Issue36 机井椰树一棵，伟人价值被后来者决定而非同时代人

needleUID: 158900

Issue36  The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries.

提纲：
1。不是所有的人的价值都是死后体现
2。有些人当时体现，符合当时社会潮流，或者其重大发现给社会带来现实利益
3。有些人前卫，死后体现
4。不能轻易比较究竟谁应该决定。社会变化。
5。总结

Great individuals usually stand for the highest achievement of the time they live in and also are exemplars for the comers.  When concerning who and when decide their greatness, by those who live after them or by their contemporaries, I do regard it as a case-by-case problem.

From one aspect, some great persons surely have or had been adored at their time by their contemporaries in that their accomplishments are or were valued by them. Somehow, such an esteem they experienced is or was based on the potent effect of their achievements on the society.  As for scientists, what he or she have uncovered or invented should be able to transform the world, or overthrow the past rules, or modify some fallacies in the traditional norms. The law of gravity found by Newton and Einstein’s relativism are both suitable example for this case and then they both won a worldly reverence. As for artists, a wonderful article would be needed, which should either meet the flavor of the present trend or entirely make a break large in enough to be appreciated in skills.  As for politicians, they should devote themselves to a significant work with a large extent influence, then by doing which he would show his prominent capabilities.  For example, Abraham Lincoln was an outstanding politician and as result of his exceptional achievement in the Civil War he encountered a big worship not only from us living today, but also from his contemporaries.  

Also, others though great were not so lucky to enjoy the same treatment at their time, but their greatness is recognized by those who live after them ultimately.  Why did they fall under such a both distinctive and unjust treatment? That is because they were somewhat of avant-garde and so their value was beclouded until the society has made a progress and people who living after them can assume the role of their bosom friend.  For instance, not only in poor but also be treated as mad, Von Gogh was almost deserved by his contemporaries. Nobody could understand what the sunflowers and bright yellow appearing in his paintings meant. But now, his every painting valued a high price in the market and his skills are studied exactly by scholars and other artists. That is to say, the greatness of some individuals would be ignored and even be scorned by their contemporaries, so those who live after them are much more eligible to decide their value in this case.

Furthermore, it is unwise to put the society situation away when justifying by which the bigness of individuals can be decide between the contemporaries and the comers,.  Since the society keeps advancing, the standards under which people evaluate greatness are changing correspondingly. As a result, some persons who were treated as heroes or to be omniscient by their contemporaries perhaps are not or partly not today.  What is more, some other factors might influence people’s evaluation, such as the extent of propagation, the limitation of knowledge, obsessive force and even concealed conditions. As an illustration, as more closet historical materials about how he expelled the dissidents appear openly to the public, Stalin has gradually been losing his greatness in people’s mind. It means that neither the remark from the contemporaries nor from people living after is totally impartial enough to be considered as a conclusion. Throwing off the society concrete circumstance and talking about which is to decide the greatness of individuals would be arbitrary and hasty.

In sum, not all great persons could obtain a relevant position at their time, and some of them have to suffer from the covering of their greatness and wait for the comers to reveal and reevaluate their value. Somehow, it is impossible to make such a simply comparison with these cases and draw a conclusion that the bigness is to be decided by their contemporaries or by the comers, since every estimation should be based on the social conditions, which are different many a time.(664 words)


写的很不舒服！可能还是思路比较乱，然后改来改去的（包括提纲）。谢谢拍砖。

lovebrianUID: 157127

this seat's taken

LSDUID: 157855

我写的提纲：
1。社会上大多数人的价值都是在他们生前体现的且被人们赞誉的
eg 社会对科学家的奖励；人民对政府领导的支持；
2。有些人的贡献的确是被后世评价的
分析原因：1）那些高深的知识理论体系只有很少的人能够理解。而不为同时代的人所认识
          2）在某些人的行为的结果未明了之前，人们很难对她/他的行为做出评价
3。被当代人评价或是被后世评价并不是最重要的，真正有意义的是他们是否推动了社会进步

今天刚写了一篇I这篇待会儿再写。到时继续讨论阿 :P

dezhiUID: 156141

Issue36 The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries.

