发飙了！！！PolyU

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个人背景：一本，GPA 3.4/4.0，国贸专业，自大二开始每个假期都有教学实习，热爱教育行业，有教师资格证书，六级530，雅思6.5（单项不低于6）。
去年12月份递了理工Guidance & Counselling的申请，至今仍然是"application being considered"。从3月底开始陆续和PolyU小秘沟通，直到最后发飙。通信记录如下，有人共鸣也好，有人喷也罢，一种经历，发来分享：

Name: XX
Application No: XXXXX
Programme: MA in Guidance & Counselling

Dear PolyU Officer:
First of all, I am sorry to bother you at this busy moment. Somehow I am experiencing a really struggling time, I have to ask you for a little favor if it's possible.

The fact is that I received an offer from the University of York in March, but I have still been waiting for yours since it's highly prefered. however, the deadline of acceptance is soon being reached, which is the 3rd of May, I can't take the risk to wait any longer than that. I am therefore writing to please you provide  me the result of my application, whatever it is. If it i s successful, I will pay the deposite and confirm the acceptance as soon as I get the offer with no hesitation; if it is not, I can be no longer struggled but accept York's offer and prepare for UK's visa application.

I know it might not be a proper way to place such an enquiry, but I expect your understanding from a student's angle.

Many thanks and looking forward to hearing from you soon

yours faithfully


Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 17:46:25 +0800
From: sspg@inet.polyu.edu.hk
To: XXXX
Subject: Re: Enquiries


Dear Miss X,

Thank you for your email.

We understand your situation, however, please be informed that your application status is marked "being considered". It means the admission panel is still considering your application.

As mentioned in my earlier email, short-listed candidates will be required to attend an interview. Announcement of interview will be sent to candidates' registered email one week before the interview session. For your information, several admission interviews have been scheduled from March onwards.  If there is no news by early August 2011, you could assume your application to be unsuccessful.

Regards,
angel


Dear angel:
Thank you for such a quick reply!

I can feel that the chance for me to get your offer is quite low through your words. As the matter of fact, I believe all your offers have already been asigned so far, but you need to wait for their acceptance. Once some of them do not confirm the acceptance by the deadline, you may consider the rest of applicants in the waiting list such as me, that is why the status "being considered"may last till early August, am I right?

To be honest, in the very beginning I was recommended to apply for PolyU by one of your current students whose name is XXX, she is studying MA in Teaching Chinese as a Foreign Language. Her parents are very close friends of my parents, she gave lots of postive comments about PolyU, and also shared her experience of applicati on with me. I compared my background with hers before making the application, because I am not a risk-taking person. However I found in spite of her score on the transcript, IELTS score and other qualifications+working experience, I am much better, more importantly, I submitted the application in last December, which is 4 months earlier than her.  Meanwhile, I daily checked up the information from the forum on gter,  there shows the people who have received offers from PolyU and their backgrounds as well, many of them can not even match my conditions, but their applications succeeded.

Angel, I am not writing aganist you but appreciated of your work very much . I am just questioning the admission panel what criteriaI they actually refer to judge whether to approve or reject applicants. I do not understand how come a worse result comes to a better student, that is just not fair.

Looking forward to hearing somethi n g convincible from the admission panel.

Regards

Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:44:00 +0800
From: sspg@inet.polyu.edu.hk
To: XXX
Subject: RE: Enquiries


Dear Miss X,

Thank you for email and informing us your concern for your application status. Your enquiry has been forwarded to the programme leader of MA in Guidance and Counselling programme.

I would like to provide you some information about the entrance requirements for the MAGC and MA in Teaching Chinese as a Foreign Language (MATC) programmes. Although the HK PolyU provides a lot of taught postgraduate programmes, the minimum entrance requirements are varies from programme to programme. The entrance requirement for MAGC & MATC are a recognised Bachelor's degree. As for MAGC, preference will be given to applicants who are teachers, social workers, counsellors or human resources management personnel involved in guidance work or working in relevant areas.

I would like to assume you that the admission panel has followed straightly the admission procedure in assessing applicants for years. I will get back to you as soon as I have a reply from the programme leader.

regards,
angel

Dear angel:

Thanks for your email and passing my enquiry to the programme leader, no matter how my case ends up like, your work and kindness is highly respected.

