issue203 第三篇

if_lotusUID: 175616

Issue203  第3篇
------题目------
The best way to understand the character of a society is to examine the character of the men and women that the society chooses as its heroes or its heroines.
------提纲------
想法：
本题在新东方修锐的分类中，属于“个人与整体”类，即应该从个体和整体的关系入手。我的提纲中，B2体现了这一原则。

立场：小部分赞成，大部分反对。
（参考了renwei，conquer0824，songwei1765的部分观点、例子）
B1：赞成。人们对英雄的评价标准代表了社会上大多数人真善美的标准，可以了解一个社会的价值取向，进而了解大多数人的character；同时考虑到individuals的信息量太大，故短时间内用这个方法不错。
[e.g.
1）林肯。他对南方战犯的宽恕代表了时代的宽容；他挑起战后重建工作的重担，代表了那个时代人们战胜困难的决心
2）希特勒。在那个时代，他被认为是英雄，体现了那个时代德国人性格上的的自大、侵略性。]

B2：反对。若想要全面了解社会的character，有充分时间的话，应该分析大众的character（与B1的短时间内对比）。社会是个人的集合，而个人又是唯一而独立的拥有独一无二的character，因此社会的character是各种character的集合。单个character不可能概括所有的character。
[有什么比较合适的例子阿？]

B3：反对。英雄的品质有时是社会所向往的，很可能是因为社会缺乏这种virture。
[e.g.银幕英雄]

------正文------
To understand a society's character, is examining the character of its heroes or its heroines, as the speaker asserts, the best way? Within a certain time limit, that is perhaps a simple solution. Given sufficient time, however, analyzing the character of populace at large is the best way to the issue.

To some extent, the ethics showed by heroes and heroines is in character with the society. The term-hero and heroine-is not allocated to any individual at random. The standards are controlled by the public. If people's deeds are appreciating to the public, they will be renowned as heroes and heroines. Society's character is reflected by its people's values, which are in turn, reflected by the heroes and heroines of society. We can largely understand the values of a society by inspecting its heroes and heroines. For instance, Lincoln's condoning of the persons who were taken prisoners by northern soldiers represented the society's tolerance towards prisoners in war. And, he burdened himself with the post-war reconstruction of America, which reflected the people's confidence of surmounting the difficulties. Hitler, who had been viewed as a hero at that time in Germany, initiated anti-Semitic policies that Jews were dissuaded or banned from privileged and superior positions reserved for "Aryan" Germans, hoped to conquer the entire world, which, to the core, showed the German’s arrogance and aggression. Moreover, examining the heroes and heroines's characters, as the examples as Lincoln and Hitler, is a simple way since the information of populace's characters is too much to be collected and analyzed. Without enough time, one cannot summarize a society’s values by do so.

Nevertheless, given an adequate supply of time, the best way to understand a society's characters at all levels is to evaluate not only the character of heroes and heroines but the populace of a community. As a society is a collection of individuals, each individual has its unique character, then society's character is a collection of individual's character. One such heroes and heroines' character couldn't epitomize the public’s character.[例子？还没想出来]

What's more, a society chooses certain people as it heroes not because they mirror the society but rather because the society's members appreciate, wishing that they could emulate those traits of characters. Therefore, their excellent spirits are precious and valuable merits meet the social requirements. Those imaginary heroes on silver-screen describe the proclaimed characters in a society. Indiana Jones, the famous silver-screen hero, who experienced a great many adventures, indicated the adoration of the adventuresome spirit and bold behavior in America. While Superman and Spiderman, who have supernatural power and ability, are representations of individuals carrying on great obligations and responsibility. Their characters, especially their excellent humanity, are undoubtedly admired among the majority.（459 words）

In sum,……[懒得写了~]

可能有用的词组/句子（牛津字典里的）：
character traits/defects性格特点/弱点
buildings that are very simple in character
He showed great character returning to the sport after his accident.
Adventure camps are considered to be character-building.
in character/out of character符合/不符合某人的性格
in character with sth. 与……风格相同

leo_chenUID: 206840

第二段的论述不充分对整篇文章伤害太大了。
issue作文又不一定要写自己最真实的想法，而是写最容易写而且ms有说服力的观点

if_lotusUID: 175616

恩~ leo说得有道理~

第二段我看要不就纯说理这么写好了……

mickyeUID: 198329

To understand a society's character, is examining the character of its heroes or its heroines, as the speaker asserts, the best way? Within a certain time limit, that is perhaps a simple solution. Given sufficient time, however, analyzing the character of populace at large is the best way to the issue. (given 感觉有点别扭)

