激动：columbia录取

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原帖由 hncsxj 于 2007-4-14 00:07 发表
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MA at NYU is a cash cow, ...

How can you say that? What's the evidence?
据我现在了解, 被这个NYU硕士项目录取的人,包括我本人,虽然基本上没什么超级牛人, 但是每个人都有自己的闪光点, 而且, 就算NYU这个项目真的不是很难进, 学校也不会傻到因为一个MA program让自己名誉扫地吧? 所以Cash Cow的说法在下实在不敢苟同, 除非这位仁兄举出一些真凭实据或统计数字来证明你的观点.

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原帖由 hncsxj 于 2007-4-14 00:07 发表
This is really a good program, much better than MA in econ at NYU.
MA at NYU is a cash cow, but this program is a serious program.
some of their graduate got very good position in industry, and ...

QMSS也是给ISERP挣钱的啊～
而且毕业生读的大多是牛校sociology的博，econ怕是不易吧
只是选课比较自由，可以根据个人需要好好设计课程吧～

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我前两周去了一次哥大，硕大的ISERP办公区间，只有2个人负责QMSS——一个director，一个coordinator。。。
很怀疑这个项目的真实水平，是不是只是借用了哥大的名气哦。
另外，毕竟开办没有几年，每届学生又少，从积攒人脉的角度看。。。

至于nyu，就算是cash cow，也并不就意味着不是大cow。
无cash，怎能从哥大成功挖来cow教授。。。

ps。我无意贬低任一学校和任一项目：）他们都好~

[ 本帖最后由 天青木子 于 2007-4-14 19:51 编辑 ]

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天青木子同学是俺们的卧底啊，呵呵呵~~~

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I agree that it is a big cow. After all, it is NYU.

However, it is really a cash cow. If you don't believe, see
http://www.econ.nyu.edu/graduate/ma/faq.html#1

1. Its students can go to Boston U, UC Davis and New School University for PhD ( of course they are good), but no students go to NYU its own PhD. Obviously, this program doesnot match NYU. On the other hand, say, MA in econ at Iowa State University, some of its master students went to PhD program better than NYU, and ISU is much lower than NYU. If we compare it with MA in Econ at UBC or even just west ontario, the conclusion is even more obvious.

2. NYU PhD program says, the professors and courses are totally different between its PhD and MA.

3. This is the so-called "special-tailed" program by NYU itself. Also, it is for students "in the non- academic world".

4. It says "we do not offer direct financial aid to MA students", implying cash is really a very important reason for this program

5. In the website of Columbia of MQSS, you can find the placement of its students, some of them went to wall street,  or top PhD. I believe that every econ students knows "the rule of full disclosure". If it does not say, it is reasonable to assume a bad placement.

Finally, As to 学校也不会傻到因为一个MA program让自己名誉扫地吧?
We know Cambrige in UK. Even Deng, yaping can pursure her PhD in Econ there.
Actually, a university, whether it is NYU, Columbia or Cambridge, it is only maximizing its profits: for a long run or a short run.

To sum up, Although MA in Econ @ NYU might be a good program, it does not match NYU's reputation at all. It is safe to draw the conclusion that this program is a CASH COW.

[ 本帖最后由 hncsxj 于 2007-4-15 10:27 编辑 ]

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Honestly speaking, for now that is the only way I could get admitted a top U.S. school, hoho~~~

Anyway, I think the law of supply and demand also governs the field of education, lots of professionals in NYCneed a master degree, and the Econ Dept. could really use that to cash in.     They got the cash and we got a degree from NYU, everyone is happy.

FYI: below is some info people need to know

1. "A rigorous preparatory degree for graduate programs elsewhere in the US
Our MA graduates have been admitted into PhD programs at Boston University, the University of Michigan, UC Davis and New School University.
Our students have also been admitted to law schools at Columbia University, Fordham University and the University of Illinois and public policy schools, such as the Maxwell School at Syracuse University."


So, BU and Michigan, Columbia and UIUC/UIC do not sound that bad...

2." How many students are admitted to the program?

We do not have a fixed target size for an incoming class. In Fall 2003, we received well over 250 applications and admitted over 60 students. In other years, we have had between 40 to 50 incoming students. "

So it seems that NYU is somewhat different from New Oriental School in BJ, they do not necessarily take checks from anyone.

So, it is a free market for education in U.S. and let's just call it a day, okay...hehe:)

[ 本帖最后由 ahlee 于 2007-4-15 11:21 编辑 ]

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1. Its students can go to Boston U, UC Davis and New School University for PhD ( of course they are good), but no students go to NYU its own PhD. Obviously, this program doesnot match NYU. On the other hand, say, MA in econ at Iowa State University, some of its master students went to PhD program better than NYU, and ISU is much lower than NYU. If we compare it with MA in Econ at UBC or even just west ontario, the conclusion is even more obvious.
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This comparison is based on unjustified assumption that EcoMA@NYU website and the websites of ISU, UBC, West Ontario U all display complete and exhausive lists of those who pursued PhD after graduation.  If the lists are merely selections, there is possibility that ISU or else intentional chooses the best PhD application outcomes of their students so as to make a big impression whereas NYU, which is "much higher", lists randomly.

