issue87, [color=#0024ff]高频，掺水限时版

龙非UID: 193190

Is the beginner more likely than the expert to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry as the speaker claims so? To answer [dispute] this question, we should clarify what is the discrimination [这个词有歧视的意思哦！！！用discrepancy or dissimilarity比这个好]好样的，俺的语言啊:( between the beginner and the expert? I believe that the difference [把上面送给你的两个词用一个在这里吧~] between these two is just nothing but experience. [这句我觉得可以写的漂亮点~但我也想不到怎么改] Under the precondition, in my view, none of the beginner and the expert has a greater possibility of discovering something of importance than the other in any field of inquiry [这句话好像有点中文思维哦~] and they are in the same scratch line. [这个应该是一个因果关系把due to they are in the same...] 低着头接受

To begin with, experience, the only difference between the beginner and the expert, plays a minor part in making important scientific discoveries. As we know, science is a realm to disclose the unknow [n] secret [用一个大一点的词mystery or enigma or conundrum or riddle] 羡慕中...of the world. Deducing from common sense, we could hardly explain something of no precedence, such as scientific discoveries, with our experience. [你好象一直就把这个当成common sense 却没有解释哦] 怎解？？那个当成常识？？很难用经验去解释没有先例的事情？Therefore, experience is not a key [换词crucial/ pivotal/ vital...] factor to scientific discoveries. For supporting examples we need look no further than Einstein, who discovered many important secrets of physics. In Einstein's twenties, as a beginner of physics with little experience [你怎么知道人家没经验] 我的逻辑就是beginner==little experience,在开篇限定，你觉得呢？, he discovered the Relative Theory which shocked the whole physics academia . Twelve years after, when Einstein was already an expert in physics, [你间接的把经验归根成时间] 有给读者这个印象的嫌疑，去掉12年，我不是将经验等同于时间，而是在爱因斯坦解释光电效应的时候已经是个专家了，这应该不需要解释为什么他已是专家he discovered the Photoelectric Effect for which he won the Novel Prize. Whether Einstein was a beginner or an expert, he made important discoveries. From Einstein, we can see that experience is not a key factor to the possibility of [去掉possibility of] making discoveries. Therefore, the beginner and the expert has [前面有and 这里have] the coequal opportunity to discover something of importance. [老用importance哦~换significance] sigh。。。

Moreover, since the key factor is not experience, what is it on earth? I think that it is sound professional knowledge and a indomitable [这个词很有中国feel阿~咔咔] spirit. First, that sound professional knowledge [你怎么把经验和专业知识分别开？] 这是个好问题，如何区分捏，想想。。。is an essential is easy to be understood, after all, we cannot image that an individual knows nothing about a field of scientific inquiry can make any important [重复大忌阿！！！] discoveries. In addition, a indomitable spirit is also important to make important [我彻底晕菜两个important...把后面那个删了都好吧~] 估计jim郁闷死了，用你的语言来改我的语言，我能理解你的郁闷，安慰一下。。。discoveries. As is [删掉] 为什么，不用被动？？ pointed out above, the scientist's task is to explore the unknown secret of the world. [这句话可有可无] 可有可无，As的同位语哦During the inquriy, the scientist would encounter difficulties beyond imagine more or less [有一个短语beyond our wildest dream]谢了，收下 . If the scientist has [own都比这个has好！] not a indomitable spirit, which I means [这句话可以简洁一点] cannot insist to go foreword and overcome these difficulties, he can hardly make any important [等一下我统计一下这个词出现了多少次阿~] discoveries. For instance, Mrs. Curie, the mother of radium [外国人是这么说的么？窃笑ing] 嘿嘿，这个应该没问题吧，在某处看到的，不是俺独创的哦（有点扬眉吐气的感觉耶）, spent nearly ten years on discovering the element radium, [这里可以煽情点~多几个定语来修饰这个元素~让它显得无比珍贵，反衬出居里夫人的伟大!用precious吧] 嗯，再收下processing tons of material [沥青我也不会写嘿嘿~至少这里应该是raw material吧] and [这里用but会好些] refines only 0.1gram radium., incurs [这个词我要学习，但是这个短句的存在性没什么必要] lots of difficulties. Without the unbeatable [舒缓了一口气，终于换词了~] spirit [，] it is impossible for Mrs. Curie to discover the element radium. Therefore, knowledge and an indomitable spirit is the primary [这里用fundamental吧~primary factor是准数因子的意思] o...factor to make important scientific discoveries. Once again [这个词用得不好~换一个因果新副词] , the beginner and the expert stand on the same scratch line. [你说居里夫人有恒心，这个正确，但是你没有说明白居里夫人有没有经验阿？有没有专业知识阿？除非你能说明这个，论据不能否定经验] 嘿嘿，这句话有点打狗的feel哦，你觉得这里需要再证明不是经验起作用吗，B1已经证明了经验是minor的，这里应该不需要再提了，这里只要证明没有锲而不舍的精神是不行的就可以了吧

