issue1 鬼鬼 我来交作业啦

so猫UID: 148633

1. "We can usually learn much more from people whose views we share than from people whose views contradict our own; disagreement can cause stress and inhibit learning."

思路：彻底反对
1. 让步, 的确很多时候相反的意见施加压力, 阻碍学习的过程
2. 转折, 但相反意见的合理对待能带来很多相同意见所不能带来的好处
1) 通过辩论, 加深理解
2) 找出谬误, 找到真理
结论: 找到合适的方法看待disagreement 就能学到更多

It is well believed that contradiction always makes things complicated and difficult to learn, while consistency never crease argument thus promote the process of study. However, as far as I am concerned, the views which are against to ours can offer more for us to learn than those we share. These disagreements to some extent improve the learning rather than inhibit or destroy it.

Admittedly, disagreement causes stress and troubles in the process of study sometimes. Based on personal experience, at the early stage of learning a new subject, contradicted views and suggestion always push me into the sea of puzzles that I cannot tell the differences between truth and false -let alone to pick up the right from the wrong. Also, one need no further to newspapers and magazines in which people debate (quarrel, more exactly to say) for the opposite points of view. Unfortunately, usually what they did actually was to hold firmly their own belief and to discriminate and criticize others strongly regardless what others may say. Under such circumstances, the quality of study is absolutely damaged and the impediment was made in the learning.

Nevertheless, if utilized properly, the views contradicting to our own will teach us more those we share. The consistency in minds undoubtedly produce simplicity of problem and confidence; yet it lacks mentally conflicts and brainstorm; thus eliminate the possibility of invention and improvement. Meanwhile, the contraction forces people to look back into themselves thus pushes the process of study and investigation forward. When disagreement appears, it cannot escape from the investigation for its trueness. And it is not hard to infer that there are overall three possible situations at the end of the investigation: the disagreement is right; it is wrong; or both the disagreement and one's own opinions are wrong. Fortunately, from these three final destinations we could learn much more than we expected.

Firstly, if the disagreement is shown correct in the process of debate and conference, one should realize that it indicates that his/her own belief may be wrong, at least not so perfect as he/she thought at the beginning. From such contradiction or even strongly mental revolution one can finally find what is truth rather than to believe in a false forever. Thousands of years the substitution of a new theory instead of an old one can be referred here as an example. New disagreement was raised, checked, accepted and learned by generations meanwhile the old wrong views were abandoned and forgotten. All of these pursuits of truth are due to the premier disagreement, not the common ground we share.

Secondly, during the discussion one finds out that the disagreement are of nonsense, to carry on the discussion is not equal to wasting time walking with an idiot. Actually, the appearance of this disagreement cannot do anything damaging the logic and capability of analysis one has, but prove at last that it is wrong. People can be firmer to their believes and see much more clearer what their opinions really are, rather than trust it blindedly. Take Bruno for example. The flows of disagreement did not threaten him but made him insist on his own hypothesis more. Also for ordinary people, often we suffer the variable impacts towards our religions or life styles; yet I rarely have heard that someone changed it easily because of the existence of these contradictions. This further understanding and firmer belief could solely be obtained through the face with disagreement.

Thirdly, it is not rare that as the time lapse one discovers that both the disagreement and his/her own view are wrong. Under certain circumstance, people learn experience of committing mistakes and the skills to find the false in seemly right views; thus they are getting closer to reality and truth. For supporting example, the long debate about the nature of light could be taken as an instance. After decades of debates and experiments, scientists have found what light really is both in microscopic and macroscopic realms. Without the early disagreement toward the traditional Newton hypothesis about light, nobody can tell when this mystery would be solved out.

To conclusion, disagreement though it looks offensive at the first glance, it actually supplies people with a new aspect to look at one thing, no matter it is proved at last right or wrong. What it does to the process of learning is actually to give you a spoon of medicine rather than a taste of sugar; in other words, the disagreement give a chance to improve one's own point of view- that is what consistency can never do.

