issue157 限时 砍丫砍丫砍！挖咔咔！

victoriazhizhiUID：163135

Issue157  第1篇 吧啦吧啦吧啦拍！

------摘要------
作者：victoriazhizhi     共用时间：40分40秒     595 words/ 633 words after rivesed
从2005年3月22日11时46分到2005年3月22日12时27分

------题目------
There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires.

------提纲------
观点：观察大多是客观的
1，对于amateurs，根据态度不同，或者客观或者主观的
2，对于specialists，大多都是客观的
3，让步，尽管会带有愿望等，但是过程还是客观，而且我们也制定各种规则促进客观性。

------正文------
Observation, meaning that the basic method watching something and taking note of anything it does, should not be affected by personal factors. Although people accomplish observations with various knowledge and background and some purpose and expectations, most observations are objective.

For amateurs, it is difficult to consider whether the observations are objective or subjective, for the different attitude of amateurs when doing observations. Some amateur observers, who deem the observation just as a hobby and interest and do not focus much on the result of observations, will keep their brain blank during the observation. For example, the famous documentary “Micro Cosmos”, completed by a France group, is the achievement of 15 years careful and objective watching. From that documentary, we can have an authentic and complete recognition of the insects. At the same time, some observers are watching a fact with a strong emotion, which lead to the subjective judgment of an observation. A good case in point is watching football or basketball match. Since it is a fact that most people have their favorite team or players, people are likely to put their confidence and desire into the match and are extremely yearning for their icons to win the competition. When Allen Iverson got the MVP of the NBA 2005's All Stars Game, most of his fans were too excited to believe that game was wonderful; while there were also many people considering that game as unexciting and monotonous because their favorite players lost the game. Thus, as amateurs, it is possible to demand them to be tremendously strict and objective with a certain fact and hence the observations can be either objective or subjective.

For scholars or experts, observation is more an objective course rather than a subjective process. Being professionals, scholars and experts have cultivated an objective and strict attitude when doing experiment and observations, for the reason that most of their work is of great importance to the society and human beings. When doing weather forecasts, it is not almost impossible for observers to bring their expectations or desires in the observation, since what they do is just focusing their concentration on recording the temperature, moisture and capability of water and snow and so forth, and these natural factors could not be affected by human's thoughts. In medicine realm, when scientists are doing clinical experiments, subjective consideration can bring about great changes to the patients, for the reason that before knowing the functions of the new method or medicine, doctors would not introduce other factors to the experiments. In the sphere of astronomy, the great observation Hubble's redshift, which has took many years for the scientists, is still being researched and studied and scientists have not made much conclusions according to their own perspectives and expectations yet, but still keep watching until they find accurate and convincing explanations about that phenomenon.

Admittedly, since most people have a wish that things can develop toward an orientation that will benefit the society and human beings or achieve their own demands, they are willing to put their best wishes into the observations. However, these desires and yearns could not change what they perceive. What make an observation different is various knowledge and aspect when explaining the phenomenon, but not the process of an observation. Furthermore, people in modern society are paying much attention to the objectivity of experiments and observations and have made many rules of scientific research, commercial standard and so on, which will benefit people in cultivating a precise stance their observations and do much good to a society.

In conclusion, to most observers, although sometimes they put their expectations and purpose into their observation and experiments, they are more likely to abbey the objective rules of observation and note things that they watched accurately and carefully during the process.


几天没写作文了，一直不思进取，sigh！
今天写的时候发觉手生，句子不会用，词语想不起来，打字也跟不上了，写了一半才适应。好在脑袋里想过这个题，不然定是什么写不出来丫！
悲愤！！！ :mad:  :mad:

各位同学，一定要每天都写，东西一天不用就迟钝了。可别像我似的！

sailing_yfUID：150982

------提纲------
观点：观察是客观的
1，对于amateurs，根据态度不同，或者客观或者主观的
2，对于specialists，大多都是客观的
3，让步，尽管会带有愿望等，但是过程还是客观，而且我们也制定各种规则促进客观性。

------正文------
Observation, meaning that the basic method watching something and taking note of anything it does, should not be affected by personal factors. Although people accomplish observations with various knowledge and background and some purpose and expectations, most observations are objective.