提纲：
1。不是所有的人的价值都是死后体现
2。有些人当时体现，符合当时社会潮流，或者其重大发现给社会带来现实利益
3。有些人前卫，死后体现
4。不能轻易比较究竟谁应该决定。社会变化。
5。总结

Great individuals usually stand for the highest achievements of the time they live in and also are前面两个词换一下 exemplars for the comers. When concerning who and when decide their greatness这句话有问题，超级别扭, by those who live after them or by their contemporaries, I do regard it as a case-by-case problem这句话再换一种说法吧！感觉不太好懂.

From one aspect, some great persons surely have or had用得着这么罗嗦吗？ been adored at their time by their contemporaries in that their accomplishments are or were valued by them指代不明！. Somehow, such an esteem they experienced is or was based on the potent effect of their achievements on the society. As for scientists, what he or she为何不用they？而且后面用了have？ have uncovered or invented should be able to transform the world, or overthrow the past rules, or modify some fallacies in the traditional norms. The law of gravity found by Newton and Einstein’s relativism are both suitable examples for this case and then they both won a worldly想用worldwide？ reverence. As for artists, a wonderful article不太严谨，艺术家不只包括作家呀 would be needed, which should either meet the flavor of the present trend or entirely make a break large in enough to be appreciated in skills后半句没读懂，汗~~~. As for politicians, they should devote themselves to a significant work with a large extent这是名词！ influence, then by doing which he would show his prominent capabilities. For example, Abraham Lincoln was an outstanding politician and as a result of his exceptional achievement in the Civil War he encountered a big worship not only from us living today, but also from his contemporaries. 段末来个总结如何？
这一段只列举了各个领域的人要被同时代人承认，就要做出自己的贡献，不过因为不是充要条件，论述的深度不够，值得推敲

Also, others though great were not so lucky to enjoy the same treatment at their time, but their greatness is recognized by those who live after them ultimately. Why did they fall under such a both distinctive and unjust treatment? That is because they were somewhat of avant-garde and so their value was beclouded until the society has made a progress词组是make progress,中间没有a and people who living用定语从句怎么还加ing? after them can assume the role of their bosom friend. For instance, not only in poor but also be treated as madas a madman，因为mad是形容词！, Von Gogh was almost deserved是不是想用抛弃deserted？ by his contemporaries. Nobody could understand what the sunflowers and bright yellow appearing in his paintings meant. But now, his every painting valued a high price in the market and his skills are studied exactly by scholars and other artists. That is to say, the greatness of some individuals would用may be ignored and even be scorned by their contemporaries, so 这里有因果关系吗？ those who live after them are much more eligible to decide their value in this case.

Furthermore, it is unwise to put the society situation away when justifying by which这里插入by which这两个词是作何用意？ the bigness of individuals can be decide用被动！ between the contemporaries and the comers,. Since the society keeps advancing, the standards under which people evaluate greatness are changing correspondingly. As a result, some persons who were treated as heroes or to be omniscient by their contemporaries perhaps are not or partly not today. What is more, some other factors might influence people’s evaluation, such as the extent of propagation, the limitation of knowledge, obsessive force and even concealed conditions. As an illustration, as more closet historical materials about how he expelled the dissidents appear openly to the public, Stalin has gradually been losinghas lost就可以了吧？用完成进行时有些多余，个人意见 his greatness in people’s mind. It means that neither the remark from the contemporaries nor that from people living after is totally impartial enough to be considered as a conclusion这一句话说反了，neither…nor..is…，你再读一读？. Throwing off the society‘s concrete circumstance and talking about which is to decide the greatness of individuals would be arbitrary and hasty.

In sum, not all great persons could obtain a relevant position at their time, and some of them have to suffer from the covering of their greatness and wait for the comers to reveal and reevaluate their value. Somehow, it is impossible to make such a simply应该用形容词！ comparison with these cases and draw a conclusion that the bigness is to be decided by their contemporaries or by the comers, since every estimation should be based on the social conditions, which are different many a time.(664 words)

dezhiUID: 156141

写得不错，这篇文章对我来说是属于bt题目的
楼主单词量真大，我遇到好几个不认识的单词 :mad:
但是，感觉分析的深度不够，文章是用例子撑起来的；不过，话又说回来，想要分析深入也不太容易

LSD的提纲不错，可以借鉴一下 :p

LSDUID: 157855

Great individuals usually stand for the highest achievement of the time they live in and also are exemplars for the comers. When concerning who and when decide their greatness, by those who live after them or by their contemporaries, I do regard it as a case-by-case problem.

