issue 183, 欢迎指教。有改留链接必回改

zhangjunzjUID: 2658970

TOPIC: ISSUE183 - "As we acquire more knowledge, things do not become more comprehensible, but more complex and more mysterious."
WORDS: 559
TIME: 00:42:02
DATE: 2010/7/7 21:54:36

The speaker asserts that more knowledge do not serve to help us make things more understandable, but rather make it more complex and more mysterious. In my view, although the speaker's assertion seems to be reasonable when it comes to some very limited aspects of human life, I still hold an opposite view against the speaker's assertion.



As human life is limited and therefore it is impossible for us to master every fields of knowledge well, we are required to know and mater some specific and detailed knowledge well in order to take the most advantage of these knowledge rather than learning others in a waste of our valuable time. In this respect, the speaker is on the correct philosophical side of this issue, for the more knowledge we have, the less we master and control well. That's why we need experts and specialists of all fields rather than someone who knows a variety of knowledge to make contribution to our society. Consider, for example, some research suggests that in a man's life of about 100 years includes the time of sleeping and eating everyday, he can only master the knowledge of merely one fields of subject
which account for only 5 percent of that knowledge. In other words, if we spend more time on some other subjects, we are less likely to master each branch of knowledge profoundly and efficiently. Therefore, when it comes to the use of some specific knowledge, we would get more complex and more mysterious because we cannot point out properly which knowledge could be effective in solving specific problems.



However, if we could absorb more knowledge under the circumstance that we indeed master it well instead of just know about it, more knowledge would be useful when it comes to solving practical problems. In our common sense, we can conclude that some additional knowledge or tips will always be helpful in some certain occasions. Consider, for example, if we got lost in a forest during a hike, some specific knowledge might serve to save our lives if we had learned that before, such as, recognize the direction by the north star, finding water by some indicating plants, set up a fire by drilling some dry tree branches, and for forth. Besides, more knowledge could also provide us some other efficient and effective ways in solving specific problems. Some economist today use physical models to describe the dynamic system of economic activities; artists use algebra knowledge to help them constitute the construction of their paintings; sportsman use physical knowledge to help them recover quickly and healthily after training. All the examples above are just some very limited aspects of the utilitarian of more different knowledge, and if we can imagine, almost everything could be done by other means based on other knowledge and thoughts.


In sum, although it is the very fact that as we can not mater all kinds of knowledge well and it would distract our ability to study one field knowledge if we study to much of them and knows it superficially, I still holds my point that more knowledge would be useful under the premise that we master them well instead of just knows bout them narrowly. Moreover, more knowledge could serve to provide us more means and methods to solving pressing problems, and also by more knowledge, we humans get more progress in human advances no matter in economy, arts and other branches of social or scientific fields.






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doraliuUID: 2842061

The speaker asserts that more knowledge do not serve to help us make things more understandable, but rather make it more complex and more mysterious. In my view, although the speaker's assertion seems to be reasonable when it comes to some very limited aspects of human life, I still hold an opposite view against the speaker's assertion.
观点鲜明

As human life is limited and therefore it is impossible for us to master every fields of knowledge well, we are required to know and mater some specific and detailed knowledge well in order to take the most advantage of these knowledge rather than learning others in a waste of our valuable time. In this respect, the speaker is on the correct philosophical side of this issue, for the more knowledge we have, the less we master and control well. That's why we need experts and specialists of all fields rather than someone who knows a variety of knowledge to make contribution to our society. Consider, for example, some research suggests that in a man's life of about 100 years includes the time of sleeping and eating everyday, he can only master the knowledge of merely one fields of subject
which account for only 5 percent of that knowledge. In other words, if we spend more time on some other subjects, we are less likely to master each branch of knowledge profoundly and efficiently. Therefore, when it comes to the use of some specific knowledge, we would get more complex and more mysterious because we cannot point out properly which knowledge could be effective in solving specific problems.
（觉得有点偏题，你的意思是我们要专不要泛，因为时间精力有限，但是专也是acquire more knowledge 啊）


