ISSUE113 :)

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Issue 113
"It is primarily through identification through social groups that we define ourselves."

2004-3-1        21:42 – 22:50

I basically agree with this statement that people define themselves mainly by identifying in different social groups for three reasons. Firstly, human beings need comparisons to other people for reference; otherwise, we cannot know what we look like exactly. Secondly, it is the various social groups that provide us places to meet with people holding distinct values and to find out the differences among the others and ourselves. Finally, it is the instinctive need of belonging for everyone, no matter you are conscious about it or not.

As for the first reason, when people want to define objects, including themselves, we need reference to other counterparts to attain a specific cognition. By the same token, if we think isolatedly, we may have difficulty in grasping the true characters of objects; instead, we will end up with a vague feeling about the targets. Consider, for instance, when a Yorkshire child defines icecream to be cold while apple puddings hot, he/she draws the conclusion by eating the traditional pudding with icecream on it. It is the comparison of the different feelings about the two foods that helps the child to define exactly the two different things. Likewise, we define ourselves to be optimistic compared to somebody who is pessimistic while we are cautious compared to someone who is careless.

Then, it comes to the second reason that social groups provide us the places for people to meet with each other and find out both similarities as well as differences between oneself and the others.  As stated above, we need comparison for reference to define something specifically. To achieve this goal, what we need is a platform to contact with others. And the existence of various social groups is playing such a role as the bridge to communicate different people in the society. It is the very place where people can know the things outside of their own world, besides, engage in introspection, through which people can not only define themselves more accurately but also modify their definitions to reach a fuller, and sounder level.

Admittedly, there is always someone who drifts at the edge of the society. Those people encage themselves in their own world, partly because of the introversive personality while partly due to their unique thoughts. For example, when Einstein promoted his theory of relativity, no one could understand him at that time. However, for general people, we cannot deny it is the instinctive need for us to be in certain groups. As Abraham Maslow pointed out, belonging need is in the middle of his hierarchy of needs for the reason that it is essential for people to attain a certain amount of affectionate relationships and even a sense of community, which is the important way to relieve our worries for loneliness and social anxieties.

In the final analysis, from the above reasons: request for comparison for reference, places for people to communicate and introspect, and the instinctive of belonging need, we can reach the conclusion that it is primarily through identification through social groups that we define ourselves.

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Issue 113
"It is primarily through identification through social groups that we define ourselves."

2004-3-1 21:42 – 22:50

I basically agree with this statement that people define themselves mainly by identifying in different social groups for three reasons. Firstly, human beings need comparisons to other people for reference; otherwise, we cannot know what we look like exactly. Secondly, it is the various social groups that provide us places to meet with people holding distinct values and to find out the differences among the others and ourselves. Finally, it is the instinctive need of belonging for everyone, no matter you are conscious about it or not.

As for the first reason, when people want to define objects, including themselves, we need reference to other counterparts to attain a specific cognition. By the same token, if we think isolatedly, we may have difficulty in grasping the true characters of objects; instead, we will end up with a vague feeling about the targets. Consider, for instance, when a Yorkshire child defines icecream to be cold while apple puddings hot, he/she draws the conclusion by eating the traditional pudding with icecream on it. It is the comparison of the different feelings about the two foods that helps the child to define exactly the two different things. Likewise, we define ourselves to be optimistic compared to somebody who is pessimistic while we are cautious compared to someone who is careless.
通过类比来论证，不错。

Then, it comes to the second reason that social groups provide us the places for people to meet with each other and find out both similarities as well as differences between oneself and the others. As stated above, we need comparison for reference to define something specifically. To achieve this goal, what we need is a platform to contact with others. And the existence of various social groups is playing such a role as the bridge to communicate different people in the society. It is the very place where people can know the things outside of their own world, besides, engage in introspection, through which people can not only define themselves more accurately but also modify their definitions to reach a fuller, and sounder level.
社区提供场所来接触不同的人，从而使人认识自己。


Admittedly, there is always someone who drifts at the edge of the society. Those people encage themselves in their own world, partly because of the introversive personality while partly due to their unique thoughts. For example, when Einstein promoted his theory of relativity, no one could understand him at that time. However, for general people, we cannot deny it is the instinctive need for us to be in certain groups. As Abraham Maslow pointed out, belonging need is in the middle of his hierarchy of needs for the reason that it is essential for people to attain a certain amount of affectionate relationships and even a sense of community, which is the important way to relieve our worries for loneliness and social anxieties.
这段是写人们把自己归属为某一个社团，从而获得归属感

In the final analysis, from the above reasons: request for comparison for reference, places for people to communicate and introspect内省？在和别人接触内省吗？, and the instinctive这是形容词，改为INSTINCT of belonging need, we can reach the conclusion that it is primarily through identification through social groups that we define ourselves.
总的来说不错，不过你对IDENTIFICATION的理解有些不够一致。前面2个理由讲人与人的不同，最后一个理由变成了归属，似乎有些不一致。
我理解这个IDENTIFICATION应该是归属于一个社团，强调的是与其他人的一致性。因为当年玩DIABLO时，捡到一把宝剑，头盔什么的，第一个进行的工作就是IDENTIFICATION，目的是认明这把宝剑或头盔的用途。不过你理解分辨人与人的不同也可以，但是就应该坚持到底啊，为什么第3个理由有跑了呢？
呵呵。第2遍看，感觉1个小时能写成这样也不错了。

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哦。。。我自己都没有发现论证中这种“前面2个理由讲人与人的不同，最后一个理由变成了归属，似乎有些不一致。"地区别呢
看来逻辑性还不够啊
谢谢点醒！
不过如果要继续坚持分辨人与人的不同还能从什么角度论证 呢？感觉有点每词乐
而且照你这么分析的话分辨人与人的不同与indentification of group有点不搭边...

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如果再写不同的话，就只好引申一下了。比如：通过定义自己与别人的区别，可以更好的了解自己的优点和缺点，从而更好的发展。
不过偶是理解为归属于某个社团的。

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嗯 想乐想还是归属某个团队比较好
两方面结合说
通过比较其他团队 然后决定自己属于哪个
这样是不是更切题点

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是的。：）