From one aspect, some great persons surely have or had been adored at their time by their contemporaries in that their accomplishments are or were(这么写有必要吗？下同) valued by them. Somehow, such an esteem they experienced is or was based on the potent effect of their achievements on（to） the society. As for scientists, what he or she have uncovered or invented(what his/her contribution) should be able to transform(give development to 因为你所说的改变可以包括好的，也可以包括不好的改变，在这里应该指明是那些正面的变化吧 ) the world, or overthrow the past（inaccurate） rules, or modify some fallacies in (of) the traditional norms. The law of gravity found by Newton and Einstein’s relativism(theory of relativism) are both suitable example(s) for this case and then they both won a worldly reverence.(是否应该强调一下这些reverence是同时代的呢？) As for artists, a wonderful article would be needed, which should either meet the flavor of the present trend or entirely make a break large in enough to be appreciated in skills. As for politicians, they should devote themselves to a significant work with a large extent influence, then by doing which he would show his prominent capabilities. For example, Abraham Lincoln was an outstanding politician and as result of his exceptional（outstanding） achievement in the Civil War(and) he encountered a big worship not only from us living today, but also from his contemporaries.

这段最好和同事代的意见多联系一下，不要只写明伟人的贡献

Also, others though great (persons) were not so lucky to enjoy the same treatment at their time, but their greatness is recognized by those who live after them ultimately. Why did they fall under such a both distinctive and unjust treatment?(这句话什么意思啊？) That is because they were somewhat of avant-garde and so their value was beclouded （我想不是被掩盖吧，而是同时代的人受到一些局限无法理解） until the society has made a progress and people who living after them can assume the role of their bosom friend. For instance, not only in poor but also be treated as mad, Von Gogh was almost deserved(应该换个词吧) by his contemporaries. Nobody could understand what the sunflowers and bright yellow appearing in his paintings meant. But now, his every（each of his paintings） painting valued a high price in the market and his skills are  to studied (carefully studied ) exactly by scholars and other artists. That is to say, the greatness of some individuals would be ignored(不被理解) and even be scorned by their contemporaries, so those who live after（还可以深入地论述一下为什么后人就能够理解了）them are much more eligible to decide their value in this case.

Furthermore, it is unwise to put the society situation away(not taking into the temporary situation) when justifying by which the bigness of individuals can be decide between the contemporaries and the comers,. Since (the) society keeps advancing, the standards under which people evaluate greatness are changing correspondingly. As a result, some persons who were treated as heroes or to be omniscient by their contemporaries perhaps are not or partly not today(说反了吧). What is more, some other factors might influence people’s evaluation, such as the extent of propagation, the limitation of knowledge, obsessive force and even concealed conditions. As an illustration, as more closet historical materials about how he expelled the dissidents appear openly to the public, Stalin has gradually been losing his greatness in people’s mind. It means that neither the remark from the contemporaries nor from people living after is totally impartial enough to be considered as a conclusion. Throwing off the society concrete circumstance and talking about which is to decide the greatness of individuals would be arbitrary and hasty.

In sum, not all great persons could obtain a relevant position (???) at their time, and some of them have to suffer from the covering of their greatness and wait for the comers to reveal and reevaluate their value. Somehow, it is impossible to make such a simply comparison with these cases and draw a conclusion that the bigness is to be decided by their contemporaries or by the comers, since every estimation should be based on the social conditions, which are different many a time（of great variety）.(664 words)

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最初由 dezhi 发布
[B]Issue36 The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries.

提纲：
1。不是所有的人的价值都是死后体现..

以下省略...... [/B]

超级丢脸了。。。不知道这一篇怎么这么多错误。。。maybe写完就晕了。。。没有看。。。

anyway, sorry!!!!

非常感谢这么耐心的修改！！！！

needleUID: 158900

谢谢大家拍砖！大家的意见我已经copy下来准备仔细研究和修改。再次感谢！

jackyeahUID: 159938

Great individuals usually stand for the highest achievement(s) of the time they live in and also are exemplars for the comers. When concerning who and when decide their greatness, by those who live after them or by their contemporaries, I do regard it as a case-by-case problem.

