Issue144 第一次来交同主题作业，艺术类真是难写，而且感觉就像POOH姐姐说的那样

staralwaysUID: 193479

[B]"It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value."
*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.
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As time goes, art develops along with the road through which we human being come to present, from the frescos in ancient caves to the superrealism pictures nowadays. In this process, who gives the society this kind of lasting value, the artists, or the critics? In my opinion, both artist and critic contribute to this process, and further more, their interaction with each other also does a part in making the art lasting.

There is no doubt that artist gives the society something of lasting value, since they are the creator of those fine art works. Without the continuous works coming out before our eyes, the art may even cannot survive for a single second. Art works firstly are presenting of the natural events and social life. From the frescos in ancient caves which portraiting the hunting life of the prehistoric people, to superrealistic paintings which show the great mischief brought about by wars and poverty, the art lasts and flourish as it serves to present the way people are living and society are progressing. Time is stepping forward fast, things are changing everyday, and along the course, the artists devote themselves to the creating of art works which are trying to show some aspects of the human society. With these artists, the function of art as presenting the world continues, and people can see something lasted from the ancient to modern time. Without those artists, there can even be no art works, let alone providing the society something of lasting value.

At the same time, the role of such critics are playing cannot be overlooked. Their function is the counterpart in the progress of art. While artists are trying their best to keep the function of art as a means of presenting the reality sustained, the critics are also working hard to find more values behind the works of those artists which otherwise may be hidden by the course of time. While most of the readers are focusing their attention to how love is flourishing between Elizebath and Darcy, the heroine and hero in Jane Austen's novel Pride and Prejudice, the critics are attach equal importance to the other four marriages appear in the same novel and even more to the social background of the author's time and information concerning about the author herself. Through careful examing these and other aspects, this great novel is regarded as not only showing the marriages in the common people who living in the countryside in the 18 century's England, but also demonstrating a situation that women's social status was low and they were appealing to equality in the process of marriage with those men who possess a fortune. Without the work of the critics, this distinguished novel may otherwise be regarded as a normal one which addicted in the topic of love and consequently forgotten by the mass people. Thus the critics dig out something in the works of the artists which can survive the steps of history.

What's more, no single part, say the artists, or the critics, can give the society something of lasting value rely solely on their own effort. Their interaction with each other makes the art lasting. While the artists created some works on the basis of which the critics can find extra meaning of them besides the original function of art as depicting the society, the comments from those critics are indispensable for people to appreciate those works and for the artists to develop more skills for better presenting the society. This process acts as rolling a snowball, the interaction of the artists and critics makes the art flourishes and last.

In sum, as to give the society something of lasting value, the artists and the critics all do their own part to achieve this goal. Further more, the interaction between them plays a important role too. The artists begin with the footstones, the critics work to consolidate them, and then the artists will step higher, and the art never stops its steps, a trend which will probably last forever.

yiyi2005UID: 192894

"It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value."
*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.



As time goes, art develops along with the road through which we human being come to present, from the frescos in ancient caves to the superrealism pictures nowadays. In this process, who gives the society this kind of lasting value, the artists, or the critics? In my opinion, both artist and critic contribute to this process, and further more, their interaction with each other also does a partplay a part in making the art lasting.

There is no doubt that artist gives the society something of lasting value, since they are the creator of those fine art works. Without the continuous works coming out before our eyes, the art may even cannot survive for a single second. Art works firstly are presentingpresent of the natural events and social life. From the frescos in ancient caves which portraiting the hunting life of the prehistoric people, to superrealistic paintings which show the great mischief brought about by wars and poverty, the art lasts and flourish as it serves to present the way people are living and society are progressing. Time is stepping forward fast, things are changing everyday, and along the course, the artists devote themselves to the creating of art works which are trying to show some aspects of the human society. With these artists, the function of art as presenting the world continues, and people can see something lasted from the ancient to modern time. Without those artists, there can even be no art works, let alone providing the society something of lasting value.