For amateurs, it is difficult to consider whether the observations are objective or subjective, for the different attitudes of amateurs when doing observations. Some amateur observers, who deem the observation just as a hobby and interest and do not focus much on the result of observations, will keep their brain blank during the observation. For example, the famous documentary “Micro Cosmos”, completed by a France group, is the achievement of 15 years careful and objective watching. From that documentary, we can have an authentic and complete recognition of the insects. At the same time, some observers are watching a fact with a strong emotion, which lead to the subjective judgment of an observation. A good case in point is watching football or basketball match. Since it is a fact that most people have their favorite team or players, people are likely to put their confidence and desire into the match and are extremely yearning for their icons to win the competition. When Allen Iverson got the MVP of the NBA 2005's All Stars Game, most of his fans are too excited to believe that game was wonderful; while there are also many people considering that game as unexciting and monotonous. Thus, as amateurs, it is possible to demand them to be tremendouslycompeletely strict and objective with a certain fact and hence the observations can be either objective or subjective.举看球赛的例子有点牵强，毕竟大家是来欣赏，不是观察，干吗不用一下政治的例子

For scholars or expert, observation is more an objective course rather than a subjective process. Being professionals, scholars and experts have cultivated an objective and strict attitude when doing experiment and observations, for the reason that most of their work is of great importance to the society and human beings. When doing weather forecasts, it is not almost impossible for observers to bring their expectations or desires in the observation, since what they do is just focusing their concentration on recording the temperature, moisture and capability of water and snow and so forth, and these natural factors could not be affected by human's thoughts. In medicine realm, when scientists are doing clinical experiments, subjective consideration can bring about great changes to the patients, for the reason that before knowing the functions of the new method or medicine, doctors would not introduce other factors to the experiments. In the sphere of astronomy, the great observation Hubble's redshift, which has took many years for the scientists, is still being researched and studied and scientists have not made much conclusions according to their own perspectives and expectations yet, but still keep watching until they find accurate and convincing explanations about that phenomenon.

Admittedly, since most people have a wish that things can develop toward an orientation that will benefit the society and human beings or achieve their own demands, they are willing to put their best wishes into the observations.这句让步不明显,后面however才表示出转折 However, these desires and yearns could not change what they perceive?. What make an observation different is various knowledge and aspect when explaining the phenomenon, but not the process of an observation. Furthermore, people in modern society are paying much attention to the objectivity of experiments and observations and have made many rules of scientific research, commercial standard and so on, which will benefit people in cultivating a precise stance有点语病 their observations and do much good to a society.

In conclusion, to most observers, although sometimes they put their expectations and purpose into their observation and experiments, they are more likely to abbeyobey the objective rules of observation and note things that they watched accurately and carefully during the process.
水平有限

victoriazhizhiUID：163135

嗯 谢谢楼上的
所以说啊，到写的时候脑袋跟不上啊

看球赛那个例子 诶 我再想想 还有一点就是这才是业余者啊，球迷啊，而对于专家们评论员们可能看的时候就是个obseration了，就需要客观的科学的评价。 不过感觉上还是比较勉强。 谢谢建议

B3因为一开始没有打算写让步的，后来看时间还有不少，于是就写了一下，以前没构思过，所以写的比较破，呵呵

楼上的有什么要我砍的给个地址哈！

sailing_yfUID：150982

新写的
https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=257895
谢谢多题建议
尤其是论点的第三个没词写
谢谢

猫猫624UID：171232

------正文------
Observation, meaning that the basic method of watching something and taking note of anything it does, should not be affected by personal factors. Although people accomplish observations with various knowledge and background and some purpose and expectations三个and 汗！various knowledge, background, purpose and expectations , most observations are objective.

For amateurs, it is difficult to consider whether the observations are objective or subjective, for for 做原因后面只能加句子吧，吱吱，你可是语法高手呀 the different attitude of amateurs when doing observations. Some amateur observers, who deem the observation just as a hobby and interest and do not focus much on the result of observations, will keep their brain blank during the observation. For example, the famous documentary “Micro Cosmos”, completed by a France group, is the achievement of 15 years careful and objective watching. From that documentary, we can have an authentic and complete recognition of the insects. At the same time, some observers are watching a fact with a strong emotion, which lead to the subjective judgment of an observation. A good case in point is watching football or basketball match. Since it is a fact that most people have their favorite team or players, people are likely to put their confidence and desire into the match and are extremely yearning for their icons to win the competition. When Allen Iverson got the MVP of the NBA 2005's All Stars Game, most of his fans were too excited to believe that game was wonderful too …to 结构有否定意思在里面，太激动了以至于不相信比赛是精彩的？？？？; while there were also many people considering that game as unexciting and monotonous because their favorite players lost the game. Thus, as amateurs, it is possible to demand them to be tremendously strict and objective with a certain fact and hence the observations can be either objective or subjective.

