CD EE 1000 被拒 大家帮忙看看

yawen2000UID: 2218254

我是退学加亲戚担保，简直遍体鳞伤。。。下面说说我签证的情况
约的早上10：30，差点10点到，11点左右进去，交材料给中秘，然后很神奇的事情发生了，我前面进去的n多人还在等，很快3号就叫到我的名字，于是慌忙上前，为拒签埋下伏笔。
Me: Good morning sir.
VO: Good morning. Left finger, right finger, thank you.
Me: That’s ok.
VO: Which university?
Me: XXX University. I will study the master’s degree in EE in XXX University.
VO: What is your undergraduate major?
Me: My undergraduate major is Electronic Information Engineering.
VO: How many universities did you apply?
Me: Totally six.
VO: And how many admitted you?
Me: Three.
VO: What are they?
Me: XXX, XXX, XXX
VO: Have you applied universities in China?
Me: No. (actually I was officially recommended to admission for graduate study in XXX University in China last year, I am now doing the first year of graduate study in XXX University. I thought that I didn’t apply, so I answered No)
VO: What will you do after graduation?
Me: After I get the master’s degree I will come back to China and find a job in big IT companies.
VO: IT? Information technology?
Me: Yes.
VO: Like what?
Me: Like huwei, lucent, NEC and so on.
VO: Why will you work in China? Why will you not find a job in the USA?
Me: Firstly because my family, my relatives and my best friends are all settled in China, they are solid foundation for my career and daily life, I cannot give them up. And if I work in large, international IT companies, what I can earn in China is comparable to what I can earn if I work in the USA, but the consumption level is much lower in China. So I can live well in China. So I will come back to China.
VO: Who will pay for your study?
Me: My uncle…. Oh, I have been given a scholarship of $7000/year.
VO: Yes. But there are still $25,000? (Pointed at the I-20)
Me: My uncle will pay for the rest.
VO: Why? Why is your uncle? Why not your parents?
Me: Because my parents are ordinary workers and it is difficult for them to support my study. My uncle has owned a corporation, he has the ability and he is willing to support me.
VO: Why is your uncle willing to support you? It is a large amount of money; I do not have an uncle who gives me $50,000.
Me: Because I am his nephew and he is willing to support me. My uncle has a corporation, it is not a big problem for him to support my study. He knows that I have paid great efforts in the process of applying the admission to graduate study in US. He supports me to pursue more advanced education and he encourages me to study hard. And my uncle himself has taken some foreign trips to Europe for the purpose of learning experiences of enterprise management and … ( intend to say that he knows the technology of developed countries is very worth learning for better development in China, but the VO interrupts me)
VO: What is your uncle do?
Me: He owns a corporation. He is the legal person of his corporation.
VO: Do you take the certificate of income?
Me: Yes, here you are. (the annual income is 850,000RMB) And this is the business license of his corporation and the certificate of legal person. (all are copies) And I have brought the verification report (审计报告) of his corporation in 2006, do you want to see? (showed to the VO through the glass)
VO: No. Do you take the certificate of deposit?
Me: Yes, here you are. (420,000RMB enough for two years)
VO: What is your parents’ income?
Me: I have brought the certificate of income of them. Here you are. (annual income is 18,000RMB and 21,600RMB respectively)
VO: House certificate?
Me: This is the house I am living in now with my parents. (showed to VO)
VO: Do your uncle have children?
Me: Yes, they are working in China.
VO: (printing on the computer) Will you work in your uncle’s corporation?
Me: No. Because my major does not match. His corporation mainly mines coals and sells coals, but my major is electrical engineering. My career goal is senior engineer.
VO: I do not believe you will find job in China. I cannot issue the visa this time.
Me: (despairing…) can you give me any suggestions?
VO: No, actually I cannot give you suggestion.
Me: Thank you.