To some extent, the ethics showed by heroes and heroines is in character with the society. The term-hero and heroine-is not allocated to any individual at random. The standards are controlled by the public. If people's deeds are appreciating to（？我不太明白） the public, they will be renowned as heroes and heroines. Society's character is reflected by（主动语态吧） its people's values, which are in turn, reflected by the heroes and heroines of society.（这句好怪，我没读懂） We can largely understand the values of a society by inspecting its heroes and heroines. For instance, Lincoln's condoning of the persons who were taken prisoners by northern soldiers represented the society's tolerance towards prisoners in war. And, he burdened himself with the post-war reconstruction of America, which reflected the people's confidence of surmounting the difficulties. Hitler, who had been viewed as a hero at that time in Germany, initiated anti-Semitic policies that Jews were dissuaded or banned from privileged and superior positions reserved for "Aryan" Germans, hoped to conquer the entire world, which, to the core, showed the German’s arrogance and aggression. Moreover, examining the heroes and heroines's characters, as the examples as Lincoln and Hitler, is a simple way since the information of populace's characters is too much to be collected and analyzed. Without enough time, one cannot summarize a society’s values by do so.(个人觉得例子蛮好的，用词也不错，不过例子之后的总结可能没写好)

Nevertheless, given an adequate supply of time, the best way to understand a society's characters at all levels is to evaluate not only the character of heroes and heroines but the populace of a community. As a society is a collection of individuals, each individual has its unique character, then society's character is a collection of individual's character. One such heroes and heroines' character couldn't epitomize the public’s character.[例子？还没想出来]
(这个例子我也想不到～)

What's more, a society chooses certain people as it heroes not because they mirror the society but rather because the society's members appreciate, wishing that they could emulate those traits of characters. Therefore, their excellent spirits are precious and valuable merits meet the social requirements. Those imaginary heroes on silver-screen describe the proclaimed characters in a society. Indiana Jones, the famous silver-screen hero, who experienced a great many adventures, indicated the adoration of the adventuresome spirit and bold behavior in America. While Superman and Spiderman, who have supernatural power and ability, are representations of individuals carrying on great obligations and responsibility. Their characters, especially their excellent humanity, are undoubtedly admired among the majority.（459 words）
(个人觉得这一段的观点好像argument里的观点～银幕英雄算不算英雄，他本身只是fiction啊，我觉得可能不算吧)

In sum,……[懒得写了~]

fhxyweiUID: 157384

Issue203  第3篇
------题目------
The best way to understand the character of a society is to examine the character of the men and women that the society chooses as its heroes or its heroines.
------提纲------
想法：
本题在新东方修锐的分类中，属于“个人与整体”类，即应该从个体和整体的关系入手。我的提纲中，B2体现了这一原则。

立场：小部分赞成，大部分反对。
（参考了renwei，conquer0824，songwei1765的部分观点、例子）
B1：赞成。人们对英雄的评价标准代表了社会上大多数人真善美的标准，可以了解一个社会的价值取向，进而了解大多数人的character；同时考虑到individuals的信息量太大，故短时间内用这个方法不错。
[e.g.
1）林肯。他对南方战犯的宽恕代表了时代的宽容；他挑起战后重建工作的重担，代表了那个时代人们战胜困难的决心
[林肯这个例子不能算作短时间内的例子，实际上林肯一直就被美国人长期地当作英雄来看]

2）希特勒。在那个时代，他被认为是英雄，体现了那个时代德国人性格上的的自大、侵略性。]
[这个例子还是比较精当的，我也用了]

B2：反对。若想要全面了解社会的character，有充分时间的话，应该分析大众的character（与B1的短时间内对比）。社会是个人的集合，而个人又是唯一而独立的拥有独一无二的character，因此社会的character是各种character的集合。单个character不可能概括所有的character。
[有什么比较合适的例子阿？]这个观点倒是新颖而复杂，论证起来难度很大阿！！
B3：反对。英雄的品质有时是社会所向往的，很可能是因为社会缺乏这种virture。
[e.g.银幕英雄]

这个观点也是很新颖的，不知道你怎么论证的，接着往下看

提纲准确地回应了题目，没有偏题-

-----正文------
To understand a society's character, is examining the character of its heroes or its heroines, as the speaker asserts, the best way? Within a certain time limit, that is perhaps a simple solution. Given sufficient time, however, analyzing the character of populace at large is the best way to the issue.[开头也表明了是一个平衡观点]