一小时45分钟
越写越长了
郁闷

这次不用马甲发了 一个一个通知怪麻烦了
也是看到兔子发的那么多人拍
心痒

大家就拍吧拍吧

老规矩 还是只改了拼写
这次有800字了 严重汗~~~~

各位老大 靠你们了~~~

DriverEntryUID: 143979

It is well believed that contradiction always makes things complicated and difficult to learn, while consistency never crease argument thus promote the process of study.

这句没看明白。反驳为什么会让事情更复杂，更难学呢？不是说真理越辩越明么？ 如果说让事情更复杂的话，那就是无休止的辩论和诡辩？ ：(

后半句，CREASE应该是CEASE把？ 一致就能够促进学习了么？为什么呢？你是想说在大家假设，前提都一致的情况下，大家就可以一起深入讨论下去么？

：) 先看到这里，休息，休息一下。

乒乓球爱上九月UID: 162925

我要是你,不会让步,直接上来说有什么好处,再把你让步段换个论调:为什么会有这样的情况发生呢?方式不对,不是disagreement不对!! 让人回嘴的余地都没有.

鬼谷子UID: 159645

猫啊
不是我说你
800words
在考场是没有时间写这么多滴～～～
简练一点吧
先占着
今天还有事
晚上回来批

so猫UID: 148633

糊涂了~~~
什么意思呢
乒乓球说的是虾米意思???
让步不写了?

司机的意思我大概明白了 可是是我的思路有问题还是表达有问题
我觉得已经说清楚了呀~~~~
哭着飘走
反省中

fengboallanUID: 157405

猫猫，我来回答你问题好了
如果你的观点是disagree或者agree。第一段就绝对不能让步。而且还是彻底的反对
开头，很明确的告诉老外我是全否定的。第一段你有让步起来了，而且用那么大的篇幅，老外不久会以为你逻辑相当混乱么。他们的思维不像中国人，喜欢娓娓道来。或者是先来个小铺垫，在反对。所以，对他们，上来就的enhance你的观点。不能让步，让步，也地放在后面
最后的结尾处一笔带过，这是思维的问题。但，是原则问题。千万不能让。篇幅上让你得disagree的所有东西占到90%才行。

第二个问题，你写了800字，不知道你什么速度。但是，超出了实际的意义的东西再好的又能怎么样。把你的字数限制到你限时能够打完的水平上吧。即使这篇文章你能打7分，我们帮你看，又能怎样。用不上啊


我说话太直接，呵呵，不过我还挺喜欢小猫的
哈哈

欢迎指正！

so猫UID: 148633

哦 楼上的这位不晓得怎么称呼的兄台
你是谁马甲吧~~~怎么觉得有点怪
先谢过了哈~~~~
偶写完了的时候也觉得有点问题 哪有一开始就admittedly的咧
但是就是酱紫想D 所以就酱紫写了

不行了 这段时间写散漫的文字习惯了 不会写issue了快
字数的问题我会注意的 现在还没有限定时间 2小时内能写800 所以还是不着急的

不过内容问题的确需要汗一下~~~

再次谢谢啦

鬼谷子UID: 159645

No.1 issue1 鬼鬼 我来交作业啦
1.        "We can usually learn much more from people whose views we share than from people whose views contradict our own; disagreement can cause stress and inhibit learning."

思路：彻底反对
1. 让步, 的确很多时候相反的意见施加压力, 阻碍学习的过程
2. 转折, 但相反意见的合理对待能带来很多相同意见所不能带来的好处
1) 通过辩论, 加深理解
2) 找出谬误, 找到真理
结论: 找到合适的方法看待disagreement 就能学到更多

【看到你的提纲知道你要在B1让步，最近看到了很多开头就让步的文章，说一点我的想法吧。我觉得，让步的作用应该是让你的论述更全面一点，就是说在论证你的观点之余也承认一下确实存在一些相反观点的情况。那么，我觉得body的前几段就应该用来论述你支持的观点，最后才让步一下，显得考虑问题比较全面。而且，越是重要的内容越应该放在文章的前面部分，如果把让步的内容放在B1了会影响你所支持的观点的力度的。因此，我不赞成在开头B1就让步的写法。】

It is well believed that contradiction always makes things complicated and difficult to learn, while consistency never crease【ceases，检查啊】 argument thus promote the process of study. However, as far as I am concerned, the views which are against to ours can offer more for us to learn than those we share. These disagreements to some extent improve the learning rather than inhibit or destroy it.

