ISSUE102 拍砖罗！

冥界星灿UID: 184746

102"For better or worse, education is a process that involves revising the ideas, beliefs, and values people held in the past."

According to the statements pointed, what the education actually do is to revise the ideas and believes as well as values people hold. The stated conditions seemed to sound, however, as far as I am concerned, I hold the view that adding the valuation of the education is the nature of inducing the ideas, believes and values in human nature but not revising them.

At the first glance, providing students the formatted idea, believe and value system is the function of education. All the thermos and formation----the ideas delivered in science courses, the materialism belief proceeded in all nature curriculums, as well as the way to value an composion in art disciplines are all concrete examples persuasively support the position hold in the statements. Admittedly, no education could escape from tell all the knowledge, information and value system hold both in the both preceding and contemporary society. The introduction of established system takes out a relatively long time in one's education period no matter which field an individual major in.

However, let's get down to the reality and agree that the production of all kinds of education----individual in this brilliant world, are various from one to another regardless of how similar he/she was educated. The seemed stubborn formation thus did not get the purpose if the statement provided is reasoning. The most important point but just which is most likely to be ignored by the mass is, the education give all the formation established is just a instrument to solve various problems come around, not the closed system and formation one must obey. That is, what the education system actually does is to tell you how to walk but the speed, the path and the place you desire to go is depend on no body expect yourself. The scientists who was educated by just the same theories use the thermos and theories to solve all kings of problems delivered and provided various hypotheses which may go against each other, the sculptor use their same gadgets to create different productions. As the cases stands, education just told the students to use the same mechanism to create various ideas, beliefs and values.

In fact, the education system induced human's ideas, beliefs and values rather than revise them. Consider, for example, a child did not know what he/she want to do, who he/she what to became and which kind of life he/she desire. However, after several years education, their minds not only derived but various from one to another. That is the education, which induce their nature laid deeply in their heart. Reviewed the human being's history, we can take in our mind that Max Planck educated by Classical Mechanics delivered Quantum Mechanics, Pablo Picasso founded cubism from perspective painting and Isaac Newton who was educated thoroughly and perfectly by materialism still sticked to his own beliefs and showed an interest in mysticism and theology. All that can be said by assembling the evidence is that the ideas, believes and values one holds has no certain relationship with the education delivered.

As the case stands, the same education provided various individuals with all kinds of ideas, believes and values all around. Thus, we can safely come to the conclusion that the system induce the nature of human beings rather than format it.

G猫UID: 192988

102"For better or worse, education is a process that involves revising the ideas, beliefs, and values people held in the past."

According to the statements pointed, what the education actually do [does] is to revise the ideas and believes as well as values people hold. The stated conditions seemed to sound [奇怪的表述,奇怪的时态] , however, as far as I am concerned, I hold the view that adding the valuation of the education is the nature of inducing the ideas, believes and values in human nature but not revising them.
[有个疑问, involve的意思, 说involve revising 就是否定了 inducing么? 我的理解是教育的过程包括这些, 它没提到不见得就否定, 不知道是不是这样]

At the first glance, providing students the formatted idea, believe and value system is the function of education. All the thermos and formation----the ideas delivered in science courses, the materialism belief proceeded in all nature curriculums, as well as the way to value an composion in art disciplines are all concrete examples persuasively support the position hold in the statements. [题目说revising, 可是你的例子并不支持,怎么support呀]  Admittedly, no education could escape from tell [telling] all the knowledge, information and value system hold [held] both in the both preceding [previous?] and contemporary society. The introduction of established system takes out [up] a relatively long time in one's education period no matter which field an individual major in. [major in field?]

[ 这一段你是对题目让步,不知道是我理解的偏差还你的,我觉得你的让步似乎没有指向对方论点核心的部分,你这一段承认教育要给学生已有的知识体系, 可是我觉得题目的关键词在revising, 这一点你似乎一点也没提到]

However, let's get down to the reality and agree that the production of all kinds of education----individual in this brilliant world, are [is] various [似乎various不能这样用, distinct吧,强调差异]  from one to another regardless of how similar he/she was educated.  The seemed stubborn formation thus did not get the purpose if the statement provided is reasoning. [对方观点成立照样可以有distinct 的individual, 每个人revising难道都是相同的结果,] The most important point but just [???] which is most likely to be ignored by the mass is, [that] the education give all the formation established is just a instrument to solve various problems come around, not the closed system and formation one must obey [这句语病大大的,完全看不懂你写什么]. That is, what the education system actually does is to tell you how to walk but the speed, the path and the place you desire to go is depend on no body expect yourself. The scientists who was educated by just the same theories use the thermos and theories to solve all kings of problems delivered and provided various hypotheses which may go against each other, the sculptor use their same gadgets to create different productions. As the cases stands, education just told the students to use the same mechanism to create various ideas, beliefs and values. [我感觉看得好晕呀]

In fact, the education system induced human's ideas, beliefs and values rather than revise them [这个观点似乎在让步之后就应该提出] Consider, for example, a child did not know what he/she want to do, who he/she what to became and which kind of life he/she desire. However, after several years education, their minds not only derived but various from one to another. [又来了,跟上面重复, 不能说明问题的例子] That is the education, which induce their nature laid deeply in their heart. Reviewed the human being's history, we can take in our mind that Max Planck educated by Classical Mechanics delivered Quantum Mechanics, Pablo Picasso founded cubism from perspective painting and Isaac Newton who was educated thoroughly and perfectly by materialism still sticked to his own beliefs and showed an interest in mysticism and theology.  All that can be said by assembling the evidence is that the ideas, believes and values one holds has no certain relationship with the education delivered. [人们的ideas…和教育带来的无关?? 感觉你首先对题目的理解有问题, 逻辑也挺混乱的]