To some extent, the ethics showed by heroes and heroines is in character with [这个词组用的好，比我老用一些什么represent,symbolize，reflect强多了]the society. The term-hero[自己造出来的吧？] and heroine-is not allocated to any individual at random. The standards are controlled by the public. If people's deeds are appreciating to the public[有这个短语吗？我不清楚], they will be renowned as heroes and heroines. Society's character is reflected by its people's values, which are in turn, reflected by the heroes and heroines of society. We can largely understand the values of a society by inspecting its heroes and heroines.[下面的例子不看了，我的疑问和提纲一样] For instance, Lincoln's condoning of the persons who were taken prisoners by northern soldiers represented the society's tolerance towards prisoners in war. And, he burdened himself with the post-war reconstruction of America, which reflected the people's confidence of surmounting the difficulties. Hitler, who had been viewed as a hero at that time in Germany, initiated anti-Semitic policies that Jews were dissuaded or banned from privileged and superior positions reserved for "Aryan" Germans, hoped to conquer the entire world, which, to the core, showed the German’s arrogance and aggression. Moreover],[这个词我觉得还是用therefore或者thus，因为是你总结你的观点，并不是递进关系] examining the heroes and heroines's characters, as the examples as Lincoln and Hitler, is a simple way since the information of populace's characters is too much to be collected and analyzed. Without enough time, one cannot summarize a society’s values by do[ing] so.

Nevertheless, given an adequate supply of time, the best way to understand a society's characters at all levels is to evaluate not only the character of heroes and heroines but the populace of a community. As a society is a collection of individuals, each individual has its unique character, then society's character is a collection of individual's character. One such heroes and heroines' character couldn't epitomize the public’s character.[例子？还没想出来][这个观点论证起来很复杂的，写一个不成功的论证，被ets判为 is not well developed，很定不是一个好主意，是我就干脆cut掉]
What's more, a society chooses certain people as it heroes not because they mirror the society but rather because the society's members appreciate, wishing that they could emulate those traits of characters. Therefore, their excellent spirits are precious and valuable merits meet the social requirements. Those imaginary heroes on silver-screen describe the proclaimed characters in a society. Indiana Jones, the famous silver-screen hero, who experienced a great many adventures, indicated the adoration of the adventuresome spirit and bold behavior in America. [光说明adoration还不够，你的最终目的是说明银屏英雄的品质根本就不能反映社会性质，而你这两个例子的论证起到了counterproductive的效果，反而让我们相信了美国社会就是一个象银屏里面的描述的一样是一个崇尚冒险和勇敢的社会，下面的蜘蛛人的例子更是这样，论证下来和你的提纲中的最后一个观点已经开始背道而驰，我觉得你要论证的重点是真实的美国社会中其实缺乏银屏英雄的那种精神的，你光说admiration和adoration并不能证明社会中就没有那种精神！]While Superman and Spiderman, who have supernatural power and ability, are representations of individuals carrying on great obligations and responsibility. Their characters, especially their excellent humanity, are undoubtedly admired among the majority.（459 words）

对照你的论点：B3：反对。英雄的品质有时是社会所向往的，很可能是因为社会缺乏这种virture。

这一段的论证的中心我觉得你要讲清楚提纲里面的两个字“缺乏”，而你却把重点放在了“向往”，所以还不能自圆其说，至少还没说服我：） 我相信诡辩论的，只要你讲的有理，把希特勒说成英雄我都信！:lol

改完了，有意见我们再讨论！


In sum,……[懒得写了~]

可能有用的词组/句子（牛津字典里的）：
character traits/defects性格特点/弱点
buildings that are very simple in character
He showed great character returning to the sport after his accident.
Adventure camps are considered to be character-building.
in character/out of character符合/不符合某人的性格
in character with sth. 与……风格相同

[ Last edited by fhxywei on 2005-7-3 at 16:14 ]

禾日因心UID: 174510

issue203 第三篇

Issue203  第3篇
------题目------
The best way to understand the character of a society is to examine the character of the men and women that the society chooses as its heroes or its heroines.
------提纲------
想法：
本题在新东方修锐的分类中，属于“个人与整体”类，即应该从个体和整体的关系入手。我的提纲中，B2体现了这一原则。

