Issue167 刚刚出炉的，政治家与诚实，大家都来拍啊！

staralwaysUID: 193479

[B]It is impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time. Complete honesty is not a useful virtue for a politician. [/B]

The field of politics is rather a moor. For those political leader, when his policies bring about good welfare to his people, he may be flattered even up to the sky; while even a small scandal in his personal life may beat him down to the ground. In such a complicated environment, can or should any political leader to be honesty all the time? Opinions vary, and I would like to argue that there does exists some circumstances that an effective political leader cannot tell the truth and while in the field of politics, he may sometimes compromise the virtue of complete honesty to practical situation.

There is no doubt that complete honesty is a virtue for everyone, especially in personal life. The parents would feel very angry that if their child told them that he scored A while actually only got a D. The same holds true when it comes to the political leaders. The people who are under their leadership are willing to see that their leaders are always honesty ones. They regard honesty as a critical factor among others for anyone to be a political leader. If, on the other hand, for example, a politician is elected a leader while the election process is full of flaws, the people's will is being distorted and thus the elected one cannot stand long. In respect of personal aspects, complete honesty cannot be a more desirable virtue.

However, when a politician is elected as a leader and it comes to the actual work in the field of politics, things are always much more complex. It is just impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time. Admittedly, it is the responsibility for those political leaders to tell his people what is actually happening in his country. For example, the brave army men are fighting against the horrible floods in river areas. People are much more likely to feel comfortable when they live in a society of real, but rather fake. But under some circumstances, the political leader will have to make a balance between the reality and overall security and stability. Think of the situation when there occurs a high economic inflation. Since the cost of virtually every industry is heightened due to the inflation, many companies and factories would have some of their employees fired in order to reduce the cost, and few would like to hire new ones. Consequently, more and more people are unemployed while they cannot obtain basic living conditions. Such a society may be at the edge of chaos. Thus, for the political leader, he would have to ask the inflation rate to be published be lowed in order to make his society survive. It is where his effectiveness can be shown as a political leader. In a word, as an effective political leader, preventing some really harmful information from being known by his people is something that is much more desirable under some circumstances.

What's more, for an political to be effective in dealing with so many affairs, ranging from local, state, to national ones, he must obtain a good balance between when should be completely honest and what should be known by his people, and when it is the time for him to hide something from the eyes of his people. The people would not allow a political leader to still in his position when there is corruption in the central government and someone is defalcating the taxes for their personal use while the fact is hid the leader and the criminals are beyond punishments. While the people will feel it is reasonable that some materials relating to the national military secrets are kept from being public for the sake of national security. In order to be true effective, and further bring prosperity to his people and his country, such a balance is essential when a political leader is at work.

In sum, while being completely honesty is a useful virtue to individual including political leaders, it is not always a practical way to be like this in the field of politics. In fact, the very effectiveness of political leader lies in his good control in when to tell the truth, and when to hide some harmful information to his people.

pringleUID: 195431

The field of politics is rather a moor. For those political leaders, when his policies bring about good welfare to his people, he may be flattered even up to the sky; while even a small scandal in his personal life may beat him down to the ground. In such a complicated environment, can or should any political leader to be honesty all the time? Opinions vary, and I would like to argue that there does exists some circumstances that an effective political leader cannot tell the truth and while in the field of politics, he may sometimes compromise the virtue of complete honesty to practical situation.

There is no doubt that complete这样说有点绝对了，生活中还是需要善意的谎言的，omit complete honesty is a virtue for everyone, especially in personal life. The parents would feel very angry that if their child told them that he scored A while actually only got a D. The same holds true when it comes to the political leaders. The people who are under their leadership are willing to see that their leaders are always honesty ones. They regard honesty as a critical factor among others for anyone to be a political leader. If, on the other hand, for example, a politician is elected a leader while the election process is full of flaws, the people's will is being distorted and thus the elected one cannot stand long. In respect of personal aspects, complete honesty cannot be a more desirable virtue.有个实际点的例子比较好

However, when a politician is elected as a leader and it comes to the actual work in the field of politicsand it comes to->, as for, thingshe/she confronts are always much more complex. It is just impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time. Admittedly, it is the responsibility for those political leaders to tell hisomit his people what is actually happening in his country. For example, the brave army men are fighting against the horrible floods in river areas. People are much more likely to feel comfortable when they live in a society of real, but rather fake.这个例子不太贴切吧 But under some circumstances, the political leader will have to make a balance between the reality and overall security and stability. Think of the situation when there occurs a high economic inflation通货膨胀和裁员没什么必然联系吧，crisis好点. Since the cost of virtually every industry is heightened due to the inflation, many companies and factories would have some of their employees fired in order to reduce the cost, and few would like to hire new ones. Consequently, more and more people are unemployed while they cannot obtain basic living conditions. Such a society may be at the edge of chaos. Thus, for the political leader, he would have to ask the inflation rate to be published be lowed in order to make his society survive. It is where his effectiveness can be shown 删掉as a political leader. In a word, as an effective political leader, preventing some really harmful information from being known by his people is something that is much more desirable under some circumstances.