Admittedly, disagreement causes stress and troubles in the process of study sometimes. Based on personal experience, at the early stage of learning a new subject, contradicted views and suggestion always push me into the sea of puzzles that I cannot tell the differences between truth and false【fault】 -let alone to pick up the right from the wrong. 【感觉。。。truth/fault ， right/wrong的意思差不多呢】Also, one need no further 【这里缺东西啊】to newspapers and magazines in which people debate (quarrel, more exactly to say) for the opposite points of view. Unfortunately, usually what they 【who？】did actually was to hold firmly their own belief and to discriminate and criticize others strongly regardless what others may say. Under such circumstances, the quality of study is absolutely damaged and the impediment was made in the learning. 【这个例子感觉不是很好，首先你说的情况不是普遍的情况，然后，觉得跟学习没有什么关系啊】

Nevertheless, if utilized properly, the views contradicting to our own will teach us more 【少了个than，检查啊】those we share. The consistency in minds undoubtedly produce 【produces，检查啊！！。。。】simplicity of problem and confidence; yet it lacks mentally conflicts and brainstorm【brainstorming】; thus 【分号后面是句子，你这个缺主语】eliminate the possibility of invention and improvement. Meanwhile, the contraction【contradiction，检查检查检查。。】 forces people to look back into themselves thus pushes the process of study and investigation forward. When disagreement appears, it【指什么？】 cannot escape from the investigation for its trueness. And it is not hard to infer that there are overall three possible situations at the end of the investigation: the disagreement is right; it is wrong; or both the disagreement and one's own opinions are wrong. Fortunately, from these three final destinations we could learn much more than we expected. 【我觉得不是from这三个可能，应该是from这个学习和investigate的过程，我们学到了更多。】
Firstly, if the disagreement is shown correct in the process of debate and conference, one should realize that it indicates that his/her own belief may be wrong, at least not so perfect as he/she thought at the beginning. From such contradiction or even strongly mental revolution one can finally find what is truth【true！】 rather than to believe in a false 【又一次错了，这个是形容词和副词，不是名词，名词是fault】forever. Thousands of years the substitution of a new theory instead of an old one can be referred here as an example. New disagreement【disagreement是说意见不同，而不是相反的意见，这里应该说new theory/idea/view/thought之类的】 was raised, checked, accepted and learned by generations meanwhile the old wrong views were abandoned and forgotten. All of these pursuits of truth are due to the premier disagreement, not the common ground we share. 【我觉得应该举一个具体的科学方面或者理论方面的例子好一点，而且最后应该扣到learn上，这才是题目关注的问题】

Secondly, during the discussion one finds out that the disagreement are of nonsense【be of后面接的应该是形容词】, to carry on the discussion is not equal to wasting time walking with an idiot. Actually, the appearance of this disagreement cannot do anything damaging the logic and capability of analysis one has, but prove at last that it is wrong. 【最后哪个wrong啊】 People can be firmer to【be firm to有这样的表达吗？】 their believes and see much more clearer what their opinions really are, rather than trust it blindedly. 【blindly，怎么了啊猫，怎么全是这样的小错误啊！】 Take Bruno for example. The flows of disagreement did not threaten him but made him insist on his own hypothesis more. 【你这例子说的也太简略了啊】 Also for ordinary people, often we suffer the variable impacts towards our religions or life styles; yet I rarely have heard that someone changed it easily because of the existence of these contradictions. This further understanding and firmer belief could solely be obtained through the face with disagreement. 【觉得好像不是在论述disagreements和learn的关系，题目的中心我觉得应该是我们从相同观点还是不同观点learn到的东西多，要围绕着中心来写啊】
Thirdly, it is not rare that as the time lapse【lapses】 one discovers that both the disagreement and his/her own view are wrong. Under certain circumstance, people learn experience of committing mistakes and the skills to find the false 【。。。看来不是笔误，是你一直都背错了。。。】 in seemly right views; thus they are getting closer to reality and truth. 【我觉得“两个都错了就导致勇于承认错误和找到错误发现真理”，这不是必然的】For supporting example, the long debate about the nature of light could be taken as an instance. 【罗嗦，又example又instance的】 After decades of debates and experiments, scientists have found what light really is both in microscopic and macroscopic realms. Without the early disagreement toward the traditional Newton hypothesis about light, nobody can tell when this mystery would be solved out. 【我觉得这个例子交代的也不是很清楚，因为你没说出来当初的disagreement是什么，如何导致后来的发展的，另外，同样的问题是，没有紧扣住learn的问题】