Another situation is that a professor has allowed me to do research with him and give me $3000 in the first year, and he said that he is willing to increase the money if I perform well. But it is said in the Email, not in I-20. And I can transfer 9 credits in the second year if I get a B average in the first year. It will save me $9000. I do not refer to these to the VO because of nervous.
大家给点意见啊，我知道我硬伤太多，但是还是希望有奇迹，希望大家多多指教～感谢！

忧郁ShakaUID: 2123647

Me: After I get the master’s degree I will come back to China and find a job in big IT companies.
VO: IT? Information technology?
Me: Yes.
VO: Like what?
Me: Like huwei, lucent, NEC and so on.
VO: Why will you work in China? Why will you not find a job in the USA?--这个问题是以前我帮不少人模拟的时候经常故意问到的,很多人不屑这个问题,但是vo真的问了.看你以下的回答,我觉得不是很好.
Me: Firstly because my family, --你把家人在中国作为你会回来的主要原因,显然不能够说服vo.几乎每个中国学生的family都在中国,他们还是不回来.my relatives and my best friends are all settled in China, they are solid foundation for my career and daily life, I cannot give them up. And if I work in large, international IT companies, what I can earn in China is comparable to what I can earn if I work in the USA, but the consumption level is much lower in China. So I can live well in China. So I will come back to China. --这第2个理由也不是那么说得过去,中美的收入差距还是不小的.而且你也不一定就能进到large international IT company.


VO: Who will pay for your study?
Me: My uncle…. Oh, I have been given a scholarship of $7000/year.
VO: Yes. But there are still $25,000?--感觉vo觉得学费比较高了. (Pointed at the I-20)
Me: My uncle will pay for the rest.
VO: Why? Why is your uncle? Why not your parents?
Me: Because my parents are ordinary workers and it is difficult for them to support my study. My uncle has owned a corporation, he has the ability and he is willing to support me. --这个问题,我觉得it is not easy for them比difficult好点.然后你可以把下段话接在这里一起说,
VO: Why is your uncle willing to support you? It is a large amount of money; I do not have an uncle who gives me $50,000.
Me: Because I am his nephew and he is willing to support me. --废话一句.你这里可以适当强调你们关系很好,他愿意资助你去实现自己的梦想等,再说钱对他来说不是问题.My uncle has a corporation, it is not a big problem for him to support my study. He knows that I have paid great efforts in the process of applying the admission to graduate study in US. --这句话比较不必要.He supports me to pursue more advanced education and he encourages me to study hard. And my uncle himself has taken some foreign trips to Europe for the purpose of learning experiences of enterprise management and … ( intend to say that he knows the technology of developed countries is very worth learning for better development in China, but the VO interrupts me)

Another situation is that a professor has allowed me to do research with him and give me $3000 in the first year, and he said that he is willing to increase the money if I perform well. But it is said in the Email, not in I-20. And I can transfer 9 credits in the second year if I get a B average in the first year. It will save me $9000. I do not refer to these to the VO because of nervous. --这个你应该跟vo说的.不过下次作为change来说也可以.
大家给点意见啊，我知道我硬伤太多，但是还是希望有奇迹，希望大家多多指教～感谢！


我感觉就是:
1.你的归国计划不能说服他
2.uncle资助你的必要性不充分.

hylingUID: 2339281

希望2K 通过

zengm321UID: 173444

Like huwei, lucent, NEC and so on.  ????
你在国内读研出来进这些企业也不是难事，VO肯定不信了

yawen2000UID: 2218254

谢谢版主和大家的意见～我回答得的却很糟糕，而且我本身问题太多，他都记录了……2000一定得好好准备了！

soya1226UID: 2353430

归国计划像个老太太在说一样,family和relations是很次要的,因为你今后也会建立自己的家庭,应该放到最后说或者不说都可以.
中国的生活成本低...更像老太太...vo不会看重这一点的因为如果你赚的是美元的话生活质量也差不多

barrycui81UID: 2102722

我觉得你舅舅资助你的理由不充分，最好从你舅舅对你的喜爱来说，比方说你小时候你舅舅没有孩子舅拿你当儿子等等，祝你２ｋ成功。

剑鱼UID: 2176995

外国人的uncle就算不像harry potter的uncle那样估计也不会大方到掏50K送外甥上学

allan198376UID: 2349028

楼主在uncle资助上，可以适当加入一下你归国以后，能够挣到xxx的工资，所以偿还uncle的钱根本不是问题。最好不要说他是无偿资助你（老外根本不信这个，他们思维跟我们不一样的），而是你很容易还他钱，强调留学的投资回报率。