What's more, for an political to be effective in dealing with so many affairs, ranging from local, state, to national ones, he must obtain a good balance betweenamong when should be completely honest and what should be known by his people, and when it is the time for him to hide something from the eyes of his people. The people would not allow a political leader to stillremain? in his position when there is corruption in the central government andor someone is defalcating the taxes for their personal use while,but the fact is hid by the leader and the criminals are beyond punishments. While the people will feel it is reasonable that some materialsinformation relating to the national military secrets are kept from being public for the sake of national security. In order to be true effective, and further bring prosperity to his people and his country, such a balance is essential when a political leader is at work.

In sum, while being completely honesty is a usefulbasic virtue to individual including political leaders, it is not always a practical way to be like this->for those who are in the field of politics. In fact, the very effectiveness of political leaders lies in his good control in when to tell the truth, and when to hide some harmful information to his people.

第一段是不是该先提出politicians should balance different conditions

mariaUID: 197971

It is impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time. Complete honesty is not a useful virtue for a politician.

The field of politics is rather a moor. For those political leader, when his policies bring about good welfare to his people, he may be flattered even up to the sky; while even a small scandal in his personal life may beat him down to the ground. In such a complicated environment, can or should any political leader to be honesty all the time? Opinions vary, and I would like to argue that there does exists exist some circumstances that an effective political leader cannot tell the truth and while in the field of politics, he may sometimes compromise the virtue of complete honesty to practical situation.

There is no doubt that complete honesty is a virtue for everyone, especially in personal life. The parents would feel very angry that if their child told them that he scored A while actually only got a D. The same holds true when it comes to the political leaders. The people who are under their leadership are willing to see that their leaders are always honesty ones. They regard honesty as a critical factor among others for anyone to be a political leader. If, on the other hand, for example, a politician is elected asa leader while the election process is full of flaws,这段的topic sentence就个人而言，城市是一种美德，这个例子并没有迹象表明具体哪个人不诚实阿？我觉得用在这儿不好，而且根据你下面的观点最好据个非政治类的例子 the people's will is being没必要用县这个时态吧？直接被动不就行了？ distorted and thus the elected one cannot stand long. In respect of personal aspects, complete honesty cannot be a more desirable virtue.

However, when a politician is elected as a leader and这里可以不要 it comes to the actual work in the field of politics, things are always much more complex. It is just impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time. Admittedly, it is the responsibility for those political leaders to tell his people what is actually happening in his country. For example, the brave army men are fighting against the horrible floods in river areas汉语式英语. People are much more likely to feel comfortable when they live in a society of real, but rather fake.既然是转折了，就不要再让步了，这样会削弱你的观点 But under some circumstances, the political leaders will have to make a balance between the reality and overall security and stability. Think of the situation when there occurs a high economic inflation. Since the cost of virtually every industry is heightened due to the inflation, many companies and factories would have some of their employees fired in order to reduce the cost, and few would like to hire new ones. Consequently, more and more people are unemployed while they cannot obtain basic living conditions. Such a society may be at the edge of chaos. Thus, for the political leader, he would have to ask the inflation rate to be published be lowed in order to make his society survive. It is where his effectiveness can be shown as a political leader.对大多数人来说，知不知道inflation rate 高低有什么作用那，太专业化了，关键是让他们知道识也率很低，有望找到工作 In a word, as an effective political leader, preventing some really harmful information from being known by his people is something that is much more desirable under some circumstances.

What's more, for an political to be effective in dealing with so many affairs, ranging from local, state, to national ones, he must obtain a good balance between when should be completely honest and what should be known by his people重复了, and when it is the time for him to hide something from the eyes of his people. The people would not allow a political leader to stillstay in his position when there is corruption in the central government and someone is defalcating the taxes for their personal use while the fact is hid bythe leader and the criminals are beyond punishments. While the people will feel it is reasonable that some materials relating to the national military secrets are kept from being public for the sake of national security. In order to be true effective, and further bring prosperity to his people and his country, such a balance is essential when a political leader is at work.你的论点是there does exist some circumstances that an effective political leader cannot tell the truth and while in the field of politics, he may sometimes compromise the virtue of complete honesty to practical situation.但是在这段的论述中由是又破有利，个人觉得第一段主要写honesty is important 后两段集中说在哪些情况应该不诚实？