For scholars or experts, observation is more an objective course rather than a subjective process. Being professionals, scholars and experts have cultivated an objective and strict attitude when doing experiment s and observations, for the reason that most of their work is of great importance to the society and human beings. When doing weather forecasts, it is not almost impossible for observers to bring their expectations or desires in the observation, since what they do is just focusing their concentration on recording the temperature, moisture and capability of water and snow and so forth, and these natural factors could not be affected by human's thoughts. In medicine realm, when scientists are doing clinical experiments, subjective consideration can bring about great changes to the patients, for the reason that before knowing the functions of the new method or medicine, doctors would not introduce other factors to the experiments. In the sphere of astronomy, the great observation Hubble's redshift,这是什么冬冬？ which has took many years for the scientists, is still being researched and studied and scientists have not made much conclusions according to their own perspectives and expectations yet, but still keep watching until they find accurate and convincing explanations about that phenomenon.

Admittedly, since most people have a wish that things can develop toward an orientation that will benefit the society and human beings or achieve their own demands,定从套定从，改改吧，晕呀 they are willing to put their best wishes into the observations. However, these desires and yearns could not change what they perceive. What make an observation different is various knowledge and aspect when explaining the phenomenon, but not the process of an observation. Furthermore, people in modern society are paying much attention to the objectivity of experiments and observations and have made many rules of scientific research, commercial standard and so on, which will benefit people in cultivating a precise stance their observations and do much good to a society.

In conclusion, to most observers, although sometimes they put their expectations and purpose into their observation and experiments, they are more likely to abbey the objective rules of observation and note things that they watched accurately and carefully during the process.

砖来了，先戴个盔！几天不见好像退步了，论证的不深入呀。还有阿狗准备的如何？拿出来拍拍。
我今天的还没有写，晚上发上去

sailing_yfUID：150982

关于政治的话题可以用平民的眼光来说说领土争端，石油价格亚等等
也许会好一点

boyjimUID：125249

占位置~~zhizhi去哪里了~最近不见你哦~

victoriazhizhiUID：163135

吱吱最近颓废呢 不思进取
疯玩
因为上几次写的破 心里实属不爽 就没有passion了 挖咔咔 看见了你写的几篇 没有改 今天给你砍

boyjimUID：125249

------题目------
There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires.

------提纲------
观点：观察大多是客观的
1，对于amateurs，根据态度不同，或者客观或者主观的
2，对于specialists，大多都是客观的
3，让步，尽管会带有愿望等，但是过程还是客观，而且我们也制定各种规则促进客观性。

------正文------
Observation, meaning that the basic method watching something and taking note of anything it does, should not be affected by personal factors. Although people accomplish observations with various knowledge and background and some purpose and expectations, most observations are objective.

For amateurs, it is difficult to consider whether the observations are objective or subjective, for the different attitude of amateurs when doing observations. Some amateur observers, who deem the observation just as a hobby and interest and do not focus much on the result of observations, will keep their brain blank during the observation. For example, the famous documentary “Micro Cosmos”, completed by a France group, is the achievement of 15 years careful and objective watching.[观察15年还叫不转业~] From that documentary, we can have an authentic and complete recognition of the insects. At the same time, some observers are watching a fact with a strong emotion, which lead to the subjective judgment of an observation. A good case in point is watching football or basketball match. Since it is a fact that most people have their favorite team or players, people are likely to put their confidence and desire into the match and are extremely yearning for their icons to win the competition. When Allen Iverson got the MVP of the NBA 2005's All Stars Game, most of his fans were too excited to believe that game was wonderful[这个too,to用得不错，但可以用得更加简洁，too good to be true]; while there were also many people considering that game as unexciting and monotonous because their favorite players lost the game.[看球赛的就是专家行家了么？和专家不专家没什么关系哦~你这么定义有点不妥哦] Thus, as amateurs, it is possible to demand them to be tremendously strict and objective with a certain fact and hence the observations can be either objective or subjective.[感觉还没说到点子上！]