To conclusion, disagreement though it looks offensive at the first glance, it actually supplies people with a new aspect to look at one thing, no matter it is proved at last right or wrong. What it does to the process of learning is actually to give you a spoon of medicine rather than a taste of sugar; in other words, the disagreement give a chance to improve one's own point of view- that is what consistency can never do.
【好长，各种小错误到处都是，刚看了发贴时间才知道问题所在，凌晨4点你还在写作文当然会头脑不清了！首先感觉你分的三个方面很有新意，但是，问题是你没有紧紧扣住learn来说，一定要控制住思路不能散才行啊！另外就是让步的安排问题，我个人的意见还是不主张在开头让步。总体感觉比昨天的那篇好！继续努力吧！还要注意休息好！】

so猫UID: 148633

恩 收到了 一定认真改正的说

PS: 偶是真的以为false又是adj又是n的~~~

lakeqianUID: 157560

so loooooooong...
猫猫怎么还要考？

fengboallanUID: 157405

呵呵，感觉，猫是来自湖北的。因为有个同学就是说话的时候愿意带咧。呵呵，俨然一个argument 应该攻击的对象。他是湖北的，未必你就是阿。

还有阿，请教，啥时马甲阿。东北大汉不懂
呵呵

本想给你改的，不过，有鬼大哥改了
就不敢再拍了。他是牛牛

就不用别人了
呵呵
有你的新作，我一定帮忙
认识一下
我三月1号
G作文

QQ4048285

so猫UID: 148633

to: 楼上的
你非常聪明的说 而且有足够细致的观察能力 推理也合理
真相只有一个 那就是 恭喜你答对了 猫就是来自湖北D~~~

没空就忙自己的好了 我不是很有空改大家的文的 只能尽量抽空

to lakeqian:
是要重新考 上次的cancel掉了
你也帮忙给我拍嘛 谢谢啦哈~~~

jorgeUID: 108878

猫猫。 你什么时候考咧 ?

:p

so猫UID: 148633

兔兔咧个啥咧呢
猫猫321考!

davidjackyUID: 135962

https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=248415

No.1 issue1 鬼鬼 我来交作业啦
1. "We can usually learn much more from people whose views we share than from people whose views contradict our own; disagreement can cause stress and inhibit learning."

思路：彻底反对
1. 让步, 的确很多时候相反的意见施加压力, 阻碍学习的过程
2. 转折, 但相反意见的合理对待能带来很多相同意见所不能带来的好处
1) 通过辩论, 加深理解
2) 找出谬误, 找到真理
结论: 找到合适的方法看待disagreement 就能学到更多

It is well believed that contradiction always makes things complicated and difficult to learn, while consistency never crease argument thus promote the process of study. However, as far as I am concerned, the views which are against to ours can offer more for us to learn than those we share. These disagreements to some extent improve the learning rather than inhibit or destroy it.观点鲜明的开头，打出反对大旗。

Admittedly, disagreement causes stress and troubles in the process of study sometimes. Based on personal experience, at the early stage of learning a new subject, contradicted views and suggestion always push me into the sea of puzzles that I cannot tell the differences between truth and false -let alone to pick up the right from the wrong. Also, one need no further to newspapers and magazines in which people debate (quarrel, more exactly to say) for the opposite points of view. Unfortunately, usually what they did actually was to hold firmly their own belief and to discriminate and criticize others strongly regardless what others may say. Under such circumstances, the quality of study is absolutely damaged and the impediment was made in the learning. 让步, 的确很多时候相反的意见施加压力, 阻碍学习的过程。