In sum, while being completely honesty is a useful virtue to individual including political leaders, it is not always a practical way to be like this in the field of politics. In fact, the very effectiveness of political leader lies in his good control in when to tell the truth, and when to hide some harmful information to his people.
作者的语法错误很少阿，值得学习！ 以上都是个人观点，不对的地方希望讨论，共勉吧

staralwaysUID: 193479

说起来限时也有几篇了，但是总没篇十分象样的。这篇写完后自己想了想也很糟，没有很具体的例子，基本上是在泛泛而谈。

1、这段的topic sentence就个人而言，诚实是一种美德，这个例子并没有迹象表明具体哪个人不诚实阿？我觉得用在这儿不好，而且根据你下面的观点最好据个非政治类的例子。非政治类的例子上面有一个关于成绩的，当然那个是杜撰的。不过选举这个例子的确是没有把舞弊和政治家不诚实联系起来。

2、对大多数人来说，知不知道inflation rate 高低有什么作用那，太专业化了，关键是让他们知道识也率很低，有望找到工作。呵呵，举这个例子本身我倒是觉得没有什么特别大的问题。而且我觉得国民经济的情况已经日益进入人们的生活之中了，比如你要买东西，通货膨胀造成物价上涨，你的购买力降低了，很现实的问题。这个例子我后来想了下，在与政治家需要隐藏一些信息这个论点上好象处理得不好。

3、你的论点是there does exist some circumstances that an effective political leader cannot tell the truth and while in the field of politics, he may sometimes compromise the virtue of complete honesty to practical situation.但是在这段的论述中由是又破有利，个人觉得第一段主要写honesty is important 后两段集中说在哪些情况应该不诚实？当时拿了题目就直接上手了，然后观点是赞同题目里说的。然后按照自己的思路写下去的时候，碰到很尴尬的事情：发现只能写两段。所以又加了段“在承认有时候是无法保持绝对诚实的情况下”，政治家也需要做好这两方面的平衡。感觉是可以当做一个递进来写，不过可能与整篇文章就不太统一了。你建议的集中说哪些情况应该有妥协，感觉成不了两段，请指教啊！

欢迎继续讨论吧。

staralwaysUID: 193479

1、这样说有点绝对了，生活中还是需要善意的谎言的。你的意思当然没有错。我加上complete主要是出与题目的原因，我就是觉得它讲得太绝对了，所以下面要攻击。不过我觉得首先是要诚实。

2、这个例子不太贴切吧能不说得具体点？

3、通货膨胀和裁员没什么必然联系吧，crisis好点。通胀和裁员还是有关系的。crisis当然也行。

4、第一段是不是该先提出politicians should balance different conditions。这是好意见。感到不舒服的原因可能就是我在给maria的回复里写到的。

xiaoliu86UID: 174867

It is impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time. Complete honesty is not a useful virtue for a politician.

The field of politics is rather a moor. For those political leader, when his policies bring about good welfare to his people, he may be flattered even up to the sky; while even a small scandal in his personal life may beat him down to the ground（中国式表达法）. In such a complicated environment, can or should any political leader to be honesty all the time? Opinions vary, and I would like to argue that there does exists some circumstances that(where) an effective political leader cannot tell the truth and while(位于句首表示让步，应该用although) in the field of politics, he may sometimes compromise the virtue of complete honesty to practical situation.

There is no doubt that complete honesty is a virtue for everyone, especially in personal life. The parents would feel very angry that(删除) if their child（children） told them that he scored A while actually only got a D. The same holds true when it comes to the political leaders. The people who are under their leadership (定语从句可以删除，否则太罗索)are willing to see that their leaders are always honesty ones(honest). They regard honesty as a critical factor(one of critical factors，这样会更好) among others for anyone to be a political leader. If, on the other hand, for example, a politician is elected a leader while the election process is full of flaws, the people's will is being distorted and thus the elected one cannot stand long. In respect of personal aspects, complete honesty cannot be a more desirable virtue.(记得老师说最好用一般时态)

However, when a politician is elected as a leader and it comes to the actual work in the field of politics, things are always much more complex. It is just impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time. Admittedly, it is the responsibility for those political leaders to tell his people what is actually happening in his country. For example, the brave army men are fighting against the horrible floods in river areas. People are much more likely to feel comfortable when they live in a society of real, but rather fake. But under some circumstances, the political leader will（删除） have to make a balance between the reality and overall security and stability. Think of the situation when there occurs a high economic inflation.（不通顺 ） Since the cost of virtually every industry is heightened due to the inflation, many companies and factories would have some of their employees fired in order to reduce the cost, and few would like to hire new ones. Consequently, more and more people are unemployed while they cannot obtain basic living conditions. Such a society may be at the edge of chaos. Thus, for the political leader, he would have to ask the inflation rate to be published be lowed in order to make his society survive. It is where his effectiveness can be shown as a political leader. In a word, as an effective political leader, preventing some really harmful information from being known by his people is something that is much more desirable under some circumstances.（topic sentence 把主句放前面会更有力度,而且通货膨胀是政治家隐瞒不了的，也是他们很难控制的）

