关于跳板问题的想法

小手微凉UID: 3641576

Orz
谢谢各位大大在前面17PHD定位帖子的详细耐心解答和鼓励~
现在有个问题是关于跳板，还需要各位帮助~
在澳洲读完ECON的Master之后想继续弥补自己的不足，另一方面自己已经这么大了不想再花父母几十万去读另一个硕士（虽然此硕士非彼硕士）。所以想曲线救国申请一个Mphi学位缓冲一下，不知香港和英国哪个做跳板比较好，另外想问美帝是不是也有Mphi学位。
最终目的就是美帝PHD
各位畅所欲言

bsybenUID: 2988063

美帝没有MPhil这个东西，在这边教授看来本科毕业就应该直接申PhD。。。Master那些东西是给你们这些没根没底的外国人读的。。。至于英国和香港的MPhil，个人感觉还是英国的能更好一点，不过具体也要看学校的。有些MPhil应该是不鼓励外申的，lz申请之前一定要调查清楚。

zero的小号UID: 3644018

bsyben 发表于 2015-8-13 10:49
美帝没有MPhil这个东西，在这边教授看来本科毕业就应该直接申PhD。。。Master那些东西是给你们这些没根没底 ...

现在似乎美帝的学生也都倾向于先做RA再读phd了。至少我身边同学很多都是这样的。

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bsyben 发表于 2015-8-13 10:49
美帝没有MPhil这个东西，在这边教授看来本科毕业就应该直接申PhD。。。Master那些东西是给你们这些没根没底 ...

恩恩，说的很有道理，谢谢版主大大嘿嘿

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zero的小号 发表于 2015-8-13 11:19
现在似乎美帝的学生也都倾向于先做RA再读phd了。至少我身边同学很多都是这样的。

申请去美帝自然是极好的，还请问RA机会是提前就要和老师申请到，还是先上学再找合适机会呢？

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bsyben 发表于 2015-8-13 10:49
美帝没有MPhil这个东西，在这边教授看来本科毕业就应该直接申PhD。。。Master那些东西是给你们这些没根没底 ...

还有请问版主大大，英国跳板大概能有多大的作用，能对得起那个时间成本么

cheesechanUID: 3505689

MPhil:
US don't take much research master student (and thus their PhD is longer as the first two year is somehow coursework, which is similar to master in other countries)

HK one, I don't think you can get into it. (HKUST, CUHK, HKU, CityU) since the intake is really limited, (you are still try) and thus it is super competitive (places go to own students / student from top university with good grade)

UK one, don't have much funding for MPhil, you are paying the master tuition again anyway.

if you really want to save $$, consider school in Canada (e.g. UBC, Queens), or some school in EU (e.g. TSE, TI, Bonn, and etc...) which have much lower tuition.

I suggest you to forget about covering also the living cost by scholarship, as given your background, it is quite difficult to "get a good enough school", "with scholarship to cover living cost" together.

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-8-13 20:23
MPhil:
US don't take much research master student (and thus their PhD is longer as the first two ye ...

OMG
It is very happy to hear from u. I will take ur advices into consideration carefully. THX~
I am wondering whether Canada is a good preparation for me to apply for US phD?
Yeah, of course I meant tution rather than living cost:lol

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小手微凉 发表于 2015-8-13 21:02
OMG
It is very happy to hear from u. I will take ur advices into consideration carefull ...

Canada one year MA in economics + RA.
I guess better than European one (keeping research ability constant) for geographic reason.

Toronto MA Econ is expensive (17K CAD tuition), and it is difficult to get the PhD stream (which have funding)
UBC MA Econ is around the same level as UofT, but with the international tuition scholarship, it is "just" around 4.3K, of course, according Canadian logic, spaces for international are always limited.
Queens and Western come afterwards. Tuition = I forgot.

another possible choice after that is a Canadian university PhD for sure.

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-8-13 21:41
Canada one year MA in economics + RA.
I guess better than European one (keeping research ability  ...

It is really a good idea for me. Thx a lot bro~
By the way, what do u mean by 'one year MA in economics + RA'?
Is that always one-year program or I need to select from programs? And is RA together with program or apply by myself?
:lol

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小手微凉 发表于 2015-8-13 22:08
It is really a good idea for me. Thx a lot bro~
By the way, what do u mean by 'one year MA in eco ...

Canada MA in Econommics is mostly one year only, i.e. it is very likely that you only have 1 semester of grade for PhD application if apply directly afterward, which maybe not enough for most case, and thus many applicant will like to work as a RA in the year after the master in order to have more research experience at the same time.
in general it is quite difficult to work as a RA during the first year (or impossible, especially for the 1st semester) as one need some time to get familar with the professor first.

RA is of course applied seperately. Seldom MA/MSc will have an RA attached with the master itself. (MPhil / research master is a different story, and this is the reason why they are often the best preparation for PhD - not only becuase of the funding, but also more likely to have potential RA/TA experience together, and two year coursework which have enough time)
多唔多RA位就很看funding了.

P.S.1 and if I were you, I won't dare to apply to Canada only, as the good economics school in Canada is really limited, and master place for internatioanl appliant in Canada is also very limited (Canada is not a big country, and they do have good protection for their reserach postion to local people)

P.S.2 咁講啦, 如果真的想衝top 50, 又要是US的話, 我覺得還是可以不省錢就不省錢..........能有效地place去US的master, 又便宜的很少.
Canada據說收國際生不多所以很難進,
EU不錯的econ school不少的但place去美國不易 (所以要有留歐的準備).
UK/US的好master倒是沒啥問題, 但是tution不會便宜....schloarship也不會多因為master都是用來賺錢的....

bsybenUID: 2988063

小手微凉 发表于 2015-8-13 16:44
还有请问版主大大，英国跳板大概能有多大的作用，能对得起那个时间成本么

LSE这种层次的绝对还是值得的，比这个低的不太值得。当然前提是你的目标是Top 30

bsybenUID: 2988063

zero的小号 发表于 2015-8-13 11:19
现在似乎美帝的学生也都倾向于先做RA再读phd了。至少我身边同学很多都是这样的。

我其实也觉得这样更好，不过RA真心难找。为了找个RA本科阶段还是要和系里面搞好关系，并且最好读一个Econ很好的本科学校。如果不具备条件的话建议有条件的本科同学考虑转校。

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bsyben 发表于 2015-8-13 10:49
美帝没有MPhil这个东西，在这边教授看来本科毕业就应该直接申PhD。。。Master那些东西是给你们这些没根没底 ...

the US way is to let the top student to have exposure to research during senior undergraduate (e.g. year 3/4).........and their master are in general for professional purpose as US PhD don't require a master for admission, which is mostly not the case outside US.
MPhil is just an intermediate step, and maybe awarded to someone who drop out of the PhD.

UK MPhil is also a bit mixed. In HK, MPhil = a 2 year research degree with funding, but in UK, it really depends on the school. For example, just say in economics, in Cambridge, MPhil is a one year master, which is indeed looks like an MSc the most, while in Oxford, that's a two year degree without heavy thesis component. while in LSE, the MRes/MPhil sounds like a intermediate step towards PhD more than any stand alone master.

If we move to the Netherlands, say TI, Tilburg, their MPhil is similar to HK (or vice versa), a 2 year research degree with a heavy research / thesis component.

In other EU country, for obvious historical reason, there are not clear separation between taught and research master (since they all go through 5 year, up to dipolm, which is now master after Bologna reform), and all master in research university (i.e. the famous one, instead of the applied one) are research in nature.