From one aspect, some great persons surely have or had been adored at their time by their contemporaries in that their accomplishments are or were valued by them.(太咬字眼不好) Somehow, such an（去掉an ） esteem they experienced is or was based on the potent effect of their achievements on the society. As for scientists, what he or she have uncovered or invented should be able to transform the world, or overthrow the past rules, or modify some fallacies in the traditional norms. The law of gravity found by Newton and Einstein’s relativism are both suitable example(s) for this case and then they both won a worldly reverence. As for artists, a wonderful article would be needed, which should either meet the flavor of the present trend or entirely make a break large in enough to be appreciated in skills.(这句不懂) As for politicians, they should devote themselves to a significant work with a large extent influence, then by doing which he would show his prominent capabilities. For example, Abraham Lincoln was an outstanding politician and as result of his exceptional achievement in the Civil War he encountered a big worship not only from us living today, but also from his contemporaries.
这段好象太泛泛了 几乎全在举例

Also, others though great were not so lucky to enjoy the same treatment at their time, but their greatness is recognized by those who live after them ultimately. Why did they fall under such a both distinctive and unjust treatment? That is because they were somewhat of avant-garde（好词） and so their value was beclouded until the society has made a progress and people who living after them can assume the role of their bosom friend. For instance, not only in poor but also be treated as mad（好 吸取中）, Von Gogh was almost deserved by his contemporaries. Nobody could understand what the sunflowers and bright yellow appearing in his paintings meant. But now, his every painting valued a high price in the market and his skills are studied exactly by scholars and other artists. That is to say, the greatness of some individuals would be ignored and even be scorned by their contemporaries, so those who live after them are much more eligible to decide their value in this case.

Furthermore, it is unwise to put the society situation away when justifying by which the bigness of individuals can be decide between the contemporaries and the comers,. Since the society keeps advancing, the standards under which people evaluate greatness are changing correspondingly.（这个论点很闪光） As a result, some persons who were treated as heroes or to be omniscient by their contemporaries perhaps are not or partly not today. What is more, some other factors might influence people’s evaluation, such as the extent of propagation, the limitation of knowledge, obsessive force and even concealed conditions. As an illustration, as more closet historical materials about how he expelled the dissidents appear openly to the public, Stalin has gradually been losing his greatness in people’s mind. It means that neither the remark from the contemporaries nor from people living after is totally impartial enough to be considered as a conclusion. Throwing off the society concrete circumstance and talking about which is to decide the greatness of individuals would be arbitrary and hasty.
强， 这段值得借鉴 特别是斯大林的例子


In sum, not all great persons could obtain a relevant position at their time, and some of them have to suffer from the covering of their greatness and wait for the comers to reveal and reevaluate their value. Somehow, it is impossible to make such a simply comparison with these cases and draw a conclusion that the bigness is to be decided by their contemporaries or by the comers, since every estimation should be based on the social conditions, which are different many a time.(664 words)


写的很不舒服！可能还是思路比较乱，然后改来改去的（包括提纲）。谢谢拍砖。


Nobody could understand what the sunflowers and bright yellow appearing in his paintings meant（多解释一下此例子好吗， 不是很懂）

Body 1 太散

不过已经很强了
加油

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最初由 jackyeah 发布
[B]As for artists, a wonderful article would be needed, which should either meet the flavor of the present trend or entirely make a break large in enough to be appreciated in skills.(这句不懂) [/B]

对于艺术家来说，需要的是一件杰出的艺术作品，它要么迎合当前社会的流行品位，要么在技巧上彻底突破以至于得到欣赏。

最初由 jackyeah 发布
[B]这段好象太泛泛了 几乎全在举例
[/B]

分了三个层面来细化great person的不同情况。不应该算泛泛吧？每种情况都有具体的分析啊！分析他们受到当代人承认的条件。

最初由 jackyeah 发布
[B]Nobody could understand what the sunflowers and bright yellow appearing in his paintings meant（多解释一下此例子好吗， 不是很懂）[/B]

联系前面的话：For instance, not only in poor but also be treated as mad（好 吸取中）, Von Gogh was almost deserved by his contemporaries. Nobody could understand what the sunflowers and bright yellow appearing in his paintings meant. But now, his every painting valued a high price in the market and his skills are studied exactly by scholars and other artists.
例如，不仅贫困而且被人们视为疯子，凡高几乎被同时代的人们所抛弃。没有人能够理解在他的画作中出现的向日葵和明亮的黄色意味着什么。但是现在，每一幅他的画在市场上都很值钱，并且他的技巧也在被学者和其他画家所研习。