For scholars or experts, observation is more an objective course rather than a subjective process. Being professionals, scholars and experts have [been]cultivated an objective and strict attitude when doing experiment and observations, for the reason that most of their work is of great importance to the society and human beings. When doing weather forecasts, it is not almost impossible for observers to bring their expectations or desires in the observation, since what they do is just focusing their concentration on recording the temperature, moisture and capability of water and snow and so forth, and these natural factors could not be affected by human's thoughts.[以上所说的所有参数都是人们自己定义出来的参数~所以是带着人的主观的~即使当他没有主观哦~这些数据的观察也是机器或者人读出来的~肯定有误差！这个误差因人而异。。当然~~我有点吹毛求疵了~~哈哈~~] In medicine realm, when scientists are doing clinical experiments, subjective consideration can bring about great changes to the patients, for the reason that before knowing the functions of the new method or medicine,[对阿！这个就是主观因素了！] doctors would not introduce other factors to the experiments. In the sphere of astronomy, the great observation [of]Hubble's redshift, which has took many years for the scientists, is still being researched and studied and scientists have not made much conclusions according to their own perspectives and expectations yet, but still keep watching until they find accurate and convincing explanations about that phenomenon.[这个例子和客观主观无关~是在坚持而已~]

Admittedly, since most people have a wish that things can develop toward an orientation that will benefit the society and human beings or achieve their own demands, they are willing to put their best wishes into the observations. However, these desires and yearns could not change what they perceive. What make an observation different is various knowledge and aspect when explaining the phenomenon, but not the process of an observation[这个没有论证]. Furthermore, people in modern society are paying much attention to the objectivity of experiments and observations and have made many rules of scientific research, commercial standard[这个就是人制定的规则阿~] and so on, which will benefit people in cultivating a precise stance their observations and do much good to a society.

In conclusion, to most observers, although sometimes they put their expectations and purpose into their observation and experiments, they are more likely to abbey[？？] the objective rules of observation and note things that they watched accurately and carefully during the process.
[第一段的让步可以放在第三段~第三段的让步可以稍短~把第一段的补回来~
zhizhi的语法一直都不错~我现在比你还差阿~没语言不说~思路也陷入死胡同里面了~]

几天没写作文了，一直不思进取，sigh！
今天写的时候发觉手生，句子不会用，词语想不起来，打字也跟不上了，写了一半才适应。好在脑袋里想过这个题，不然定是什么写不出来丫！

victoriazhizhiUID：163135

那个昆虫世界的例子我没说好， 我是想说观察15年但是仅从拍摄的角度来说，而不是进行昆虫研究，注重的只是昆虫活动的过程。所以还是业余的。

红移那个例子想说的是，一直在进行观测，而没有为了因为有什么期待或者愿望就影响观察快速的作出结论。
压抑，发觉表达能力太破了，说不明白，诶！

第一段其实不是让步，是说业余来说，有主观的东西。
然后说专业方面，不能主观，还是客观的。
所以总的来说，大方面都是客观的。

sigh～～～～～～ 这就是这两天没好好写的结果！
我才死胡同呢，昨天问人题目，自己没怎么，快把人弄疯了，压根脑袋和浆糊似的。 :(

楼上加油！
让砍哪个把？我去报仇

boyjimUID：125249

我也来个客观主观的观察~帮我看看吧~我发现我写文章老和大家的观点不太相同~哈哈~

victoriazhizhiUID：163135

晕 刚看见猫猫的贴
我就是退步了 :(
至于你说那几个语法问题，我晕死了，狂汗！！！
天啊 我写的时候就和没学过英语似的 手忙脚乱
这几天补回去的！ :mad:


BWT！阿莱的头像真BT :o

victoriazhizhiUID：163135

阿莱，鬼鬼，菠萝

你们不用帮我看了

我重写

谢谢

不用劳神了

apolloxpUID：156355

晕~~~~
好吧，等你的修改版

阿莱UID：190806

Observation, meaning that the basic method watching something and taking note of anything it does, should not be affected by personal factors. Although people accomplish observations with various knowledge and background and some purpose and expectations, most observations are objective.我觉得 这个观点表达的就跟没有观点似的 说具体一点：什么时候客观 什么时候不客观 把意思提炼出来摆在这里 不要让人家去猜。开头是“总”，是要照应“分”的

