Issue1 学习类，第三篇，附中文提纲，越写越郁闷，顺便谈了这几天感想，大伙来拍

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Issue1. "We can usually learn much more from people whose views we share than from people whose views contradict our own; disagreement can cause stress and inhibit learning."
通常，我们从与我们意见相同的人身上学到的要比从那些与我们意见相悖的人身上学的东西要多得多；（因为）意见不统一会带来压力并且阻碍学习。
关键词 learning，share，contradict
没有任何两个人的对于同一事物的认识是完全相同的
social science vs natural science
落脚点在于是否能learn到
critical thinking，comprehensive understanding to our world

提纲    is   more
a1不同意。尽管disagreement有时会带来一定压力，但同时又会带来更多新的东西，因此，不同意见人能让我们学到更多。

2什么是。什么是。？我想触及题目隐含的问题。同意意味着在同一种模式中减少了其他可能性，我们可以从认可的人的书和交流中学到知识，获得信息实际上是一种limited extension。举例：如果我是我们可以从。然而，从不同人的眼中世界是不同的。不同意意味着有可能其他的模式在我们自己的模式之外unlimited extension，真正的学习是无止境的，没有结束，我们在生活中随时会碰到与自己的思维矛盾的东西，促使我们进一步思考，打破自身限制，带给我们更多的深层知识。

3Outside world，disagreement from others促使我们以新的视角，新的思考方式recognize again and reconsider in different ways，更深刻地问题和世界的认识，从而学到新的知识和理解more than。举例：举例：中西医Chinese medicine and Western medicine。

4Inside world，促使compel我们审视自己，找到自身的deficiencies besides merits 从而寻找更好的解决办法。举例，I.M.Pei如果全是agreement那么就不会有glass pyramid in Palace Louver Square。

5重复论点。引申，应该以平常的心态面对阻力，积极的心态转换思维，找出true reason然后用新的视角，新的思考方式，新的办法来解决。


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I disagree with the statement above. In my opinion, we can often learn much more from people whose views contradict our own than from people whose views we share, although there are times disagreement can cause stress and inhibit learning.

First of all, I tend to touch the question that the statement above concealed: what can agreement and disagreement give us during learning? Undoubtedly, from people whose views we agree with, we can learn some information and knowledge, which may be more accurate and detailed than what we hold. Actually, what we learned in this way is limited within an original extent narrowed by the agreement with others. However, the disagreement from people whose views contradict our own implies that there are possibilities of comprehension and solution of others beyond what we originally hold. Therefore, in front of disagreement we can learn much more not only from others through reconsidering the same thing in different views, but also from ourselves by scanning our deficiencies than from people whose views are similar to ours.

The most important reason for my statement is that when others disagree with us, from their distinct comprehension to the same thing we can learn to understand the same thing in new views and fresh concepts beyond our own original thought. Sometimes others' agreement would make us so confident that we consider something only in one way or exclude other ideas, leading to our narrow sights in a limited scope. For instance, when clone technology was first taught in biology classes in our university, my classmates and I were attracted to choose it as our elective course, because we all believed that human beings could benefit from its application in every field without any negative points. But the students majoring in anthropology disagreed with us in that it was "clone" would do a lot of harm to Human ethic in future. At last, in a later intense discussion rather than the mild communication among us, we found it would be really a big risk without strict limitation from long views.

Not only can disagreement help us learn more comprehensive understanding to the world around us, but also enable us to learn how to resolve problems more reasonably by rejudging our primary projects and solution. For example, ten years ago, many medicine researchers in Japan worked hard together in order to reduce the side-effect of antibiotic in treatment. They believed that western medicine could resolve the problem, but until last year they got little progress even with the help of authorities of western medicine from Europe. Recently, disagreement from Chinese medicine awoke them to think medicine in another way and reconsider the relationship between western medicine and Chinese medicine. Then by learning Chinese medicine for a year they found a new method to reduce the side-effect of antibiotic.

Admittedly, sometimes disagreement can cause stress and inhibit learning. However, if we can deal with disagreement in an active way, it would do good to our learning. In the final analysis, we can usually learn much more from disagreement than from agreement, although we can also learn something from people whose views we share.