凡高最著名的作品是向日葵，在他的画中大量的出现了向日葵，并且运用了非常明亮的黄色。所以我说了你提出来不理解的那句话。

最初由 jackyeah 发布
[B]Body 1 太散
[/B]

这个。。。分层面是不是都会显得很散。。还是这样的写法不好呢

yifengUID: 159612

Great individuals usually stand for the highest achievement of the time they live in and also are exemplars for the comers. When concerning who and when(when 不要好些吧？) decide their greatness, by those who live after them or by their contemporaries, I do regard it as a case-by-case problem.

From one aspect, some great persons surely have or had been adored at their time by their contemporaries in that their accomplishments are or were valued by them. Somehow, such an esteem they experienced is or was based on the potent effect of their achievements on the society. As for scientists, what he or she have uncovered or invented should be able to transform the world, or overthrow the past rules, or modify some fallacies in the traditional norms. The law of gravity found by Newton and Einstein’s relativism are both suitable example for this case and then they both won a worldly reverence. As for artists, a wonderful article would be needed, which should either meet the flavor of the present trend or entirely make a break large in enough to be appreciated in skills. As for politicians, they should devote themselves to a significant work with a large extent influence, then by doing which he would show his prominent capabilities. For example, Abraham Lincoln was an outstanding politician and as result of his exceptional achievement in the Civil War he encountered a big worship not only from us living today, but also from his contemporaries. 我觉得说出他们为什么受当时人们的尊重更有说服力。单举例子太零碎了。还没有总结句。

Also, others though great were not so lucky to enjoy the same treatment at their time, but their greatness is recognized by those who live after them ultimately. Why did they fall under such a both distinctive and unjust treatment? That is because they were somewhat of avant-garde and so their value was beclouded until the society has made a progress and people who living after them can assume the role of their bosom friend. For instance, not only in poor but also be treated as mad, Von Gogh was almost deserved by his contemporaries. Nobody could understand what the sunflowers and bright yellow appearing in his paintings meant. But now, his every painting valued a high price in the market and his skills are studied exactly by scholars and other artists. That is to say, the greatness of some individuals would be ignored and even be scorned by their contemporaries, so those who live after them are much more eligible to decide their value in this case. 很好。

Furthermore, it is unwise to put the society situation away when justifying by which the bigness of individuals can be decide between the contemporaries and the comers,. Since the society keeps advancing, the standards under which people evaluate greatness are changing correspondingly. As a result, some persons who were treated as heroes or to be omniscient by their contemporaries perhaps are not or partly not today. What is more, some other factors might influence people’s evaluation, such as the extent of propagation, the limitation of knowledge, obsessive force and even concealed conditions. As an illustration, as more closet historical materials about how he expelled the dissidents appear openly to the public, Stalin has gradually been losing his greatness in people’s mind. It means that neither the remark from the contemporaries nor from people living after is totally impartial enough to be considered as a conclusion. Throwing off the society concrete circumstance and talking about which is to decide the greatness of individuals would be arbitrary and hasty.

In sum, not all great persons could obtain a relevant position at their time, and some of them have to suffer from the covering of their greatness and wait for the comers to reveal and reevaluate their value. Somehow, it is impossible to make such a simply comparison with these cases and draw a conclusion that the bigness is to be decided by their contemporaries or by the comers, since every estimation should be based on the social conditions, which are different many a time.(664 words)
我觉得楼主写的很好呀。只不过有些小毛病，思路我很欣赏，加油！
上次那篇我没空改，不好意思。

kaventUID: 154493

Great individuals usually stand for the highest achievement of the time they live in and also are exemplars for the comers. When concerning who and when decide their greatness这句话实在别扭, by those who live after them or by their contemporaries, I do regard it as a case-by-case problem.

