issue141 [0710G-summer小组]第七次作业by sanliangmm

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ISSUE141 - "Most people recognize the benefits of individuality, but the fact is that personal economic success requires conformity."

关于最后一个论述段，其实我觉得bill gates是一个很好的例子，但是被用滥了；写了个中国的改革开放，不过觉得例子和论点又不是太合；而且我觉得我第三各论述段的观点也好像有点问题；麻烦大家给我提个意见

[Outline]:有保留的否定
1.承认服从在建立一个和谐的市场环境是很重要的，但是对于经济成功实际上是一个相对定义，如果人们都采取一致的措施，都有相同的经济机会，就不存在成功与不成功之分
2．在遵守总体规则的前提下，就投资领域，实际上是有个性的人才能赚钱
3．在个人工作方面，个性实际上起着对人群进行优化选择，鼓励人们进一步获得成功的决定性作用
I agree with the speaker's broad assertion that personal economic success requires conformity. However, the speaker unnecessarily extends this broad assertion to embrace the conclusion that individuality is otherwise less significant, while ignoring certain compelling reasons why the efforts of individual are the controlling power for gaining economic success .My point of disagreement involve the nature and fundamental objectives of economic success.

I concede that the speaker is on the correct philosophical side of this issue. After all, conformity is the action or behavior in correspondent with current customs, rituals, or rules, without which will undoubtedly lead to instability and confusion in social as a whole--not to mention the economic realm. The conformity with given market rules or disciplines is the surest path to built up a harmonious economic circumstances, where people can earn correspondent profits due to their working. Yet, in the very notion of the economic success also lies my first point of contention with the speaker, who illogically presumes that the economic success is defined by the absolute amount of money one earns. To the contrary, the financial success should be identified as a relative concept. If everyone conform to the existed disciplines without distinct individuality and has the same opportunity to gain money, how we define a person as "successful" or "unsuccessful" in finance?

While we should obey the social marketing disciplines as a prerequisite, we must notice the fact that regarding the sort of economic success that results from investing one's wealth, those who seek risky investments in areas that are out of favor with the majority of investors ultimately reap higher return than those who follow the crowd. Conformists always invest along with the majority in the currently the most profitable and popular area. However, this field that the majority resort to will soon be saturate where the harsh competition  makes the investment unprofitable, While some nonconformists might explore a new area and profit tremendously where the pressure of competition is relatively puny. One apt illustration of this point involves the success of Henry Ford, the founder of Ford Company, who was a pioneer who discovered the great potential inherently underlying in the car industry. Prevailing over all the dissenting views, he, under the guide of individualism, succeeded in investing on the car industry which proved to be a great success afterward.

Turning to the sort of economic success that one achieves by way of one’s working, individuality is much more dominant in nurturing economic success by selecting elite form ordinary majority of people and by motivating people to pursue further accomplishments.The various economic conditions of different people who share the similar situation is just the reflection of the different individualities---steadiness, witness, further-sights, and what are just viewed as the several elements indispensable for one’s success no matter in what careers. The cases which could prove all of these can be found in the period of Chinese reformation and opening in 1980s’ when the policy in China government took the huge change including the attitude to the personal unit from prohibition to encouragement, the posture to conformity to the crowd from esteem to critically acceptance and otherwise. Grasping this opportunities, people with high individuality become outstanding and finally attain the economic success, which further encourage more populace to develop their own individual abilities to gain success in every fields. Those conformists, however, confused about what to conform to fail in competing with those nonconformists, and in long run achieved little.

To sum up, the speaker’s claim that personal economic success requires conformity begs the question when it comes to the definition of “economic success”. In the investment and career realm, the speaker neglect the fact that nonconformists with sufficient risk tolerance and patience are invariably the most successful investors in the long run, and individuality also plays a invaluable role in selecting outstanding people in majority and motivating further success.