:mad: 说点自己的真实感受不吐不快：写这篇issue实在是越写越郁闷，自己都觉得怎么越写越恶心呢？感觉是不是自己晕教育和学习类啊，可没听人家说谁晕教育类啊？也许自己的思路没打开吗？
最大的难题是：把中文提纲写成英文的过程中，不是个别语句的问题，而是感觉明明中文提纲的逻辑和表达很顺利成章，可写成英文就是特别恶心，逻辑乱套，而且自己好像被困在两种语言间的犹豫不决中，看人家限时成功又羡慕又着急啊，怎么自己的头三篇平均都五六个小时呢？？？？………心都快凉了………
再次郁闷……
也许是自己太想较真，也许开始应该先把速度练上去不管那么多犹豫不决，反正想半天还是没什么效果…….也许应该先每个大类写5个提纲再追求速度？？……….也许….
快考了，真挺郁闷的…..
但，还是得挺住，没准名早就思路大开，字如泉涌….hehe….
特高兴认识大伙儿，收到不少鼓励，再次感谢！！！
啊。。。。回头一看上面这段话也够恶心的，跟告别仪式斯的
不多说了，努力！！ ;)

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No.1  Issue1 学习类，第三篇，附中文提纲，越写越郁闷，顺便谈了这几天感想，大伙来拍！！！
Issue1. "We can usually learn much more from people whose views we share than from people whose views contradict our own; disagreement can cause stress and inhibit learning."
通常，我们从与我们意见相同的人身上学到的要比从那些与我们意见相悖的人身上学的东西要多得多；（因为）意见不统一会带来压力并且阻碍学习。


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I disagree with the statement above. In my opinion, we can often learn much more from people whose views contradict our own than from people whose views we share, although [U]there are times[/U] disagreement can cause stress and inhibit learning.

（这一段几乎照抄主题， 能否换成自己的话语。 最后一句"there are times"别扭， 为何不用"sometimes"）

First of all, I tend to [U]touch the question [/U]that the statement above concealed: what can agreement and disagreement give us during learning? Undoubtedly, from people whose views we agree with, we can learn some information and knowledge, which may be more accurate and detailed than what we hold. Actually, what we learned in this way is limited within an original extent narrowed by the agreement with others. However, the disagreement from people whose views contradict our own implies that there are possibilities of comprehension and solution of others beyond what we originally hold. Therefore, in front of disagreement we can learn much more not only from others through reconsidering the same thing in different views, but also from ourselves by scanning our deficiencies than from people whose views are similar to ours.

（这一段对disagreement的分析论述太少， 倒是agreement的作用作者反复说明，既然你以下一段“The most important reason”是详细表述disagreement的作用， 那less important的呢？）

The most important reason for my statement is that when others disagree with us, from their distinct comprehension to the same thing we can learn to understand the same thing in new views and fresh concepts beyond our own original thought. Sometimes others' agreement would make us so confident that we consider something only in one way or exclude other ideas, leading to our narrow sights in a limited scope. For instance, when clone technology was first taught in biology classes in our university, my classmates and I were attracted to choose it as our elective course, because we all believed that human beings could benefit from its application in every field without any negative points. But the students majoring in anthropology disagreed with us in that it was "clone" would do a lot of harm to Human ethic in future. At last, in a later intense discussion rather than the mild communication among us, we found it would be really a big risk without strict limitation from long views.

（作者用学习“克隆”技术来论述disagreement的好处，但是最后的结论竟然是clone是很冒险的，能否详细说明你从不同意见人那里学到什么，这样比较好  。  original 这个词用的太多了 ）

Not only can disagreement help us learn more comprehensive understanding to the world around us, but also enable us to learn how to resolve problems more reasonably by rejudging our primary projects and solution. For example, ten years ago, many medicine researchers in Japan worked hard together in order to reduce the side-effect of antibiotic in treatment. They believed that western medicine could resolve the problem, but until last year they got little progress even with the help of authorities of western medicine from Europe. Recently, disagreement from Chinese medicine awoke them to think medicine in another way and reconsider the relationship between western medicine and Chinese medicine. Then by learning Chinese medicine for a year they found a new method to reduce the side-effect of antibiotic.
（作者用中医和西医来对比： 在这项研究中，中医是否否定了西医呢，或者西医否定中医？还是西医忽略的，而中医没有忽略， 作者简单的用“disagreement from Chinese medicine” ， 作者也写了“think medicine in another way ”好像有点牵强附会， 有点犯了argument的错。  “learn much more”, 并没有要论述是否对待事物的方式的改变， 这段是否紧扣主题了呢 ）

Admittedly, sometimes disagreement can cause stress and inhibit learning. However, if we can deal with disagreement in an active way, it would do good to our learning. In the final analysis, we can usually learn much more from disagreement than from agreement, although we can also learn something from people whose views we share.