As you mentioned in the mail, said for MAGC, preference will be given to applicants who are teachers, social workers, counsellors or human resources management personnel involved in guidance work or working in relevant areas.  I noticed that on your official website as well, that is why I provided lots of documents, including some offically issued teaching qualifications, to demonstrate my teaching experience and enthusiasm of working in this field in my future career life. I understand that I am not dazzling enough comparing with those who have got many years full time working experience in relevant areas, I have only done several internships as a college student so far, but I be lieve the majority of full time Master Degree pursuers  in your campus are fresh graduates, aren't they?

Hong Kong stands for life-long education, applicants with full time working experiences are more welcome to join in your programme, because they would have deeper recognition of what they were going learn, this may lead them to acquire better achievements either in the campus or the society. I absolutely agree with this, and I wish I could have another chance to apply for your course again after having several years full time working experience in the relevant areas if I was rejected this time. However, the chance is rare for females, especially Chinese females. Once I leave the campus and find a stable job, my parents would expect me to settle down and then get married, having a baby...the family will be the most importa nt part of my life, studying abroad will cost me too much like resigning the job, leaving my child and husban d, and that would risk the marriage more or less, of course with no support from my parents. Finally the dream will be sealed in my mind forever, what I have been doing now is to try my best to prevent it from happening.

Angel, if you have the access to view my application files, I please you to let me know which of them is the shortage that caused I am even not qualified for an interview.

Many thanks

Regards

From: sspg@inet.polyu.edu.hk
To: X
Subject: RE: Enquiries

Dear Miss X,

With reference to the questions that you posed to us, as discussed with the programme leader of MA in Guidance and Counselling, please note that the competition for admission among applicants of the MAGC programme is keen. Thus, academic qualifications and relevant working experiences would be some significant factors for the admission panel members' considerations for admissions.

As explained in my email earlier, the entrance requirements among programmes offered by HK PolyU are varies. For more information about the programme entrance requirements, you may refer to the [email=Study@PolyU]Study@PolyU[/email] (http://www.polyu.edu..hk/study) and select individual programmes.

Again, we would like to thank you for your support to the MAGC programme. We wish you well in future endeavors.

regards,
angel

Dear angel:

Thanks for everything, I think that is it. I have tried everything I can, so have you. I am so sad to take it though.

In the last, just one suggestion I would like to give PolyU's admission team, which is to improve the efficiency of their work so that the applicants can be certain if they are approved or rejected in a reasonable waiting period instead of being mentally tortured by "application being considered", this status can last over 6 months time or even remains no change till the programme eventually begins. This behavior is totally irresponsible for the applicants. Stop saying execuses like "we encounter plenty of applications every year" or something like that. I and my friends applied for many American and British universities, some of them are ranked in the Top 100 in the world, their admission teams always give the results within couple of months, whatever it is Yes or No. I believe they do not encounter less applications every year than PolyU does. Furthermore, they do not charge for submitting applications, PolyU charges HKD 450, accordingly we shall expect your admission team to provide better and quicker services.

I think this suggestion makes lots of sense and is quite reasonable, also I believe that I am not the first applicant addressing such enquiries, or many of them just did not speak out up like I do. I wish you may pass it to PolyU's administration and supervision authorities, since it is avoidless sooner or later.

Best Regards
Yours sincerely

Dear Miss X,

Thank you again for your email and feedback on the admission exercise.

For your information, your comments have been forwarded to relevant parties for their consideration and revision.