However, if we could absorb more knowledge under the circumstance that we indeed master it well instead of just know about it, more knowledge would be useful when it comes to solving practical problems. In our common sense, we can conclude that some additional knowledge or tips will always be helpful in some certain occasions. Consider, for example, if we got lost in a forest during a hike, some specific knowledge might serve to save our lives if we had learned that before, such as, recognize the direction by the north star, finding water by some indicating plants, set up a fire by drilling some dry tree branches, and for forth. Besides, more knowledge could also provide us some other efficient and effective ways in solving specific problems. Some economist today use physical models to describe the dynamic system of economic activities; artists use algebra knowledge to help them constitute the construction of their paintings; sportsman use physical knowledge to help them recover quickly and healthily after training. All the examples above are just some very limited aspects of the utilitarian of more different knowledge, and if we can imagine, almost everything could be done by other means based on other knowledge and thoughts.

在专的情况下，泛是有好处的


In sum, although it is the very fact that as we can not mater all kinds of knowledge well and it would distract our ability to study one field knowledge if we study to much of them and knows it superficially, I still holds my point that more knowledge would be useful under the premise that we master them well instead of just knows bout them narrowly. Moreover, more knowledge could serve to provide us more means and methods to solving pressing problems, and also by more knowledge, we humans get more progress in human advances no matter in economy, arts and other branches of social or scientific fields

总结说明如果能掌握的好的话，知识越多越好
但是statement是know more does  not help understanding, but make things more complex and mysterious啊， 你先说明我们不可能掌握很多因为时间精力有限，然后说明在专的情况下泛是有好处的，然后说要不是时间精力有限，我们应该掌握更多的知识，这个跟主题有关系么？如果是反对的话
我们要argue的是more knowledge makes things simple啊

chinese_idiotUID: 2854284

哈哈 我记得你哇 LZ

Therefore, when it comes to the use of some specific knowledge, we would get more complex and more mysterious because we cannot point out properly which knowledge could be effective in solving specific problems.
如果没有这句话 我真的没把整个第二段和文章的topic联系起来 感觉你应该是拿那篇专才通才的文章借过来直接用了
如果我是考官 我应该会判你偏题的

figuechenUID: 2850619

占位，明天改

zhangjunzjUID: 2658970

谢谢duraliu 的修改。我的观点是知识的多与否不是导致迷惑和复杂的因素，关键在于对知识的掌握情况。如果对知识都掌握的很好，那么知识越多越好，如果掌握的不好，知识泛泛了解，就会造成迷惑。还有，楼上所说偏题的问题一般不会有，因为基本还是按照那个框架去论证的。

zhangjunzjUID: 2658970

无论如何，谢谢各位的点评，让我又认识到了一些应该注意的问题。

figuechenUID: 2850619

填坑来了

感觉作者切题不够，在两段的主要论述中没有提到越学越理解或者越学越困惑的问题。你讨论的问题大多停留在专才与通才的方面。但其实，无论是学一门还是学好多门，都应该是属于学的范畴，在这篇Issue中不应该对立起来看待。怎么说呢，可以参考一下其他同学的提纲，逻辑性需要加强一下吧。

语言方面的话，有些句子有点语病。比如这句：some research suggests that in a man's life of about 100 years includes the time of sleeping and eating everyday, he can only master the knowledge of merely one fields of subject which account for only 5 percent of that knowledge.        100 years includes这里，显然构成了一个定语从句，应该是100 years which includes。
语句比较单一，可以适当用一些替换词汇。比如the knowledge we have中的have可以换成gain acquire attain之类。也别老是用Consider来作为一个例子的开头，看多了就烦了。多样性是很重要的。

拍得狠了一点，希望作者不要介意啊。祝共同进步~

zhangjunzjUID: 2658970

谢谢

figuechen

点评;但是我想请教一下例子开头写什么好呢？

figuechenUID: 2850619

谢谢点评;但是我想请教一下例子开头写什么好呢？
zhangjunzj 发表于 2010-7-28 20:17

有过一个consider了以后第二个就不要加consider了。。。我都是直接for example for instance的。。。

zhangjunzjUID: 2658970

谢了，figuechen.这是我写46级惯用的，看来还是要简单些

figuechenUID: 2850619

谢了，figuechen.这是我写46级惯用的，看来还是要简单些
zhangjunzj 发表于 2010-7-29 10:24

主要是不要重复就好，用一次没什么关系。老是用一样的表述就感觉缺乏多样性了