如果当初你说你uncle无儿无女，那么资助你就更reasonable一些了，呵呵。

LukakaUID: 174938

CD VO能不能nice一点嘛……

expire7UID: 2160574

觉得沙加把我能说都说了不能说的也说了。呵呵
family都说了不是strongtie了。说收入个人觉得还不如说加入中国的IT机会和发展前景。

lifei2006UID: 2349314

family不能说不是一个strong tie,但是只是一个消极证据，证明力还不够，需要举出更specific,更personal的证据来推翻美国法律所规定的移民倾向，签证官在整个过程中只是一个消极的裁判者，举证责任burden of proof在于个人，所以，理解了这点，就理解了签证的原则。

znenancyUID: 2178975

cd vo被人玩了，nice不起来啦

一挪一挪的UID: 197058

可以说VO考察真的很细致了。 回答问题有点像挤牙膏，不能一次到位。
成都今年的自费好像比较难。

说几个问题。

第一，未来是不能被证明的，只能去推理。因此大家的误区是把回国计划作为重点。而这恰恰是本末倒置了。 反而应该把包装你的背景放在重点。一个本科毕业生去美国攻读graduate program。那么的你的背景和未来的联系在哪里？ 为什么一定要去美国读书呢？ 关键问题在包装背景。

第二，从整体来看。你的回答和英语都可以说是不错的。但是VO的每一个问题和你的回答都是一个单独的部分。也就是说从整体上来没有感觉到你是在有意识的传递自己的整体形象。 我的建议是，在整个面试过程中要有意识的去传递这样一个形象： 我在国内是做这个专业的，在这个领域有自己独到的见解，因此对自己的未来有了一个计划，去美国攻读这个专业是有目的的去选择的，就是为了去实现现在对自己的未来的规划。

第三，资金问题。 资金是自费签证申请人考察的一个重点。比如说签证官问：what do you parents do? 这也是在考察资金。因此回答不能拘泥于问题，不要只回答父母的工作。而是要传递父母的收入是否可以cover自己的学费。对于资金问题每一次传递信息总结的重点都是要解决签证官的考察标准，即资金是否足够。