At the same time, the role of such critics are playing cannot be overlooked. Their function is the counterpart in the progress of art. While artists are trying their best to keep the function of art as a means of presenting the reality sustained, the critics are also working hard to find more values behind the works of those artists which otherwise may be hidden by the course of time. While most of the readers are focusing their attention to how love is flourishing between Elizebath and Darcy, the heroine and hero in Jane Austen's novel Pride and Prejudice, the critics are attach equal importance to the other four marriages appear in the same novel and even more to the social background of the author's time and information concerning about the author herself. Through careful examing these and other aspects, this great novel is regarded as not only showing the marriages in the common people who livinglive in the countryside in the 18 century's England, but also demonstrating换个词吧? put forth?present? a situation that women's social status was low and they were appealing to equality in the process of marriage with those men who possess a fortune. Without the work of the critics, this distinguished novel may otherwise be regarded as a normal one which addicted in the topic of love and consequently forgotten by the mass people. Thus the critics dig out something in the works of the artists which can survive the steps of history.

What's more, no single part, say the artists, or the critics, can give the society something of lasting value rely solely on their own effort. Their interaction with each other makes the art lasting. While the artists created some works on the basis of which the critics can find extra meaning of them besides the original function of art as depicting the society, the comments from those critics are indispensable for people to appreciate those works and for the artists to develop more skills for better presenting the society. This process acts as rolling a snowball, the interaction of the artists and critics makes the art flourishes and last.

In sum, as to give the society something of lasting value, the artists and the critics all do their own part to achieve this goal. Further more, the interaction between them plays a important role too. The artists begin with the footstones, the critics work to consolidate them, and then the artists will step higher, and the art never stops its steps, a trend which will probably last forever.

谈了艺术家和评论家对一部作品以及他们的interaction不被历史遗忘的作用,,但似乎对于society提的不够,到底give society 什么value?个人意见,欢迎讨论

staralwaysUID: 193479

TO yiyi2005

谈了艺术家和评论家对一部作品以及他们的interaction不被历史遗忘的作用,,但似乎对于society提的不够,到底give society 什么value?

我想说的是艺术家创造出艺术作品，反映了一定的社会生活现象，体现了艺术对社会的重现作用；而评论家在原有基础上挖掘出了新的隐藏的价值。可能对艺术理解不够，你的想法是什么呢？说的具体点好吗？谢谢！

victoriazhizhiUID: 163135

As time goes, art develops along with the road through which we human being come to present, from the frescos in ancient caves to the superrealism pictures nowadays. In this process, who gives the society this kind of lasting value, the artists, or the critics? In my opinion, both artist and critic contribute to this process, and further more, their interaction with each other also does a part in making the art lasting.

There is no doubt that artist gives the society something of lasting value, since they are the creator of those fine art works.since前后我看不出虾米因果，因为是creator所以lasing？那还有一堆垃圾呢，也是creat出来的，怎么不lasing？lasting的原因是技艺精湛，构思精巧之类原因 Without the continuous works coming out before our eyes, the art may even cannot survive for a single second.这也不算是lasting啊，怎么一个作品接一个作品出来就。。？这句和后面也不连贯 Art works firstly are presenting of the natural events and social life. From the frescos in ancient caves which portraiting the hunting life of the prehistoric people, to superrealistic paintings which show the great mischief brought about by wars and poverty, the art lasts and flourish as it serves to present the way people are living and society are progressing. Time is stepping forward fast, things are changing everyday, and along the course, the artists devote themselves to the creating of art works which are trying to show some aspects of the human society. With these artists, the function of art as presenting the world continues, and people can see something lasted from the ancient to modern time. Without those artists, there can even be no art works, let alone providing the society something of lasting value.觉得对lasting value的理解有些问题，怎么你总提有不停的创作才有不停的作品？这好像不是作品的lasting value吧？是某件作品可以经受时间历史的变迁仍然被人们欣赏和赞美。所以这里没有说明白艺术家如何contribute了才让作品lasting，是富于美感啊，还是有社会意义，是技术精湛啊还是题材吸引人云云。正如我今天和龙非讨论了半天快被他折磨疯了的一个问题，要说明的是艺术家如何会让作品有长久价值，而不是要说有了艺术家就有了作品，题目讨论谁赋予作品价值，显然作品是已经存在的现实，是个前提，不用我们自己去证明，那等于证明了一个大家都知道的事实

