著名华人生物学家蒲慕明先生给本组所有成员的一封邮件

HumanEmpireUID: 2237371

Lab members:

Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is no
drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a productive, first
-rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress reports
over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress in most
projects.

One year ago, when we first moved to Berkeley, I expressed clearly to
everyone my expectation from each one in the lab. The most important thing
is what I consider to be sufficient amount of time and effort in the lab
work. I mentioned that about 60 hr working time per week is what I consider
the minimal time an average successful young scientist in these days has to
put into the lab work.

There may be a few rare lucky fellows like Florian, who had two Nature
papers in his sleeve already, can enjoy life for a while and still get a job
offer from Harvard. Nobody else in the lab has Florian's luxury to play
around. Thus I am imposing strict rules in the lab from now on:

Everyone works at least 50 hr a week in the lab（e.g.8+ hr a day, six days a
week）. This is by far lower than what I am doing every day and throughout
most of my career. You may be smarter or do not want to be successful, but I
am not asking you to match my time in the lab.

By working, I mean real bench work. This does not include surfing on the
computer and sending and receiving e-mails for non-scientific matters
unrelated to your work（you can do this after work in the lab or at home,
and excessive chatting on nonscientific matters. No long lunch break except
special occasions. I suggest that everyone puts in at least 6 hr
concentrated bench work and 2+ hr reading and other research-related
activity each day. Reading papers and books should be done mostly after work
. More time can be spent on reading, literature search and writing during
working hours when you are ready for writing a paper.

I must be informeded in person by e-mail（even in my absence from the lab）
when you are absent from the lab for a whole day or more. Inform me early
your vacation plan. Taking more than 20 working days out of one year is the
maximum to me. In fact, none of you are reporting any vacation and sick
leave on your time sheet（against the university rule, although I have been
signing the sheets）, but you know roughly how many days you were not here.
On the whole, I understand and accept the fact that you may not fulfill the
above requirements all the time, due to health reasons, occasional personal
business. But if you do not like to follow the rules because it is simply a
matter of choice of life style, I respect your choice but suggest you start
making plans immediately and leave the lab by the end of January 31. I will
do my best to help you to locate a lab to transfer or to find a job. If you
do accept the conditions I describe above, I am happy to continue to provide
my best support to your work, hopefully more than I have done in the past.
I will review the progress of everyone in the lab by the end of June of 2002
. I expect everyone to have made sufficient progress in the research so that
a good paper is in sight（at least to the level of J.Neuroscience. If you
cannot meet this goal at that time, I will have to ask you to prepare to
leave my lab by the end of August.

As a scientist, you must dedicate everything to this business 8-hour is
unpractical. There is NO way for a scientist or a Ph.D student to work only
8 hours a day!

Go to your mother’s house for afternoon naps and never come back!

5 weeks per year (Chinese New Year, the May Day and the National Day breaks
are included)

Start your morning work not later than 8:30 am and afternoon work no later
than 1 pm

Surf over the Internet for non-scientific purposes should be less than 30
min a day

Reading newspapers should be limited less than 30 min a day

Novels or other non-scientific journals/magazines are not permitted in the
lab and office

If you are absent from the lab more than one hour, get permission first.

Everyone has personal business, but the lab business always has priority
unless in emergency

In this business, an“average”student who works seven days a week is
definitely more productive than a“genius”who works five days a week

If you are able to make any major progresses by working 8 hours a day and 5
days a week, every fortunate in this world must be on your side!

施一公对此表示深以为然，而且认为应该加到60小时/周。

据观察，不论国内外的，只要做实验，每周60小时应该是下限了。

490560UID: 3595231

很老的邮件了。。。。

我来吐槽一下：“据观察，不论国内外的，只要做实验，每周60小时应该是下限了。”

据我观察，这60小时中不到60%是在真正做实验，其他都是上网聊天、水论坛、看电影etc

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490560 发表于 2015-2-21 21:15
很老的邮件了。。。。

我来吐槽一下：“据观察，不论国内外的，只要做实验，每周60小时应该是下限了。” ...

60% 已经很多了好不好... 那也36个小时了
并且, 他这是要求在bench前的工作, 带着手套, 用手机都不好灌水啊

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I will do my best to help you to locate a lab to transfer or to find a job....就这句还算厚道...

kvigossUID: 3458444

这个60h很难界定，经常离心1h不知道算不算。。条件好点的实验室自动化设备会多些。。。我们搞结构真心苦逼，其他方向的可能会好些，不过总体来说是自己脑袋里货越少的做实验越累，还出不来好文章。

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490560 发表于 2015-2-21 21:15
很老的邮件了。。。。

我来吐槽一下：“据观察，不论国内外的，只要做实验，每周60小时应该是下限了。” ...

我现在的老师基本上是放养状态，全靠自己。。。我的经历如下：
幸运的时候是经过一段时间看文献和总结，基本确定能做出结果，立即开足马力干，两个月搞定实验，半个月写完paper，一气呵成。不过这种情况很少出现，因为要确定一个可行的方案不容易，还取决于试验设备，自己的经验，还有老师的水平等。我国内三年的研究生只经历过一次，为期三个月。。。
其余的时候都在尝试摸索，根本出不了什么东西，每天搬砖12个小时和水12个小时没区别。。。这种时候基本就废了，上网聊天、水论坛、看电影就成了常态。。。

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672347250 发表于 2015-2-21 21:47
我现在的老师基本上是放养状态，全靠自己。。。我的经历如下：
幸运的时候是经过一段时间看文献和总结， ...

所以有个会指导，眼光准的导师很重要

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490560 发表于 2015-2-21 21:49
所以有个会指导，眼光准的导师很重要

所以都说要跟大牛，很对

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kvigoss 发表于 2015-2-21 21:43
这个60h很难界定，经常离心1h不知道算不算。。条件好点的实验室自动化设备会多些。。。我们搞结构真心苦逼， ...

等着离心的1h的时候,要干其他的啊

squareli2004UID: 3420238

02年的信 不知這人退休沒有?(網站last update 是2010)
看他大部份的都是華人 就graduate student 都沒有 那還進去尤如找死..........

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squareli2004 发表于 2015-2-22 10:04
02年的信 不知這人退休沒有?(網站last update 是2010)
看他大部份的都是華人 就graduate student 都沒有 那 ...

“大部份的都是華人 就graduate student 都沒有” ？这是啥意思？

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wang_come_on 发表于 2015-2-22 10:35
“大部份的都是華人 就graduate student 都沒有” ？这是啥意思？

我看過他的website graduate student 那部份是空的 只有postdoc 當然那是2010年的事 現在如何 只有那個lab才知
而大部份華人是我說錯 應該是說大部份是亞洲人

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squareli2004 发表于 2015-2-22 12:47
我看過他的website graduate student 那部份是空的 只有postdoc 當然那是2010年的事 現在如何 只有那個la ...

这样啊。按理说不应该缺graduate student才对。不过如果一个组没什么研究生，大多都是postdoc，这样的组确实有些问题

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HumanEmpire 发表于 2015-2-22 05:57
等着离心的1h的时候,要干其他的啊

有时候有活干，有时候也没。没活的时候少

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HumanEmpire 发表于 2015-2-22 05:57
等着离心的1h的时候,要干其他的啊

做俯卧撑。。。