What's more, for an political to be effective in dealing with so many affairs, ranging from local, state, to national ones, he must obtain a good balance between when should be completely honest and what should be known by his people, and when it is the time for him to hide something from the eyes of his people. The people would not allow a political leader to still in his position when there is corruption in the central government and someone is defalcating the taxes for their personal use while the fact is hid the leader and the criminals are beyond punishments. While the people will feel it is reasonable that some materials relating to the national military secrets are kept from being public for the sake of national security. In order to be true effective, and further bring prosperity to his people and his country, such a balance is essential when a political leader is at work.（对上一段的重复，而且没有例子）

In sum, while being completely（太绝对） honesty is a useful virtue to individual including political leaders, it is not always a practical way to be like this in the field of politics. In fact, the very effectiveness of political leader lies in his good control in when to tell the truth, and when to hide some harmful information to his people.

victoriazhizhiUID: 163135

刚进来发现这么多人拍你了
等你下一篇的 嘿嘿
star加油呀

staralwaysUID: 193479

最初由 victoriazhizhi 发布
[B]刚进来发现这么多人拍你了
等你下一篇的 嘿嘿
star加油呀 [/B]

好啊，你也加油！

staralwaysUID: 193479

1、while(位于句首表示让步，应该用although)这句是我自己没有写好，我想用的意思应该是“when”。

2、（topic sentence 把主句放前面会更有力度,而且通货膨胀是政治家隐瞒不了的，也是他们很难控制的）。呵呵，这句我写的时候只是当作对TS的重述来写的。因为我在这段开头的时候直接照搬了题目里的：It is just impossible for an effective political leader to tell the truth all the time.不过你的意见也很好，这句搬到开头做TS可能意思更明显一点。关于通货膨胀，政治家当然是隐瞒不了，因为通胀渗入到了我们生活的角角落落之中。政治家做的也只是掩饰，在通胀率过高的时候说的低点儿，以免引起恐慌。至于控制嘛，宏观调控，嘿嘿。

欢迎继续讨论吧。有文章要改留个链接。

mariaUID: 197971

其实楼主说的写成两段我觉得也有困难，但是就你的观点来说却是应该写两段的，不然你的观点就被削落了，可以除了从政治家的为了全局角度而不诚实外，再从个人的角度写比如在与别的政治家的竞争中一味的诚实是不可能被选上的总要使用一些伎俩或者说为了被选上，演讲时总要说些不可能实现的承诺等等吧，你看看行不行

pringleUID: 195431

这个例子不太贴切吧能不说得具体点？：
  这个例子我看得不是很明白，你是想说明危机情况下应该完全公开么？如果是的话，people应该指谁啊，遭受洪水的人，还是别的。其实这件事有没有必要隐瞒对公众的影响并不大（个人看法），不像SARS。

第一段是不是该先提出politicians should balance different conditions。这是好意见。感到不舒服的原因可能就是我在给maria的回复里写到的。：
  这个是看了全文后的感觉。看完第一段觉得文章重点在不诚实，可是后面好像是一半对一半。对私生活，可不可以算一点？没有必要完全公开。

staralwaysUID: 193479

再从个人的角度写比如在与别的政治家的竞争中一味的诚实是不可能被选上的总要使用一些伎俩或者说为了被选上，演讲时总要说些不可能实现的承诺等等吧。

恩，从个人角度应该是一个好的出发点。不过你说的内容我不是很喜欢，嘿嘿，不过可能政治就是如此。Democracy不是这么容易实现的啊。

staralwaysUID: 193479

这个例子我看得不是很明白，你是想说明危机情况下应该完全公开么？应该是表述的问题。那个洪水的例子就只有一句话。后面的people又是在总结了。

这个是看了全文后的感觉。看完第一段觉得文章重点在不诚实，可是后面好像是一半对一半。对私生活，可不可以算一点？没有必要完全公开。是有这么点感觉，哎，全文逻辑不行啊。私生活我觉得会不会远了点啊。

pringleUID: 195431

竞选中的不诚实无法让人接受，开始我想的是私生活方面的，后来觉得不切题

要不然把国家的军事机密之类的作一段，然后会引起chaos的作为一段。

staralwaysUID: 193479

最初由 pringle 发布
[B]竞选中的不诚实无法让人接受，开始我想的是私生活方面的，后来觉得不切题

要不然把国家的军事机密之类的作一段，然后会引起chaos的作为一段。 [/B]

呵呵，竞选舞弊的确unbearable，去年底乌克兰那风波搞的BBC、VOA里整天都是的。把国家机密单独拎出来是不是就要分condition说了啊。