At the same time, the role of such critics are playing cannot be overlooked. Their function is the counterpart in the progress of art. While artists are trying their best to keep the function of art as a means of presenting the reality sustained, the critics are also working hard to find more values behind the works of those artists which otherwise may be hidden by the course of time. While most of the readers are focusing their attention to how love is flourishing between Elizebath and Darcy, the heroine and hero in Jane Austen's novel Pride and Prejudice, the critics are attach equal importance to the other four marriages appear in the same novel and even more to the social background of the author's time and information concerning about the author herself. Through careful examing these and other aspects, this great novel is regarded as not only showing the marriages in the common people who living in the countryside in the 18 century's England, but also demonstrating a situation that women's social status was low and they were appealing to equality in the process of marriage with those men who possess a fortune. Without the work of the critics, this distinguished novel may otherwise be regarded as a normal one which addicted in the topic of love and consequently forgotten by the mass people.例子过于详细，好长嗄 Thus the critics dig out something in the works of the artists which can survive the steps of history.分析不够，一段的2/3都是一个例子，这种比重不太好，显得论证在一个表面上，没深入。最好说说critic为虾米能发现value，这才是critic的作用，也是让作品lasting 的原因。关于为虾米能发现value以及要不要说为虾米能发现value 我和龙非的作文中有详细的讨论，我们也没有得到统一意见，所以还是个人的看法，你自己衡量下，我就不给你打字了。https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=255536

What's more, no single part, say the artists, or the critics, can give the society something of lasting value rely solely on their own effort. Their interaction with each other makes the art lasting. While the artists created some works on the basis of which the critics can find extra meaning of them besides the original function of art as depicting the society, the comments from those critics are indispensable for people to appreciate those works and for the artists to develop more skills for better presenting the society. This process acts as rolling a snowball, the interaction of the artists and critics makes the art flourishes and last.这段好像是上面两段中心的总结，没看出来what is more的意义 而且我总觉得你的art一会指代作品一会指代艺术这个领域，关键在于你开头对lasting的分析上，没有明确

In sum, as to give the society something of lasting value, the artists and the critics all do their own part to achieve this goal. Further more, the interaction between them plays a important role too. The artists begin with the footstones, the critics work to consolidate them, and then the artists will step higher, and the art never stops its steps, a trend which will probably last forever.
sorry改的不太细致，因为我最近眼睛发炎，看电脑久了眼泪稀哩哗啦流一脸。好话不说了。总的来说，觉得你对lasting value的理解上有些不明确，这个局限了你后面的开展。还有就是B1要论证的问题到底是什么，这个和龙非的有些相似，去看我们的讨论。B2分析不够深入透彻，一段基本一个例子在描述。开头不错，结尾也还行，稍微匆忙了点。

staralwaysUID: 193479

非常感谢zhizhi啊，感动ing！

又去看了龙非的帖子。其实那个帖子昨天晚上我自己发文章的时候就去看了，不过也就是看了一半实在受不了了。 :confused: 不过仔细想来，对lasting value如何定义的确是影响这篇文章的很大一个问题呢。

1、我总觉得你的art一会指代作品一会指代艺术这个领域。被看出来了，的确是。因为我想的是对于一件艺术作品，它本身可以有lasting value；而对于艺术这个领域，它所带来的价值也是lasting的，所以对于艺术家，我是想从艺术本身的角度来说：艺术家的不断创作使得艺术作为对现实的一种重现而具备的意义得以不断地持续下去，以这样的方式来实现lasting；而对于评论家，他们的作用更多的是体现在对于艺术作品的具体评价上的，因而使得部分艺术作品的价值是lasting的。这样应该是属于偷换概念，大概更难论证而且导致文章很散乱。

2、最好说说critic为虾米能发现value，这才是critic的作用，也是让作品lasting 的原因。恩，仔细想了想是这样子的。