In sum, form the discuss above, we can draw a conclusion that science is not a matter of experience means, a scientist who want to make important discoveries should be armed with sound professional knowledge and indomitable spirit. Thus none of the beginner and the expert is more likly to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry.
[好的不说了~ 好几个词我要查金山~ 但是这个important实在是太刺眼了，其次就是你的论据，你怎么把专业知识和经验区别开这个问题提得确实很好，再一次感谢，爱因斯坦的例子你想当然的把岁月导致经验，岁月也能够导致专业知识阿这个，我不承认。。。嘿嘿。爱因斯坦发现狭义相对论的时候是个beginner，解释光电效应的时候是个expert应该没有疑义的，至于说岁月的问题，可能是我那个12年引起了读者的误解，无情的将之删掉，论证的有点模糊，这里面假如你不提经验还好，提了反而让你说不清楚了，另外居里夫人是为了说明恒心重要性，如何引导到同一起跑线上面呢？] 至此，我已经明白了我的问题了，缺少了点睛的一笔，在开篇限定了新手与专家的区别之后，我再也没有提过这档事，而是作为一个默契，这是我的问题。。。

最后bow一个，我能深深地体会到你为我改语言的时候要抓狂的感受。。。考完看来饭饭也是少不了啦。。。

龙非UID: 193190

嘿嘿，吱吱，我在jim的帖子里已经找到问题所在啦，你说的也是这个问题，心情一阵舒畅啊

至此，我已经明白了我的问题了，缺少了点睛的一笔，在开篇限定了新手与专家的区别之后，我再也没有提过这档事，而是作为一个默契，这是我的问题。。。

boyjimUID: 125249

mother of radium 你去查google 一共有三条完整记录~其中一条是中国人的~可想而知是没有人这么用
As那句我觉得可有可无是因为科学家不干这个干什么呢
就像在说  As is pointed out above, the my mother is a woman~
我自己觉得思维是大事情~用词不要老重复就好了~哈哈~

龙非UID: 193190

to 菠萝：

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In any field of inquiry, the beginner is more likely than the expert to make important discoveries.
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Is the beginner more likely than the expert to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry as the speaker claims so? To answer this question, we should clarify what is the discrimination between the beginner and the expert? I believe that the difference between these two is just nothing but experience.nothing but本来就有只的意思，不用just 写的时候也觉得有点怪，干掉它 Under the precondition, in my view, none of the beginner and the expert has a greater possibility of discovering something of importance than the other in any field of inquiry and they are in the same scratch line.

To begin with, experience, the only difference between the beginner and the expert, plays a minor part in making important scientific discoveries. As we know, science is a realm to disclose the unknow secret of the world. Deducing from common sense, we could hardly explain something of no precedence, such as scientific discoveries, with our experience.这句显得较为groundless，突然冒出来的一个观点 如果在这一句之前加上一句，链接unkown secret和something of no precedence，你觉得是不是就自然了Therefore, experience is not a key factor to scientific discoveries. For supporting examples we need look no further than Einstein, who discovered many important secrets of physics. In Einstein's twenties, as a beginner of physics with little experience, he discovered the Relative Theory which shocked the whole physics academia . Twelve years after, when Einstein was already an expert in physics, he discovered the Photoelectric Effect for which he won the Novel Prize.呵呵，好像你搞错了。光电效应与狭义相对论是1905年发表的，广义相对论1917年 嗯，我的错，不知怎么给记成了1917发表了广义相对论和光电效应，倒~~~，还好是自己人看见了，如果老米看到了还以为国人都这水平，人可就丢大了。。。 Whether Einstein was a beginner or an expert, he made important discoveries. From Einstein, we can see that experience is not a key factor to the possibility of making discoveries. Therefore, the beginner and the expert has the coequal opportunity to discover something of importance.结尾总结得还不错

