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原帖由 luingor 于 2006-1-9 02:33 发表
congratulations!
first,you must consider the contour of your career plan. KPMG may be not the best offer for you unless your major or interest focus on Audit ,taxation, whatever.It always takes 2  ...

其实我不觉得Big 4 很差，只是招的人比较多而显得没有稀缺性而已
Mck在中国的工资也不高的，而且那个信息分析员不是他们的传统的Business Analyst职务
无论作什么，个人觉得兴趣最重要。我就认识一个拒了US Top consulting firm去big 4的（PWC的Financial Due Diligence）

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原帖由 luingor 于 2006-1-9 02:33 发表
congratulations!
first,you must consider the contour of your career plan. KPMG may be not the best offer for you unless your major or interest focus on Audit ,taxation, whatever.It always takes 2  ...

It is very unlikely that one will work for a single client for over two years in big 4 as u suggested. In fact, one of the biggest attractions of Big 4 is the exposure to different businesses at an early stage and the prestigious client portfolio.

Workload will no doubt be very heavy, but if u r talking about financial service industry, things are more or less the same. At least in the UK, Corp Finance or M&A ppl work much longer hours than Auditors.

[ 本帖最后由 whoeverioe 于 2006-1-9 05:24 编辑 ]

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Thanks to all! Thanks for your precious opinions!
In fact I am not afraid of, or worry about, my future workload. I know as a young employee it would be a kind of "horrible" experience whether in Big 4 or in consulting firm.
It is right that the most important thing is personal interest. Yet as a fresh graduate I am confused about my real interest. How can I say which field attracts me most when I know nothing about it? So first job is like a question mark...However I have to devote all my energy on it.
The position I applied in Mckinsey is junior information analyst. It definitely is not that exciting as business analyst. But it does provide chances to be a business analyst. I choose information technology and electronics industry as my future research area if I could be engaged in Mck. What Mck attracts me most is its possible opportunity to study abroad. Anyway it is a great experience to have passed 4 rounds of interview and seen a lot of Niu Ren.
Again thans to all the guys here, you are the ones who gives me confidence and guidance!

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原帖由 whoeverioe 于 2006-1-9 05:22 发表


It is very unlikely that one will work for a single client for over two years in big 4 as u suggested. In fact, one of the biggest attractions of Big 4 is the exposure to different businesses a ...

在big 4中国，两年都跟一个客户是有可能的，看你分的group
像E&Y 如果你在北京office，可能你两年都在做PICC或者ICBC，如果在深圳office，可能一年到头都在作平安保险
KPMG也是一样，他们家巨型客户更多
年中开始做中期review，之后是年审，即使你接触不同行业，你应付的永远是financial statement

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原帖由 dragon105 于 2006-1-9 13:30 发表

在big 4中国，两年都跟一个客户是有可能的，看你分的group
像E&Y 如果你在北京office，可能你两年都在做PICC或者ICBC，如果在深圳office，可能一年到头都在作平安保险
KPMG也是一样，他们家巨型客户更多
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sure,that's what I mentioned above and I knew it clearly.It's really boring.

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原帖由 whoeverioe 于 2006-1-9 05:22 发表


It is very unlikely that one will work for a single client for over two years in big 4 as u suggested. In fact, one of the biggest attractions of Big 4 is the exposure to different businesses a ...

I agree with your point about the big four's advantage,however in fact the employees in entry level do hardly reach many different kinds of industry deeply, even no more than 3-5 companies in short time.
I guess whoeverioe must know about what's about corporate finance and what is in volved in financial services industry.Actually as I know some of financial services firms' load for most of employees are not terrible, at least less than big four's. Maybe it's a little bit different in UK, to some extent.I don't know.
But IBs' workload is really heavy for analysts and researchers,espcially these entry level positions who have to work crazily to keep the job and strive for the promotion.It's common to work 70-110 hours per week in most of IB. I think information related jobs may be different.

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As a top consulting company in the world, Mckinsey's benefit package is really attractive. CICC and Bank of China(hk) are the two top IB in China mainland, base salaries for entry level position(researcher and analysts ) are 25w rmb and 16w rmb respectively before tax, maybe they are not very accurate, I guess, but I am sure they are close to the truth, more or less. The base salary package for Mckinsey is definitely higher than these two IB, maybe 35w rmb per year before tax. I know some MBA graduates from Wharton and other top MBA programs got the Mckinsey's job offrer and were appointed to China branch, their salary packages excluding bonus in the first year are about $10w, not now.
There are big differences among different MNCs,for instance, some top MBA graduates who grudated from top business schools, like Duke, UCLA, received the job offer from Johnson&Johnson which required them relocate in China got the salary package about us$4-5w in the first year.These are true.

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The fact is that anyone should not expect more like before 911 from any of US TOP MBAs which cannot guarantee anything for graduates, especially for international students.

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原帖由 dragon105 于 2006-1-9 04:05 发表

其实我不觉得Big 4 很差，只是招的人比较多而显得没有稀缺性而已
Mck在中国的工资也不高的，而且那个信息分析员不是他们的传统的Business Analyst职务
无论作什么，个人觉得兴趣最重要。我就认识一个拒了US T ...

dragon105,don't make fun of me, I don't want to be the target of being attacked.ok,just kidding:)
I just say the offer from kpmg may be not the best offer according to the mm's background, and I never said big four is bad,or something like what you said.Actually I almost were one member in big four long before, kidding, just couples of years ago.

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原帖由 luingor 于 2006-1-9 15:53 发表

dragon105,don't make fun of me, I don't want to be the target of being attacked.ok,just kidding:)
I just say the offer from kpmg may be not the best offer according to the mm's background, and I ...

  Sorry, I didn't mean to attack you. I applogize for what I have said if this would bring any misunderstanding.
  Actually, entry level salary for Mck's PRC office is not so high as you said since it's not  global pay currently. I can tell you that it is about 11,000 rmb/m(Based in PRC,in addtional to bonus) while entry level salary for its HK office is 27,500 HKD/m. I applied for Mck's corporate finance analyst position and was conducted the interview in HK and SH recently.  
  But as you have siad, for professional MBA candidates from Top US Business Schools(allocated to PRC office), salary would be 10w USD/y(Global pay), that's why consulting firms attract so many business graduates.

[ 本帖最后由 dragon105 于 2006-1-9 17:35 编辑 ]

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