正申请。总之还是俺能力有限。
至于成功的，那还是很多的，优秀的人很多而且多牛B的都存在。虽然最多的还是要毕业之后薄后或者全职在家才考得出来，或者不拿这点微薄的奖学金，自费读书的话相对自由学习时间多很多，印度人就这么挂一个MPH然后考Board。

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picachu518 发表于 2013-2-16 12:17
其实不用操心就业吧，大不了回国。
只是拿过2000刀一个月奖学金的人，这个工作你愿意做不愿意做了。
...

操不操心就业得看定位和心态，一旦目标瞄准考USMLE了，能和这目标匹配的就业岗位就狭窄很多了。

我老婆今天看也说类似的结论：“想能牵手成功么，快点当医生吧！”，哈哈，还不是催我赶紧把年薪变成20+。

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娘口三三 发表于 2013-2-16 12:59
嗯嗯，NGO下面有很多部门的，不是红十字会~~每个月收入不高，我当时问的是3000元，全部加一起~~而且不是很 ...

给个全称呗？不过3000块的话，很难生活啊，还得啃老。

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medec1993 发表于 2013-10-9 19:34
就算牵手了,过一阵子发现原来医学博士不是临床医生,而且拿着个博士学位找工作比热门专业本科生难、工资也 ...

Most MD do clinical practice. But some focused on research, too.
I do not that a PhD coule be called 医学博士 anyway.
Hehe.

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medec1993 发表于 2013-10-10 11:29
Please refer to floor 24.
Personally, I don't think PhD graduated from medical school can be call ...

From my understand, level 24 refered to MD educated from US medical schools. There are a No. of them and I heard of some showed up in the show he mentioned. But I do not watch it myself.

PhD is PhD
MD is MD
Most chinese people with a title of "MD, PhD" refers to their MD education in China, and PhD education from wherever.
One people only have a BS from like biology and a PhD from US medical school should not be called MD.
But people from China, if clinical medicine more than 5 years, is officially MD equivalent, and is well accepted by both the academy and clinical in US and CA. I guess you know that US MD only trained for 4 years with similar education and knowledge level as Chinese top 15 level medical school gradautes, who has 5 or more years of training.
Well, you can say one has not got enough education and should call himself MB or MBBS, it does not matter. If one got through the residency program, I would call him well trained MD, just my opinion. If not, I can accept that one with "MD" from china to do post-doc, too. As far as he can do the job as good as a PhD.

However, be aware that the US academy has no problem of us giving us a title of MD, why we borther of claiming we are not as good enough? Lots more Indians do call themself MD with no regrets at all.We are indeed as good as,if not better, than all of them.

I would say, just a title without salary bonus. Take it easy.

By the way, ther are a number of MD only professors, who started with clinical but ended with so much funding/or research interests that focused lab work. THey did nice job and earn as much or even more than physicians, too. This week I will have a appoint with one of them, I heard his research work is so busy and he give up clinical appointments and focused on research years ago. But he might be moving to the coast soon. Well, I should be able to learn a lot from him, about the whole career path. Looking forward to it.

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medec1993 发表于 2013-10-10 23:14
Those who can do the MD are rich dudes. 囧. I mean those in the show.

Of course an MBBS can do  ...

The thing matters to me is the what people are trained.
The reason why MBBS is MD, just because the curriculium is EXACTLY the same.
So, it is not MBBS bachelorate, but is training fresh graduate directly to the exactly the same level to MD in US.
Or in short, why the medical students suffer so much with the tight curriculum in China?  It is partially beacuse we are doing the MD training directly without enough basic tainging as a undergradaute. But this does not mean our medical training is not at a high level. Or you can try to say the MD at US is not real doctor. At some level, PhD is considered a terminal and the highest level degree but sometimes MD not.

Also, post gradaute medical education training is post MD graduation but not post bachelor graduation. Most times it is residency training, sometimes post-docs. MD is definately not graduate medical education. Ask a US MD about what Graduate Medical Education is.

Anyway, there are hundreds of Chinese and Indian "MD", or I should say tons of them. Lots of them are world level scientists. I personally know some of them, and some of them are chairs of US medical school clinical departments, and yes their title is MD PhD. So, I will go with how the academy and the whole medical world agree with, instead of judging them by myself who is not qualified to do so.