贴一个老签经了，供参考。这其实就是包装背景和经过有意识传递形象训练后的一个结果

VO: How are you?
ME: Fine, thanks. And you? Here is my card.
VO: Fine, thanks. Now tell me why do you want to America?
ME: Because I want to learn the advanced technologies of Industrial Engineering. （这里千万不能停，继续说自己的专业，机会难得）My major is Industrial and Manufacturing Systems Engineering, and my specialty is the application of industrial engineering to airport management system.
VO（似乎有点感兴趣）: airport management system?
ME（哇，机会来了，赶快补充）: Yes! For example, you might come across such situation: you take the 9am flight at Beijing airport, but it is delayed to 9:30 or even 10:00. With advanced airport management system, this situation might be avoided. This is what I focus on.
VO（听明白了）: Do you have the transcripts? I want to see if your major now is the same as that in ISU.
ME: Yes, sure. （开始拆成绩单，这里告诉大家一个窍门，按信封的长边撕容易撕开）Here you are.
VO: Thank you. （然后走开了，和一个金发的胖胖叔叔聊了一会，不知道为什么对我本科的成绩单那么感兴趣）
ME（机会来了，赶快翻开自己项目的图片，一会VO回来了）: You see, this is the picture of Beijing airport. I have taken part in the practical system development in Beijing Airport for about 3 years and accumulated a lot of working experiences. I find that there is great gap in the research of airport management system between China and America. So I want to learn the advanced technologies in America and apply them to China’s air traffic industry. （这里强调自己有工作经验我觉得很重要）
VO: As I know, the air traffic in America has a good future（大概是这个意思吧，听得不太清楚）, how can you convince me you will come back?
ME（回国计划？好啊，正中下怀）: I will come back to China. According to my current major background and practical experiences, going to America is an essential step and best way to achieve my career goal. And my career goal is to be the leading expert of China’s air traffic industry. You know, the air traffic transportation of China keeps increasing dramatically with 10% per year, according to this trend, in 5 years, most airports will be rebuilt or expanded. So when I come back to China, it is just the peak time of China’s air traffic development, the new international airports will be in operation and the advanced airport management systems will be urgently needed. （奇迹，VO虽然一直没有看我，但也没有打断，好继续）So I believe I will be the chief engineer of the big airports, such as Beijing, Guangzhou and Shanghai, with high reputation, high position and high income. All of these I will NEVER get in America. So I will DEFINITELY come back to China. （大写部分特别重音强调，这段话自己说得特别自信，也很坚定，这个很重要，要让VO感觉到你回国的信念）
VO（听我的话有共鸣了）: Yes, you are right. The Beijing airport is in a mess.
ME（哇，机会又来了）: Yes, you may have to wait for half hour or even over an hour. I try to solve these problems. （不失时机地补充ISU的情况）I find that ISU’s research is outstanding and their research areas perfectly match my major and my interests. So I choose this University to continue my PHD study.
VO（准备给我过了，开始撕条）: Let me think about it for a second.
ME（给我过吧，还想什么，赶快趁热打铁）: I will come back to China. My major has a promising future in China. I will be the chief engineer of this industry and I can set up my own career very easily.
VO: Where is your hometown?
ME: I come from Guangzhou. （这还没完，怎么也得和自己的专业和前景拉上点关系，有机会就说，没到最后一刻不能掉以轻心）You know, Guangzhou is building a new airport, So I believe I can find my position there.
VO（好，终于想明白了）: Look into my eyes. （除了提问的时候，这是他第一次长时间正视我的眼睛）
ME（这是什么意思？）: OK
VO: Raise you right hand, and promise that you will come back to China.
ME（好啊，我本来就准备回国的，当然没问题）: （异常坚定地看着VO） I WILL COME BACK TO CHINA!!
VO: Ok, go to window 10 to get your visa. Remember you promise me you will come back.
ME（先拿好绿条，放心了）: Yes, I will come back to China. （再次强调我的plan） I have my own career in China.
VO（很满意地）: Ok, see you.
ME; Thank you very much, sir. Have a nice day!
VO: You are welcome.
   以上就是签证全过程，总时间大概10分钟左右。VO没有问什么奇怪的问题，其实问我的问题都是非常常规的，语速稍快，而且麦克声音不够大，不过关键词还是都能听到的，最后问我哪里人的时候没听清，Pardon了一次，其他问题都很好懂。总结起来，有几个地方是值得注意的：
1、        前人都总结过了，自信非常重要。从签证开始的时候，就要注意自己的仪态。我自始至终都微笑地注视着VO，身体一直保持竖直，要让VO感到中国人也是有自己的骨气的。我们到美国去不过是为了学习先进的知识，毕业之后我们会回到中国，把祖国建设得更好！特别是在陈述回国计划的时候，要尽量大声而清晰，据说我的声音旁边两个窗口都听见了，要让VO觉得你回国的信念无比坚定！
2、        要抓紧一切机会陈述自己的背景和回国计划。VO很有可能不看你，但其实他们都在听着。我利用了一切可以说话的机会阐述自己的专业，自己的工作经验，自己对中美差距的认识，自己将来的回国计划，特别是专业、工作经验和回国计划，一定要传达给VO，让他觉得你这个人是professional的，是这个行业的expert，中国的发展前景是无比光明的，你有充足的理由回来。我在谈话中反复强调了我要回到中国，这个行业需要我，VO并没有打断，而且我能感觉到他在听，而且还在微微地点头，这样形势对我们就很有利了。
3、        要尽可能引起VO的认同感。VO默认你是有罪的。这样我们就要在尽可能短的时间内让他们了解并认同我们的专业。所以专业背景的选择非常重要。当我说到机场的时候，引起了VO的共鸣，说北京机场一团混乱，这是一个非常好的时机，为你下面说回国计划打下了很好的基础。VO觉得你这个专业在中国是很有应用前途的，他才会相信你学成之后回国。
4、        尽可能地准备充分的材料。虽然VO不一定会看，但准备材料一来可以深化自己对专业的认识，对中国现状和发展的了解，二来在签证的时候也能让VO感觉到你对这个行业的了解是很充分的，你的确是这个行业的专家。

yueeeeUID: 2263794

好贴, 很好的经验.