（作者论点是disagreement可以学到更多，但是总是念念不忘agreement也很好， 这点削弱了论点， 相信在文中稍微提及就可以了， 不用 反复说明， 尤其最后一段来个although，实在让人感觉很怪 ）


纵观全文， 很多地方反复说明， 有点累赘， 例子举的不是很恰当。 其他优点我也不说了。。。。。

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真心感谢migao的砖头,真是砖砖见血啊，尤其是body1,2,3的评述，感觉很有建设性，我刚按着你的意见改了一遍，再发上来，大伙接着拍，至于“例子举的不是很恰当”我还没来得及换，俺在找找，争取早点法上来。
再次感谢migao ;) 期待你的文章，俺也拍拍啊

第一遍改文：

I disagree with the statement above. In my opinion, from people whose views contradict ours we can often learn much more than from people whose views we share, although sometimes disagreement can undermine learning by causing stress.

换了一下语序，俺实在觉得没啥可说了，兄弟可有好点的的开头

First of all, I tend to ask the question the statement above concealed: what can agreement and disagreement give us during learning? Undoubtedly, from people whose views we agree with, we can learn some information and knowledge. In fact, what we learned in this way is limited within an original extent narrowed by the agreement with others, because they are merely more accurate and detailed than what we hold. In contrast, the disagreement from people whose views contradict our own implies that there are possibilities of comprehension and solution of others beyond what we originally hold. Therefore, in front of disagreement we can learn much more not only from others through reconsidering the same thing in different views, but also from ourselves by scanning our deficiencies than from people whose views are similar to ours.

俺把第三四句调整了顺序。这段是想作为外围段，即先让步，接agreement的局限性，然后话锋一转到disagreement的相对好处，最后一句细化一下总论点引起下文

The most important reason for my statement is that when others disagree with us, from their distinct comprehension to the same thing we can learn to understand the same thing in new views and fresh concepts beyond our own primary thought. Sometimes others' agreement would make us so confident that we consider something only in one way or exclude other ideas, leading to our narrow sights in a limited scope. For instance, when clone technology was first taught in biology classes in our university, my classmates and I were attracted to choose it as our elective course, because we all believed that human beings could benefit from its application in every field without any negative points. But the students majoring in anthropology disagreed with us. In a later intense dispute with the opponents, when we were asked to reconsider the impact of "clone" in the future on Human ethic, we learned that it would be really a big risk without strict limitation from long views. From the disagreement we learn the negative points and potential danger of “clone” rather than from the mild communication among ourselves.


Not only can disagreement help us learn more comprehensive understanding to the world around us, but also enable us to learn how to resolve problems more properly by rejudging our primary projects and solution. For example, ten years ago, many medicine researchers in Japan worked hard together in order to reduce the side effect of antibiotic in treatment. They believed that western medicine could resolve the problem, but until last year they got little progress even with the help of authorities of western medicine from Europe. It is interesting that several Chinese medicine experts were also researching the same issue in China. They held the different views from western medicine in that it ignored the significance of traditional herb. However recently, it is disagreement from Chinese medicine awoke Japanese researchers to add some herb into their research in another way and reconsider the relationship between western medicine and Chinese medicine. Then they found a new method to reduce the side-effect of antibiotic by combining the traditional Chinese herb and their western medicine theory.

Admittedly, sometimes disagreement can cause stress and inhibit learning. However, if we can deal with disagreement in an active way, it would do good to our learning. In the final analysis, we can usually learn much more from disagreement than from agreement

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Agreement and disagreement play very different but equally important roles in learning processes. Agreement helps us construct our confidence and develop our views more widely. Otherwise, disagreement offers us opportunities to observe the world in another angle and develop our views deeper. Some time, we even learn more from those people whose views contradict our own for their contrary views may provide abundant new information concerning the same topic.


自己感觉语言表达还有些问题。回头再改改。估计是明天了。今天有点晚了


First of all, I tend to touch the question that the statement above concealed（有一点废话的感觉，不过还不完全是废话）: what can agreement and disagreement give us during learning?（抓住了实质。赞！就看你下面的阐述了） Undoubtedly, from people whose views we agree with, we can learn some information（information 一般是gain,knowledge 是Learn） and knowledge, which may be more accurate and detailed than what we hold. Actually, what we learned in this way is limited within an original extent narrowed by the agreement with others. However, the disagreement from people whose views contradict our own implies that there are possibilities of comprehension and solution of others beyond what we originally hold.（赞。观点和犀利。但是表达并不出色。） Therefore, in front of （in front of好生硬啊.用facing 行不）disagreement we can learn much more not only from others through reconsidering the same thing in different views, but also from ourselves by scanning our deficiencies than from people whose views are similar to ours.

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blur13_0: 看到你发的感想， 我也想说几句话。我得做法是，看到题目后先形成自己的观念，没想法就先看看别人的文章。表达上以通顺为原则，而非故意弄些看上去复杂的句式。举例和陈述服从每部分的观点。  
我觉得你这篇文章，读起来不是很顺，至于举例有人发表过意见，我就不多说了。
文章只会越写越顺，加油！！！