From one aspect, some great persons surely have or had been adored at their time by their contemporaries in that their accomplishments are or were valued by them. Somehow, such an esteem they experienced is or was based on the potent effect of their achievements on the society. 事态不用这样写吧？As for scientists, what he or she have uncovered or invented should be able to transform the world, or overthrow the past rules, or modify some fallacies in the traditional norms. The law of gravity大写 found by Newton and Einstein’s relativism相对论可以这样写吗？ are both suitable examples for this case and then they both won a worldly reverence. As for artists, a wonderful article可以指艺术作品吗？ would be needed, which should either meet the flavor of the present trend or entirely make a break large in enough to be appreciated in skills两者是选择的关系吗？. As for politicians, they should devote themselves to a significant work with a large extent influence, then by doing which he would show his prominent capabilities. For example, Abraham Lincoln was an outstanding politician and as result of his exceptional achievement in the Civil War he encountered a big worship not only from us living today, but also from his contemporaries.

Also, others though great were not so lucky to enjoy the same treatment at their time, but their greatness is recognized by those who live after them ultimately这个词偶喜欢. Why did they fall under such a both去掉 distinctive and unjust treatment? That is because they were somewhat of avant-garde不懂这个词 and so their value was beclouded until the society has made a progress and people who living after them can assume the role of their bosom friend. For instance, not only in poorpoverty but also be treated as mad, Von Gogh was almost deserved应该的，应得的？ by his contemporaries. Nobody could understand what the sunflowers and bright yellow appearing in his paintings meant. But now, his every painting valued a high price in the market and his skills are studied exactly by scholars and other artists. That is to say, the greatness of some individuals would be ignored and even be scorned by their contemporaries, so those who live after them are much more eligible to decide their value in this case.

Furthermore, it is unwise to put the society situation away when justifying by which the bigness of individuals can be decide between the contemporaries and the comers,. Since the society keeps advancing, the standards under which people evaluate greatness are changing correspondingly. As a result, some persons who were treated as heroes or to be omniscient by their contemporaries perhaps are not or partly not today. What is more, some other factors might influence people’s evaluation, such as the extent of propagation, the limitation of knowledge, obsessive force and even concealed conditions. As an illustration, as more closet historical materials about how he expelled the dissidents appear openly to the public, Stalin has gradually been losing his greatness in people’s mind. It means that neither the remark from the contemporaries nor from people living after is totally impartial enough to be considered as a conclusion. Throwing off the society concrete circumstance and talking about which is to decide the greatness of individuals would be arbitrary and hasty.你这里本来是想说，随着社会的进步，价值观甚至意识形态的改变，早成对一个人功过评判标准的改变。但例子却说随着斯大林的事更多地为人们所知道……，结合得不太好。

In sum, not all great persons could obtain a relevant position at their time, and some of them have to suffer from the covering of their greatness and wait for the comers to reveal and reevaluate their value. Somehow, it is impossible to make such a simply comparison with these cases and draw a conclusion that the bigness is to be decided by their contemporaries or by the comers, since every estimation should be based on the social conditions, which are different many a time.(664 words)

总的来说，这篇Issue完成得很好啊，用词和句子都很灵活，论述也没什么大问题。needle现在要注意的，可能就是时间了，开始限时试试吧。

needleUID: 158900

最初由 kavent 发布
[B]From one aspect, some great persons surely have or had been adored at their time by their contemporaries in that their accomplishments are or were valued by them. Somehow, such an esteem they experienced is or was based on the potent effect of their achievements on the society. 事态不用这样写吧？[/B]

这里的时态我挺困惑的。。。

最初由 kavent 发布
[B]The law of gravity大写 found by Newton and Einstein’s relativism相对论可以这样写吗？ are both suitable examples for this case and then they both won a worldly reverence. As for artists, a wonderful article可以指艺术作品吗？ would be needed, which should either meet the flavor of the present trend or entirely make a break large in enough to be appreciated in skills两者是选择的关系吗？. [/B]

相对论应该没有错

article可以指作品，这里也顺便回楼上dezhi，article不一定是文章啊！甚至编制的篮子都可以被叫做article的:)

我的观点艺术作品重大突破和符合潮流是选择的关系。

最初由 kavent 发布
[B]Also, others though great were not so lucky to enjoy the same treatment at their time, but their greatness is recognized by those who live after them ultimately这个词偶喜欢. Why did they fall under such a both去掉 distinctive and unjust treatment? That is because they were somewhat of avant-garde不懂这个词 and so their value was beclouded until the society has made a progress and people who living after them can assume the role of their bosom friend. [/B]

both and

avant-garde先锋派

最初由 kavent 发布
[B]For instance, not only in poorpoverty but also be treated as mad, Von Gogh was almost deserved应该的，应得的？ by his contemporaries. [/B]