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issue141 [0710G-summer小组]第七次作业by sanliangmm

ISSUE141 - "Most people recognize the benefits of individuality, but the fact is that
personal economic success requires conformity."
关于最后一个论述段，其实我觉得bill gates是一个很好的例子，但是被用滥了；写了个中国的改革开放，
不过觉得例子和论点又不是太合；而且我觉得我第三各论述段的观点也好像有点问题；麻烦大家给我提个意见
[Outline]:有保留的否定
1.承认服从在建立一个和谐的市场环境是很重要的，但是对于经济成功实际上是一个相对定义，如果人们
都采取一致的措施，都有相同的经济机会，就不存在成功与不成功之分
2．在遵守总体规则的前提下，就投资领域，实际上是有个性的人才能赚钱
3．在个人工作方面，个性实际上起着对人群进行优化选择，鼓励人们进一步获得成功的决定性作用

I agree with the speaker's broad assertion that personal economic success requires conformity.
However, the speaker unnecessarily extends this broad assertion to embrace the conclusion that
individuality is otherwise less significant, while ignoring certain compelling reasons why the
efforts of individual are the controlling power for gaining economic success .My point of
disagreement involve the nature and fundamental objectives of economic success.
I concede that the speaker is on the correct philosophical side of this issue. After all, conformity
is the action or behavior in correspondent with current customs, rituals, or rules, without which will
undoubtedly lead to instability and confusion in social as a whole--not to mention the economic realm.
The conformity with given market rules or disciplines is the surest path to built up a harmonious
economic circumstances, where people can earn correspondent profits due to their working. Yet, in
the very notion of the economic success also lies my first point of contention with the speaker,
who illogically presumes that the economic success is defined by the absolute amount of money one
earns. To the contrary, the financial success should be identified as a relative concept. If everyone
conform to the existed disciplines without distinct individuality and has the same opportunity to gain
money, how we define a person as "successful" or "unsuccessful" in finance?（这点写得有些牵强，我觉得
这段最好不要写个人，应该只写一致的好处）
While we should obey the social marketing disciplines as a prerequisite, we must notice the fact that
regarding the sort of economic success that results from investing one's wealth, those who seek risky
investments in areas that are out of favor with the majority of investors ultimately reap higher return
than those who follow the crowd. Conformists always invest along with the majority in the currently the
most profitable and popular area. However, this field that the majority resort to will soon be saturate
where the harsh competition  makes the investment unprofitable, While some nonconformists might explore
a new area and profit tremendously(可怕地, 非常地?) where the pressure of competition is relatively puny. One apt illustration
of this point involves the success of Henry Ford, the founder of Ford Company, who was a pioneer who
discovered the great potential inherently underlying in the car industry. Prevailing over all the dissenting
views, he, under the guide of individualism, succeeded in investing on the car industry which proved to
be a great success afterward. (我觉的这段的论题很好，突出了个性的重要性)
Turning to the sort of economic success that one achieves by way of one’s working, individuality is
much more dominant in nurturing economic success by selecting elite form ordinary majority of people
and by motivating people to pursue further accomplishments.The various economic conditions of different
people who share the similar situation is just the reflection of the different individualities---steadiness,
witness, further-sights, and what are just viewed as the several elements indispensable for one’s success
no matter in what careers. The cases which could prove all of these can be found in the period of Chinese
reformation and opening in 1980s’ when the policy in China government took the huge change including the
attitude to the personal unit from prohibition to encouragement, the posture to conformity to the crowd
from esteem to critically acceptance and otherwise. Grasping this opportunities, people with high individuality
become outstanding and finally attain the economic success, which further encourage more populace to develop
their own individual abilities to gain success in every fields. Those conformists, however, confused about
what to conform to fail in competing with those nonconformists, and in long run achieved little.
我觉得这段的事例似乎是在说有个性的人才能赚钱,和第二点重复了.其实第三点和第二点本生就有些重复.
To sum up, the speaker’s claim that personal economic success requires conformity begs the question when
it comes to the definition of “economic success”. In the investment and career realm, the speaker neglect
the fact that nonconformists with sufficient risk tolerance and patience are invariably the most successful
investors in the long run, and individuality also plays a invaluable role in selecting outstanding people in
majority and motivating further success.
我觉得作为Issue必须是正反论证,这篇文章似乎都在说individuality的好处,但没有较详细的说conformity的好处,用词还是像
以前一样好