Once again, we would like to thank you for your support to the programme offered by our department.

best regards,
angel

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lz 英文不错。。。

QPSKUID: 2621503

1 没有必要和小米拉家常
2 没有必要给学校提快审的建议
。。。如果LZ是抱着练习英语兼调戏小米的目的的话，除外……
PS: 如果我是小米，第一封邮件就不会回复。。。或者说最多回一封。。因为后面的事实证明，我客观的被调戏了。。

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另外，LZ最好不要在论坛上提到自己的名字和你朋友的名字

dwhlygUID: 2128828

LZ英语真不错

jessicaxhuUID: 2835468

拉锯战很有意思吗？不明LZ目的。。

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bless

baroques_solariUID: 2735539

太长懒得看 几点废话
1、跟小米扯东扯西没用 小米只是干活儿跑腿儿的 没有生杀大权 也没有义务回应一切他/她职责之外的东西
2、这种性质的抱怨 基本不会有什么意义 浪费彼此的时间 也难起到发泄的作用 希望lz调整好心态
3、论坛是公共场所 建议隐去个人信息 如姓名 各种号码 等
祝好

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理解~~
从去年11月份到现在都觉得心里特别不踏实。也很想像LZ一样问问情况也好，但总没有什么思路，写一两句话就戛然而止了。回复的情况也是和您差不多的官话，所以一次之后就不敢再问了。

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。。。LZ V5了 不过和小米扯这些有的没的感觉。。。。

话说MAGC也是偶曾经关注过的programme，没想到这么墨迹，唉，bless U

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只能说LZ你push错人了，发不发不是小米说了算，小米也不会比你早多久知道录取结果，因为program leader决定录取你了自然会把你的材料丢给小米然后让小米往研究生院报的，你去push小米有什么用，再说了小米能够耐着性子跟你扯那么久，说明她已经是个很有耐心的人了，我由衷地觉得这小米还是挺nice的，所以LZ你得催program leader，当然人家可能完全就不会鸟你。

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12# glutious

汤圆哥好久不见~~

恩，这个小米 算是仁至义尽了 太nice鸟。。

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12# glutious  

汤圆哥好久不见~~

恩，这个小米 算是仁至义尽了 太nice鸟。。
dragonwlong 发表于 2011-5-19 14:01

AUV~好久不见好久不见。。。

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首先，谢谢大家的建议，之前发帖时没顾虑太多，刚已经把涉及到个人姓名，邮箱等隐私的地方编辑过了
其次，我之所以和小秘说这么多，并非吓调侃，都是围绕一个中心目的---获得offer。只是我从各个方面去阐述了自己的desire。有人会说，小秘没有生杀大权，没必要跟她说这些。我想说，在没有办法接触到有生杀大权的大人物的时候，我只能通过小秘的嘴去转告，邮件中小秘也确实有几次提到替我转达了。试了不等于有效，不试肯定没效，这个道理很简单。有人说这种性质的抱怨没有意义，我觉得这是我们生活在中国内陆久了，在国内“和谐”的气氛下都不会抱怨，因为确实很多时候抱怨没用，反倒招来是非。但是在发达国家和地区，并非如此，以后大家去香港或者国外待上一段时间就会体验到，民主政权之下抱怨声比比皆是，而且通常会得到重视。在国内，让大学老师写封推荐信都是奢侈的事，我们自己写，我们不抱怨。各位将来如果在香港毕业了，还想读博的，你们试着叫香港的教授写推荐信，看是怎么回事；在国内，学校教务处的人，警察，公务员，一个个都高高在上，老百姓找他们办事只能低声下气，谁敢抱怨？在香港，他们懂得为纳税人服务的道理，学校收了我的申请费，就该回答我的问题，你回答不了就去找能回答的人出来回答我，就该任劳任怨。我要是对当地政府不满了，还能一蛋糕扣曾荫权脸上，最多接受和扣了一普通老百姓同样的处罚。在国内，谁扣下涛哥试试?想都不敢想。是的，在国内，我们真的很多事情想都不敢想，何况去做？但是，在这里，我希望大家如果有机会走出国门到了发达国家和地区，不要把国内培养出来的这种唯唯诺诺的奴性带出去。要敢怒，敢言，敢做，因为你享有这个权利
最后，我想说。我并不指望发几封email,PolyU就能给我一个offer。我只是让他们在茫茫众多的申请者中对我的名字稍存印象。因为基本上到了5月份，offer该发的都发光了。5月份以后收到的offer都是此前发出去没有得到学生confirm acceptance而腾出来的，这一部分腾出来的机会在waiting list中更青睐谁，与该programme的人对你的名字印象是否深刻很有关系。