For amateurs, it is difficult to consider whether the observations are objective or subjective, for the different attitude of amateurs when doing observations. Some amateur observers, who deem the observation just as a hobby and interest and do not focus much on the result of observations, will keep their brain blank during the observation. For example, the famous documentary “Micro Cosmos”, completed by a France group, is the achievement of 15 years careful and objective watching. From that documentary, we can have an authentic and complete recognition of the insects. At the same time, some observers are watching a fact with a strong emotion, which lead to the subjective judgment of an observation. A good case in point is watching football or basketball match. Since it is a fact that most people have their favorite team or players, people are likely to put their confidence and desire into the match and are extremely yearning for their icons to win the competition. When Allen Iverson got the MVP of the NBA 2005's All Stars Game, most of his fans were too excited to believe that game was wonderful; while there were also many people considering that game as unexciting and monotonous because their favorite players lost the game需要进一步确定的是：我们在看一场比赛的时候 什么是observation什么是feelings什么是critique. Thus, as amateurs, it is possible to demand them to be tremendously strict and objective with a certain fact and hence the observations can be either objective or subjective.
看完了body1 我觉得这个题目还是要从observation的精确理解上入手
AHD的解释：
observation
n.Abbr. obs.（名词）缩写 obs.
The act or faculty of observing.
观察的行为或能力
The fact of being observed.
被观察到的事实
The act of noting and recording something, such as a phenomenon, with instruments.
观测：用仪器注意到并记录下来，如某种现象
The result or record of such notation:
观测结果：观测的结果或记录：
a meteorological observation.
一项气象学的观测结果
A comment or remark.See Synonyms at comment
评论：一项评价或议论参见 comment
An inference or a judgment that is acquired from or based on observing.
观测结论：从观测得出的推论或判断

出乎意料的是，observation竟然包括了评论，推论，判断这些个很主观的意思。
虽然出乎意料，我觉得却恰恰给我们指明了一个破题的思路，那就是把observation拆开来讨论，套用上面的含义，当observation是被观测的事实，那么她基本上是客观的；作为评论等，那基本上是主观的了。这样想来，倒了却了我们对observation和observation之后的事情的区分和混淆。——这是我个人认为的比较理想的破题思路；继续看下文

For scholars or experts, observation is more an objective course rather than a subjective process. Being professionals, scholars and experts have cultivated an objective and strict attitude when doing experiment and observations, for the reason that most of their work is of great importance to the society and human beings. When doing weather forecasts, it is not almost impossible for observers to bring their expectations or desires in the observation, since what they do is just focusing their concentration on recording the temperature, moisture and capability of water and snow and so forth, and these natural factors could not be affected by human's thoughts. In medicine realm, when scientists are doing clinical experiments, subjective consideration can bring about great changes to the patients, for the reason that before knowing the functions of the new method or medicine, doctors would not introduce other factors to the experiments. In the sphere of astronomy, the great observation Hubble's redshift, which has took many years for the scientists, is still being researched and studied and scientists have not made much conclusions according to their own perspectives and expectations yet, but still keep watching until they find accurate and convincing explanations about that phenomenon.

Admittedly, since most people have a wish that things can develop toward an orientation that will benefit the society and human beings or achieve their own demands, they are willing to put their best wishes into the observations. However, these desires and yearns could not change what they perceive. What make an observation different is various knowledge and aspect when explaining the phenomenon, but not the process of an observation. Furthermore, people in modern society are paying much attention to the objectivity of experiments and observations and have made many rules of scientific research, commercial standard and so on, which will benefit people in cultivating a precise stance their observations and do much good to a society.

In conclusion, to most observers, although sometimes they put their expectations and purpose into their observation and experiments, they are more likely to abbey the objective rules of observation and note things that they watched accurately and carefully during the process.


看完之后 还是让我松了一口气 比我想象的要好 虽然你的思路很新颖 但是写的还是不错的 只是经不住推敲。一个观点和理论的得出，并不是有例子支持 那么就是正确的，我们还要站在第三者的角度还看这个观点，判断它究竟是不是站的住脚。从我的理解来看，把观察者分成业余和专业并不是一个很严谨的针对于可主客观问题的分角度方法，简单说来，专家不会完全客观，业余不会完全主观，而且专家，业余者的观察主体很难有完全一致性，这就导致了不可对比性。还有，主客观的产生和知识的掌握程度至少不是一个直接的逻辑关系。所以整篇文章给人感觉比较含糊，因为一些桥梁没有建好，却到达了河的另一岸。可能这就是所谓思维跳跃？我们要尽量的使用一层的逻辑关系，比如，一个因，然后得出一个果；而不是a-->b-->C,只给出了a，然后就给出了c. 先说这些 有问题再谈。千万别着急，不要浮躁，好好准备。没问题。