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实际上我的态度是完全否定+一点点让步承认

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[Outline]:有保留的否定
1.承认服从在建立一个和谐的市场环境是很重要的，但是对于经济成功实际上是一个相对定义，如果人们都采取一致的措施，都有相同的经济机会，就不存在成功与不成功之分
2．在遵守总体规则的前提下，就投资领域，实际上是有个性的人才能赚钱
3．在个人工作方面，个性实际上起着对人群进行优化选择，鼓励人们进一步获得成功的决定性作用
I agree with the speaker's broad assertion that personal economic success requires conformity. However, the speaker unnecessarily extends this broad assertion to embrace the conclusion that individuality is otherwise less significant(我总是用第一反映词important), while ignoring certain compelling reasons why the efforts of individual are the controlling power for gaining economic success .My point of disagreement involve the nature and fundamental objectives of economic success.

I concede that the speaker is on the correct philosophical side of this issue. After all, conformity is the action or behavior in correspondent with current customs, rituals, or rules, without which will undoubtedly lead to instability and confusion in social as a whole--not to mention the economic realm. The conformity with given market rules or disciplines is the surest path to built up a harmonious economic circumstances, where people can earn correspondent profits due to their working. Yet, in the very notion of the economic success also lies my first point of contention with the speaker, who illogically presumes that the economic success is defined by the absolute amount of money one earns. To the contrary, the financial success should be identified as a relative concept. If everyone conform to the existed disciplines without distinct individuality and has the same opportunity to gain money, how we define a person as "successful" or "unsuccessful" in finance?(这一段看了六七遍，总感觉怪怪的，你最后对经济的成功与否倒底是怎样的定义)

While we should obey the social marketing disciplines as a prerequisite, we must notice the fact that regarding the sort of economic success that results from investing one's wealth, those who seek risky investments in areas that are out of favor with the majority of investors ultimately reap higher return than those who follow the crowd. Conformists always invest along with the majority in the currently the most profitable and popular area. However, this field that the majority resort to will soon be saturate where the harsh competition  makes the investment unprofitable, While some nonconformists might explore a new area and profit tremendously where the pressure of competition is relatively puny. One apt illustration of this point involves the success of Henry Ford, the founder of Ford Company, who was a pioneer who discovered the great potential inherently underlying in the car industry. Prevailing over all the dissenting views, he, under the guide of individualism, succeeded in investing on the car industry which proved to be a great success afterward.

Turning to the sort of economic success that one achieves by way of one’s working, individuality is much more dominant in nurturing economic success by selecting elite form ordinary majority of people and by motivating people to pursue further accomplishments.The various economic conditions of different people who share the similar situation is just the reflection of the different individualities---steadiness, witness, further-sights, and what are just viewed as the several elements indispensable for one’s success no matter in what careers. The cases which could prove all of these can be found in the period of Chinese reformation and opening in 1980s’ when the policy in China government took the huge change including the attitude to the personal unit from prohibition to encouragement, the posture to conformity to the crowd from esteem to critically acceptance and otherwise. Grasping this opportunities, people with high individuality become outstanding and finally attain the economic success, which further encourage more populace to develop their own individual abilities to gain success in every fields. Those conformists, however, confused about what to conform to fail in competing with those nonconformists, and in long run achieved little.(中国的例子还是尽量要少举，最好举欧美的例子)

To sum up, the speaker’s claim that personal economic success requires conformity begs the question when it comes to the definition of “economic success”. In the investment and career realm, the speaker neglect the fact that nonconformists with sufficient risk tolerance and patience are invariably the most successful investors in the long run, and individuality also plays a invaluable role in selecting outstanding people in majority and motivating further success.