Moreover, since the key factor is not experience, what is it on earth? I think that it is sound professional knowledge and a indomitable spirit.主题句还是最好用陈述句表达 First, that sound professional knowledge is an essential is easy to be understood, after all, we cannot image that an individual knows nothing about a field of scientific inquiry can make any important discoveries. In addition, aan indomitable spirit is also important to make important discoveries. As is pointed out above, the scientist's task is to explore the unknown secret of the world. During the inquriy, the scientist would encounter difficulties beyond imagine more or less. If the scientist has not a indomitable spirit, which I means cannot insist to go foreword and overcome these difficulties, he can hardly make any important discoveries. For instance, Mrs. Curie, the mother of radium, spent nearly ten years on discovering the element radium, processing tons of material and refines only 0.1gram radium., incurs lots of difficulties. Without the unbeatable spirit it is impossible for Mrs. Curie to discover the element radium.例子与说理结合得不好 Therefore, knowledge and an indomitable spirit is the primary factor to make important scientific discoveries. Once again, the beginner and the expert stand on the same scratch line.这段比较混乱，应该好好理清思路 是，我已经发现了，缺少了点睛的一笔。

In sum, form the discuss above, we can draw a conclusion that science is not a matter of experience means, a scientist who want to make important discoveries should be armed with sound professional knowledge and indomitable spirit. Thus none of the beginner and the expert is more likly to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry.
与上面相同的看法就不再复述了

龙非UID: 193190

mother of radium 你去查google 一共有三条完整记录~其中一条是中国人的~可想而知是没有人这么用

倒，还真的是耶，那是在哪看的捏？？？谢谢jim，废了它，换成The Radium Institute

boyjimUID: 125249

你快给我改偶得第二篇87阿~~~~龙哥哥~~~~~~~~

龙非UID: 193190

咦，还有第二篇87。。。我看看去

枫丹UID: 166492

起了个大早,赶了个晚集,不知道还有没有建设性了。别人说过的,就不说了啊
－－题目－－
In any field of inquiry, the beginner is more likely than the expert to make important discoveries.
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Is the beginner more likely than the expert to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry as the speaker claims so? To answer this question, we should clarify what is the discrimination between the beginner and the expert? I believe that the difference between these two is just nothing but experience. Under the precondition, in my view, none of the beginner and the expert（后面应该用复数，因为前面有限定词） has a greater possibility of discovering something of importance than the other in any field of inquiry and they are in the same scratch line. 开头真的不错，点清楚了专家和新手的最大区别

To begin with, experience, the only difference between the beginner and the expert, plays a minor part in making important scientific discoveries. As we know, science is a realm to disclose the unknow （unknown）secret of the world. Deducing from common sense, we could hardly explain something of no precedence, such as scientific discoveries, with our experience.(你的潜台词是说common sense就是experience吗？我认为最好交代清楚) Therefore, experience is not a key factor to scientific discoveries. For supporting examples we need look no further than Einstein, who discovered many important secrets of physics（discover用的太多了）. In Einstein's twenties, as a beginner of physics with little experience, he discovered the Relative Theory which shocked the whole physics academia . Twelve years after, when Einstein was already an expert in physics, he discovered the Photoelectric Effect for which he won the Novel Prize. Whether Einstein was a beginner or an expert, he made important discoveries. From Einstein, we can see that experience is not a key factor to the possibility of making discoveries. Therefore, the beginner and the expert has （have）the coequal opportunity to discover something of importance.
这一段没有很好的回应开头，而且完全抛开了新老手，有些混乱了吧。
Moreover, since the key factor is not experience, what is it on earth? I think that it is sound professional knowledge and a indomitable spirit. First, that sound professional knowledge is an essential is easy to be understood, after all, we cannot image that an individual knows nothing about a field of scientific inquiry can make any important discoveries. In addition, a indomitable（注意 an） spirit is also important to make important discoveries. As is pointed out above, the scientist's task is to explore the unknown secret of the world. During the inquriy, the scientist would encounter difficulties beyond imagine more or less. (我认为楼主的during用的有点乱)If the scientist has not（语法问题） a indomitable spirit, which I means（means 不是及物的啊， mean ） cannot insist to go foreword and overcome these difficulties, he can hardly make any important discoveries. For instance, Mrs. Curie, the mother of radium, spent nearly ten years on discovering the element radium, processing tons of material and refines only 0.1gram radium., incurs lots of difficulties. Without the unbeatable spirit it is impossible for Mrs. Curie to discover the element radium. Therefore, knowledge and an indomitable spirit is the primary factor to make important scientific discoveries. Once again, the beginner and the expert stand on the same scratch line.

In sum, form the discuss above, we can draw a conclusion that science is not a matter of experience means, a scientist who want to make important discoveries should be armed with sound professional knowledge and indomitable spirit. Thus none of the beginner and the expert is more likly to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry.
相比较前面来说，结尾有些逊色了，好的结尾应该是一个主题的升华。对不？