立场：小部分赞成，大部分反对。
（参考了renwei，conquer0824，songwei1765的部分观点、例子）
B1：赞成。人们对英雄的评价标准代表了社会上大多数人真善美的标准，可以了解一个社会的价值取向，进而了解大多数人的character；同时考虑到individuals的信息量太大，故短时间内用这个方法不错。
[e.g.
1）林肯。他对南方战犯的宽恕代表了时代的宽容；他挑起战后重建工作的重担，代表了那个时代人们战胜困难的决心
2）希特勒。在那个时代，他被认为是英雄，体现了那个时代德国人性格上的的自大、侵略性。] 这两个例子很好，可以充分证明论点，学习ing

B2：反对。若想要全面了解社会的character，有充分时间的话，应该分析大众的character（与B1的短时间内对比）。社会是个人的集合，而个人又是唯一而独立的拥有独一无二的character，因此社会的character是各种character的集合。单个character不可能概括所有的character。
[有什么比较合适的例子阿？]  人的性格是有二重性的，常常是一半天使，一半恶魔，表面上正直大度的人，实际生活中吝啬成性等等，觉的实在举不出事例，可以用假设
B3：反对。英雄的品质有时是社会所向往的，很可能是因为社会缺乏这种virture。
[e.g.银幕英雄]这点和楼主正好不谋而合呀;) 还可以拿现实社会中的例子，比如以前报纸上老鼓吹某领导刚正不阿，如何两袖清风，那是因为现实中的中国已经差不多到了无官不贪的地步了（偶是实话是说）这样就弥补fhxywei所说的缺憾了。
楼主的提纲很好，只要能不偏离，文章就可以很不错了

fhxyweiUID: 157384

人的性格是有二重性的，常常是一半天使，一半恶魔，表面上正直大度的人，实际生活中吝啬成性等等，觉的实在举不出事例，可以用假设

这个和反映一个社会性质有什么关系？

if_lotusUID: 175616

恩，关于这个我也有点儿晕~

禾日因心：来，说说看

禾日因心UID: 174510

我的意思是说正是因为个人的性格是有二重性的，即使是社会所选出的hero也是常常是一半天使，一半恶魔，所以才不能完全体现社会的character,比如，某位伟人正直大度，这正是社会所推崇的品质，但同时他也是个吝啬成性的人，按照题目所给逻辑个人的character可以examine 社会的character，那么这个社会在推崇正直大度的同时也吝啬成风呢，显然这样的推理是不对的。
    另外，觉得想要全面了解社会的character，需要从政治，文化，法制等上去看，政治上是否民主，文化上推崇什么，法制上是否健全等。
   这也是我自己提纲上的一部分， 我理解的也许有误，希望大家给意见，共同探讨，

fhxyweiUID: 157384

1，if_lotus的 b2中心意思 是：单个character不可能概括所有的character，要从这个出发点分析阿，也就是说,不管他是天使还是恶魔，个别英雄人物不能代表整个社会所有成员的character，if_lotus逻辑是这样的：特例不能概括全部，攻击的是false generalization

2，何日因心的逻辑是这样：个人的性格有对立的二重性不能推出社会的性质也有对立的二重性。
但我觉得这个逻辑还有待商榷，为什么说社会就不能再推崇正值大度的同时，也吝啬成风呢？ 就象现在社会上提倡反腐倡廉的同时也是贪污成风，社会本来就是一个复杂的存在！

总之，你们两个人的逻辑出发点不一样，构成了2个不同的论点

禾日因心UID: 174510

恩，fhxywei 说的很有道理呀，我要把我的论点再重新整理过，再想想看
anyway 真是谢谢了，从楼上几位那学到不少

if_lotusUID: 175616

fhxywei总结的很精辟,我就是这个意思.
禾日因心的意思俺也明晰了!


我和禾日因心想的不一样.

zzdelpUID: 186256

我想，英雄之所以被推崇，他的性格和精神有种不朽的东西，可以永远被人尊重，不同时代，不同国家，都可以推崇这种英雄，尊重这种精神，但是时代不同，国家不同，社会情况可能是完全不同的。所以，应该从其他方面，如政治，经济，科技去衡量社会状态，而不仅仅是英雄，毕竟，英雄只是精神层面的，是价值观，社会的特征，还有实际的物质层面，即社会状态。

if_lotusUID: 175616

说得有一定道理，也就是他因法。

但我在写“问题解决型”题目时，总觉得他因法会有点不自然，扯远了/凑字数。
主观上不太喜欢这种方法。

不过从另一个角度来讲，他因法也能体现出你对题目延伸性的把握。
见仁见智罢！