我汗死了。。。居然写错成这样了！！！
proverty  ;  后一个是deserted，晕，一个字母就错成这样！//bow

最初由 kavent 发布
[B]你这里本来是想说，随着社会的进步，价值观甚至意识形态的改变，早成对一个人功过评判标准的改变。但例子却说随着斯大林的事更多地为人们所知道……，结合得不太好。
[/B]

标准改变是前一个意群了。斯大林的例子是后一个意群里的例子，也就是有外力，隐情，宣传力度什么的会影响价值评估。

最初由 kavent 发布
[B]总的来说，这篇Issue完成得很好啊，用词和句子都很灵活，论述也没什么大问题。needle现在要注意的，可能就是时间了，开始限时试试吧。[/B]

谢谢kavent.！我也开始着急时间的问题了。。。不过，我在努力！

jackyeahUID: 159938

分了三个层面来细化great person的不同情况。不应该算泛泛吧？每种情况都有具体的分析啊！分析他们受到当代人承认的条件

------或者可以巴例子合在一起，找出共同点分析合在一起

For instance, not only in poor but also be treated as mad（好 吸取中）, Von Gogh was almost deserved by his contemporaries. Nobody could understand what the sunflowers and bright yellow appearing in his paintings meant. But now, his every painting valued a high price in the market and his skills are studied exactly by scholars and other artists.
例如，不仅贫困而且被人们视为疯子，凡高几乎被同时代的人们所抛弃。没有人能够理解在他的画作中出现的向日葵和明亮的黄色意味着什么。但是现在，每一幅他的画在市场上都很值钱，并且他的技巧也在被学者和其他画家所研习

-----copy下来了：）

另外 我想说语言的严谨是好事 是太抠字眼了 会不会变成弱点？？both a bless and a curse
例 what he or she have uncovered or invented should be able to transform the world, or overthrow the past rules, or modify some fallacies in the traditional norms.

这种句子一、两句就好了巴 多了太罗嗦 个人意见

needleUID: 158900

最初由 dezhi 发布
[B]then they both won a worldly想用worldwide？ reverence. As for artists, a wonderful article不太严谨，艺术家不只包括作家呀 would be needed, which should either meet the flavor of the present trend or entirely make a break large in enough to be appreciated in skills后半句没读懂，汗~~~. As for politicians, they should devote themselves to a significant work with a large extent这是名词！ influence[/B]

汗，一时糊涂,worldly是“世间的，尘世的，世俗的”，用错了
article这里不代表文章，就是艺术作品的统称
那一举我后面的回复里有翻译
extent后面丢了of....

最初由 dezhi 发布
[B] but also be treated as madas a madman，因为mad是形容词！, Von Gogh was almost deserved是不是想用抛弃deserted？ by his contemporaries. [/B]

treat as+宾补,adj.应该是可以的（因为这个用法同regard，详见Longman regard条目）
deserted....写错了！

最初由 dezhi 发布
[B]so 这里有因果关系吗？ those who live after them are much more eligible to decide their value in this case.[/B]

因为同时代的人们忽略。。。所以后人才更有资格。。。

最初由 dezhi 发布
[B]It means that neither the remark from the contemporaries nor that from people living after is totally impartial enough to be considered as a conclusion这一句话说反了，neither…nor..is…，你再读一读？. [/B]

来自同时代人和来自后来者们的评论都不是公正的足以被当作结论。neither nor两个不是并列的么，应该没有前后反正吧？

最初由 LSD发布
[B]As a result, some persons who were treated as heroes or to be omniscient by their contemporaries perhaps are not or partly not today(说反了吧). [/B]

没有啊

最初由 LSD发布
[B]not all great persons could obtain a relevant position (???) at their time,[/B]

relevant相对应的。不是所有的人们都在他们的时代得到了相应（相应于他们的成就/伟大）的地位。

谢谢LSD的批改！

最初由 yifeng发布
[B]我觉得说出他们为什么受当时人们的尊重更有说服力。单举例子太零碎了。还没有总结句。[/B]

总结句。。。。嗯，应该加强一下

谢谢yifeng！