As the case stands, the same education provided various individuals with all kinds of ideas, believes and values all around. Thus, we can safely come to the conclusion that the system induce the nature of human beings rather than format it. [又变成format了, format跟revise有很大差距吧]

冥界星灿UID: 184746

感谢G猫玉笔！改的很细致，待我细细看来，感谢先！！

冥界星灿UID: 184746

1、The stated conditions seemed to sound [奇怪的表述,奇怪的时态] ,
改说seem to persuasive对吧^_^

2、however, as far as I am concerned, I hold the view that adding the valuation of the education is the nature of inducing the ideas, believes and values in human nature but not revising them.
[有个疑问, involve的意思, 说involve revising 就是否定了 inducing么? 我的理解是教育的过程包括这些, 它没提到不见得就否定, 不知道是不是这样]

没说involve啊？我认为revise 和induce在这里有相反的意思，是不是错了？ 是想说教育引导和发散了人们的思维，而不是去修饰和限制它。没说清楚？

3、All the thermos and formation----the ideas delivered in science courses, the materialism belief proceeded in all nature curriculums, as well as the way to value an composion in art disciplines are all concrete examples persuasively support the position hold in the statements. [题目说revising, 可是你的例子并不支持,怎么support呀]

[ 这一段你是对题目让步,不知道是我理解的偏差还你的,我觉得你的让步似乎没有指向对方论点核心的部分,你这一段承认教育要给学生已有的知识体系, 可是我觉得题目的关键词在revising, 这一点你似乎一点也没提到]

[对方观点成立照样可以有distinct 的individual, 每个人revising难道都是相同的结果,]

Consider, for example, a child did not know what he/she want to do, who he/she what to became and which kind of life he/she desire. However, after several years education, their minds not only derived but various from one to another. [又来了,跟上面重复, 不能说明问题的例子]

Thus, we can safely come to the conclusion that the system induce the nature of human beings rather than format it. [又变成format了, format跟revise有很大差距吧]



    一针见血。其实我就是不理解教育修正的什么东西，每个人已有的知识体系和价值体系都是它给format也就是灌输的，那还修正个什么？所以就直接把它理解成把人们的思想做一个框定，即修正是修正个体（individual）与整体(the public)的差异，修订使之相同；而没有理解成与个人过去持有的想法的修正？你是这个意思吗？到底该怎么样那？这是个大问题。欢迎讨论！！


4、 [major in field?]
应该是？major in subject该没问题，可是，major in field好像也行，不过没那么地道和正是。说得好！


5、 The most important point but just [???] which is most likely to be ignored by the mass is, [that] the education give {×give×＝》provided} all the formation established is just a instrument to solve various problems come around, not the closed system and formation one must obey [这句语病大大的,完全看不懂你写什么].

把第二行那个give 换成provided, 可以了吧？原来两个谓语，难怪你郁闷^_^

just 是强调，just which, just the point which is most likely to be ignored---

that, 宾语从句，不作成分，是不是可以省？


6、That is, what the education system actually does is to tell you how to walk but the speed, the path and the place you desire to go is depend on no body expect yourself. The scientists who was educated by just the same theories use the thermos and theories to solve all kings of problems delivered and provided various hypotheses which may go against each other, the sculptor use their same gadgets to create different productions. As the cases stands, education just told the students to use the same mechanism to create various ideas, beliefs and values. [我感觉看得好晕呀]

科学家的例子一句话太长了，不晕才怪.下次注意


7、In fact, the education system induced human's ideas, beliefs and values rather than revise them [这个观点似乎在让步之后就应该提出]
每提是因为第二段是想驳论的，驳斥第一段，也就是题目观点。而驳倒后，第三段是真正的立论段。是不是这样不好？欢迎讨论！！

8、 All that can be said by assembling the evidence is that the ideas, believes and values one holds has no certain relationship with the education delivered. [人们的ideas…和教育带来的无关?? 感觉你首先对题目的理解有问题, 逻辑也挺混乱的]

还是有对题目理解的问题。与第三点同问。

应该是想说和教育传授（灌输）的无关，因此想证明教育根本没灌输给人们什么。这个逆否命题真是不对劲呢。你提的有道理。

高手就是高手。万分感谢G猫的认真批改!!!^_^

冥界星灿UID: 184746

第三个问题，大家有兴趣的看看，感觉有必要^_^

冥界星灿UID: 184746

第三个问题，G猫是对的，我关了电脑又看题目才看到in the past. 真是要命，看来审题真是要狠小心才对。
谢过G猫了

G猫UID: 192988

我是这样理解这个题的, revise是修正的意思. 我完全同意题目的观点, 它提到的the ideas, beliefs, and values people held in the past并不是指作为整体的知识体系或者价值标准什么的,而是对个体来说, 现有的想法,信仰和价值取向, 个体在不断地通过教育获得新的知识地时候, 就是要重新审视自己旧有的看法, 不断完善自己, 完善科学. 就像表面上看来是创新的科学发现, 从某种程度上来说也是对旧有体系的修正, 在我看来revising也可以是创新, 因为revising并不会限定在一定的框框里, 正确永远没有绝对的标准.

bcomerUID: 182621

……似乎是很难改了：）

revise:

1. to look over again in order to correct or improve
2. to make a new amended, improved, or up-to-dated vversion of
3. to provide with a new taxonomic arrangement

第一个定义包括了correct和improve 就是在正确和进步的两个方面属于revise的范畴
第二个定义包括了amendment和up-to-dated就是补充和更新 在完备方面也属于revise的范畴
第三个定义又做了小的补充

基本上是个改变就可以说是revise，似乎是很难反驳了，除非……

没有思想，或是思想不连续，否则还是支持这个观点吧

个人建议：）同时ding你一下:)