Nevertheless, if utilized properly, the views contradicting to our own will teach us more 【than】those we share. The consistency in minds undoubtedly produce simplicity of problem and confidence; yet it lacks mentally conflicts and brainstorm; thus eliminate【eliminating】 the possibility of invention and improvement. Meanwhile, the contraction forces people to look back into themselves thus pushes the process of study and investigation forward. When disagreement appears, it cannot escape from the investigation for its trueness. And it is not hard to infer that there are overall three possible situations at the end of the investigation: the disagreement is right; it is wrong; or both the disagreement and one's own opinions are wrong. Fortunately, from these three final destinations we could learn much more than we expected.个人认为这段可以压缩成一两句话，引起下面的段落更好；再说，考场这么写太奢侈了，不是吗？
转折, 但相反意见的合理对待能带来很多相同意见所不能带来的好处。
Firstly, if the disagreement is shown correct in the process of debate and conference, one should realize that it indicates that his/her own belief may be wrong, at least not so perfect as he/she thought at the beginning. From such contradiction or even strongly mental revolution one can finally find what is truth rather than to believe in a false forever. Thousands of years the substitution of a new theory instead of an old one can be referred here as an example. New disagreement was raised, checked, 【gradually】accepted and learned by generations meanwhile the old wrong views were abandoned and forgotten【while the old views proved wrong and were abandoned at last】. All of these pursuits of truth are due to the premier disagreement, not the common ground we share.获得事实真相。

Secondly, during the discussion one finds out that the disagreement are【is】 of nonsense, to carry on the discussion is not equal to wasting time walking with an idiot. Actually, the appearance of this disagreement cannot do anything damaging the logic and capability of analysis one has, but prove at last that it is wrong. People can be firmer to their believes and see much more clearer what their opinions really are, rather than trust it blindedly【blindly】. Take Bruno for example. 【个人认为可以加强例子的展开，而减少理论的论证】The flows of disagreement did not threaten him but made him insist on his own hypothesis more. Also for ordinary people, often we suffer the variable impacts towards our religions or life styles; yet I rarely have heard that someone changed it easily because of the existence of these contradictions. This further understanding and firmer belief could solely be obtained through the face with disagreement.

Thirdly, it is not rare that as the time lapse one discovers that both the disagreement and his/her own view are wrong. Under certain circumstance, people learn experience of committing mistakes and the skills to find the false in seemly right views【to differentiate the false from the right 】; thus they are getting closer to reality and truth. For supporting example, the long debate about the nature of light could be taken as an instance. After decades of debates and experiments, scientists have found what light really is both in microscopic and macroscopic realms【as we all know, the nature of light has been debated for decades of years. Luckily, the scientists…】. 【also】Without the early disagreement toward【with】 the traditional Newton hypothesis about light, nobody can tell when this mystery would be solved out.

To conclusion, disagreement though it looks offensive at the first glance, it actually supplies people with a new aspect to look at one thing, no matter it is proved at last right or wrong. What it does to the process of learning is actually to give you a spoon of medicine rather than a taste of sugar; in other words, the disagreement give a chance to improve one's own point of view- that is what consistency can never do.
文章用词遣句很老练，值得学习。美中不足的是考场是很难完成这样的文章，当然不排除原题的可能。【有个争论的话题，我一向认为无论议论还是评价，总是最后让步，放在最前面给我的感觉不好，但是孙远老师坚持这样的写法，估计个人习惯问题，自己把握】
一小时45分钟
越写越长了
郁闷

这次不用马甲发了 一个一个通知怪麻烦了
也是看到兔子发的那么多人拍
心痒

大家就拍吧拍吧

老规矩 还是只改了拼写
这次有800字了 严重汗~~~~

各位老大 靠你们了~~~