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Joyous15 发表于 2016-4-25 11:11

再次，文化天花板是存在，但是你反反复复强调这种问题并没有用，我也并不觉得这样多少能帮助别人多少。人不可能因为文化天花板放弃自己喜欢的职业，而我也不相信会因为天花板，就找不到某一份工作。

1. 絕對有可能。而且一直存在，因為這個天花板之低，足以令某些人有找不到工作要回家的風險.
加版有人轉科，不讀master讀second bachelor
再看看有多少人為了visa/OPT 轉讀STEM, 尤其是CS的就會明白了。

At the end,  喜歡的職業只是人生的一部份，每個人放的比重自然有所不同，故此取捨自然也不同。

你閣下不會這樣做是一回事, 但是把這個道理加諸所有人身上就有點太過了.


2. 你不相信不打緊，反正事實不會因你主觀的信念而改變。
文化差異未必會直接令人找不到工作(好像這裡也沒有人這樣說吧？)  但是會增加難度。
我之前所講的，就是這個難度增加的多少，在不同discipline 會有所不同。


3. 你好像還沒有說5,6 是甚麼的discrimination.
本人在此要求閣下澄清或是收回相關指控。

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wrath 发表于 2016-4-25 11:25
谁主张 谁举证懂吗？

你觉得加拿大很多中国人在当老师 自己去举证

I am so free that I did some google search, and here are some evidence showing that Visible Minority are definitely underrepresented in the teaching occupation when compared with the overall population.
http://home.oise.utoronto.ca/~jr ... April09.numbers.pdf
Page 11, Table 2, figures from the Statistics Canada

This is consistent as what I had claimed about the effect of cultural difference on job seeking as a teacher.

(of course it is still a question that what is the basis of this difference. Cultural Difference? Ethicality? Educational Background? but at least this is a general picture of the truth, whenever you like/believe it or not.

It will be also a question if the case for Chinese is different from other Visible Minority, but I have to assume that the difference is insignificant unless there are more detailed data.)

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-25 16:31
I am so free that I did some google search, and here are some evidence showing that Visible Minori ...

少数族裔一共也就占5%而已 不知道谁给他的勇气claim 很多中国老师...

我猜他是算上私人补课班 雅思班了吧

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wrath 发表于 2016-4-25 20:03
少数族裔一共也就占5%而已 不知道谁给他的勇气claim 很多中国老师...

我猜他是算上私人补课班 雅思班了 ...

Don't think this will hold even for private tutorial, nor IELTS class......

Maybe he/she is talking about a case like a class teaching Chinese as a second language......

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跳舞的摆摆 发表于 2016-4-24 12:18
我最近也在想去读本科算了...求抱团

then the question will become: what will you read in your second bachelor then?

the major conflict within your plan is not bachelor vs master, but indeed "switching to something that is easier to seek job as an international" vs "original career track".

I don't see any easy solution to balance them well yet, and seems giving up either side is a very difficult choice....

P.S. from a career point of view, I think doing a bachelor of English teaching as a Chinese student in HK is a horrible choice......maybe except for those who plan to go back China for development, and don't have enough $$ to go to US/UK.
Even not mentioning competition with those English native speaker from overseas..........well, normally HK student starts to learn English since kindergartens.......

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ybbhfjhh 发表于 2016-4-25 03:38
有没有文化天花板取决于你的职业而不是你呆多久。以学生身份呆一辈子也不会觉得有天花板，而且看你的帖子你 ...

高晓松这猪头还算"在好莱坞混"过的华人? 太滥竽充数了

好莱坞混得好的华人也就是成龙,吴宇森之类的.

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-25 20:37
then the question will become: what will you read in your second bachelor then?

the major con ...

香港人的英语烂到家了，比印度人都不如几条街。
我还小学二年级学BASIC编程呢，不说明任何问题。

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狐狸大叔 发表于 2016-4-25 20:45
香港人的英语烂到家了，比印度人都不如几条街。
我还小学二年级学BASIC编程呢，不说明任何问题。

惊现狐叔

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狐狸大叔 发表于 2016-4-25 20:45
香港人的英语烂到家了，比印度人都不如几条街。
我还小学二年级学BASIC编程呢，不说明任何问题。

I think it really depends on which group of HK people, and which group of India people you are comparing...........

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-25 00:34
1. what I mean on point 6 is not about university admission, but is about job seeking as an inte ...

左逼的政治正确仅限于针对黑魔三，左逼对于亚洲人的仇恨是到骨子里的。

稍微有点文化的华人都恨左逼。

Affirmative Action就是左逼折腾出来护着黑魔三，坑亚洲人的。反亚洲人尤其反华人言论在左逼看来是言论自由不算啥，只有歧视黑魔三才是种族歧视，左逼的基本盘是Soros+Black Lives Matter。

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-25 20:48
I think it really depends on which group of HK people, and which group of India people you are com ...

要是和泰戈尔比那不是扯淡

香港人英文烂，中文也烂是公认的事实。那少数1%的子女说事儿没有意义。

其实英语烂也没什么不好意思承认的。亚洲英语最好的国家是菲律宾，只能给香港当佣人。最发达的国家是日本，日本人英语还不如香港呢。

只不过很多香港人因为长期精神外F习惯了，不太能能接受香港人英语普遍烂的事实。

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狐狸大叔 发表于 2016-4-25 20:52
左逼的政治正确仅限于针对黑魔三，左逼对于亚洲人的仇恨是到骨子里的。

稍微有点文化的华人都恨左逼。 ...

I guess this is again related to the original sin of the society have.

US has the history related to discrimination against the black, and invading Mexico and etc....but not anything related to colonization in China or Asia.

This political correctness logic also hold in Europe somehow, but it is not black and Mexico, but more likely Muslim.....

P.S. I am not saying that I consider these kind of political correctness is something good to have, but just to say there are at least some theoretical fundamental for it, whether you are with / against it.

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-25 21:04
I guess this is again related to the original sin of the society have.

US has the history relat ...

秃子抗战之前US是有排华法案的...

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-25 04:00
Thats why I said he/she has no idea about what discrimination is..........except he/she is alike ...

你是1960年穿越过来的？

现在的左逼最喜欢的就是按人种分类，分完以后各种AA给黑墨拉福利。要是color blind，好点学校里的黑墨人数能减好几倍。

民主党左逼在加州搞SCA5就是个典型案例。

fisher vs university of texas 这都好几年前的事儿了，左逼主张大学录取照顾黑魔，逼得白人Fisher明明成绩比黑人好还不给录取。而比白人惨百倍的是亚洲人，UC一大爱好是欺负亚洲人，另外一大爱好是舔LGBT。

要真是color blind，不强调区分种族，黑墨去吃谁的福利。

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-25 21:04
I guess this is again related to the original sin of the society have.

US has the history relat ...

左逼跪舔黑墨是为了选票，左逼的良心早就被狗吃了。

排华法案的事情左逼从来不提，反正也没几张票。

早年除了密西西比华人一小嘬当上honorable white，一直是和泥哥用color厕所，坐公交车后面。