2. NYU PhD program says, the professors and courses are totally different between its PhD and MA.
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I cannot see why this matters.  Besides, what is the basis of this argument?  I could only draw from what I read that NYU PhD and MA program have different course offerings and that MA does not necessarily lead to PhD.
("The two programs are run separately, and have different course offerings."
http://www.econ.nyu.edu/graduate/phd/faq.html
"In the master's program, our full-time faculty is supplemented by a distinguished team of executive faculty who combine first-rank training in economics (Ph.D.) with outstanding expertise in specific areas of applied economics."
http://www.econ.nyu.edu/graduate/ma.html
"Indeed, the best qualified master's students sometimes take one or more PhD-level courses within the Department of Economics as credit towards their M.A. degree." http://www.econ.nyu.edu/graduate/ma/faq.html#18 )

3. This is the so-called "special-tailed" program by NYU itself. Also, it is for students "in the non- academic world".
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This is exactly the point!  "This type of degree serves the needs for an advanced degree of professional economists, government officials and economic consultants."  Clearly non-academic.  I bet many students apply for MA rather than PhD since they find themselves not that interested in academia, for which reason NYU MA program is a great choice.

4. It says "we do not offer direct financial aid to MA students", implying cash is really a very important reason for this program
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I doubt whether such inference could be directly drawn.  There seems no direct link between "no direct financial aid" and "cash is important".

5. In the website of Columbia of MQSS, you can find the placement of its students, some of them went to wall street,  or top PhD. I believe that every econ students knows "the rule of full disclosure". If it does not say, it is reasonable to assume a bad placement.
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Ok, i am not econ student.  Anyhow, NYU MA website does not remain silence as to the placement although it is not as specif as QMSS@CU website.  "Graduates from the MA program currently hold jobs in a variety of fields in the New York area, including investment banking, brokerage, management consulting and the non-profit sector. Our graduates are employed in an impressive array of businesses: AIG, Goldman, Sachs & Company, Bear Stearns, Bloomberg, Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Smart Money Magazine, Time Magazine, Citicorp, the Royal Bank of Canada, Credit Suisse, Economy.Com and the IMF. "

Finally, As to 学校也不会傻到因为一个MA program让自己名誉扫地吧?
We know Cambrige in UK. Even Deng, yaping can pursure her PhD in Econ there.
Actually, a university, whether it is NYU, Columbia or Cambridge, it is only maximizing its profits: for a long run or a short run.
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Does the example of Ms. Deng add any value to the argument?  I wonder whether the auther implies Cambridge PhD program is infamous and how Ms. Deng attributed to such notoriety.

To sum up, Although MA in Econ @ NYU might be a good program, it does not match NYU's reputation at all. It is safe to draw the conclusion that this program is a CASH COW.
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Is Cash Cow and good program incompatible?  If yes, why?  If not, the conclusion is self-contradictory.

Just having fun =)

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天青木子MM太有才了~~~~:loveliness:
想必当年AW一定是6分吧，呵呵呵~~~

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I asked a NYU Econ Ph.D student and he told me that he was not so familar with their MA program because there was no interaction between NYU Econ MA and Ph.D program.  In his general view the Econ MA program did not worth so much tuition, if you want to pursue a Ph.D degree in the future.

The point is, NYU's Econ Ph.D program was not so good about several years ago(just rank 30-40,in my memory). Then it did have a MA Econ program, as many other "not so good" school did.
Since 2002 they started to do big hiring(like, Sargent) for the Econ Ph.D program and now their Ph.D program is almost among top 10. But this has nothing to do with its MA program.

Many applicants think NYU econ is great. Why? Location and reputation. If you go to NYU MA becasue of its location, no problem. If you choose NYU MA just because of its reputation. You'd better keep in mind that NYU econ MA was the production when NYU econ Ph.D ranked only 30-40. Don't mix the reputation of its Ph.D and MA program

[ 本帖最后由 scarlett2007 于 2007-4-15 19:19 编辑 ]

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agree with scarlett2007.

Econ MA@ NYU is a very good program, but not as good as you thought.

As to Non-academic program in econ, it does not have a good job market ( and it is the same even to phd), since it is too theoretical. If you want to get a good job, take MA in finace. Many courses are similiar, but imaster of finance gets a salary even higher than econ phd from the same level Universities.

As to 天青木子's argument, she falsely assumed that NYU lists its normal graduates rather than its best graduates, while all other universities did. However, in a business world, it is a common sense to show your best to the market.


^-^

[ 本帖最后由 hncsxj 于 2007-4-16 00:07 编辑 ]

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个人觉得hncsxj说的挺诚恳的，忠言逆耳。
关于邓亚萍，她读的是Land economics,我也很惊讶剑桥会要她（觉得她自己挺想不开，根本就不需要phd学历，master就足够了），因为她之前只读过诺丁汉大学的语言master，我在诺丁汉的时候还碰到过她几次，本来想打个招呼，人家连瞅都没瞅我，觉得挺傲慢的，当然以她的经历这完全可以理解。

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好强，是不是来这里准备gre作文来了。。。：）