issue36 [0806G-desperado小组]第一次作业by 绿松石

绿松石UID: 2427549

ISSUE36"The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries."

[Outline]: 1.承认一定程度上个人的伟大是由后人决定的，有很多原因制约同时代的人做出正确的判断；同时也认为同时代的人也能正确判断个人的伟大

               2.指出历史上有很多伟人不为同时代的人所接受，这种现象存在其理由

       3.同时伟大的定义具有含糊性，有的成果需要时间来考验
               4.不可忽视，也有不少同时代的人能认识到个人的伟大，有的还对其进行资助

The evaluation of the greatness of individuals should be defined as, in some sense, one's contributions to his society, his community or so. Since most of the time the contribution is not that easy to be acquired even hard to be perceived within a short period, there is the notion that the greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries. While I agree that the greatness of a person, to a certain degree, can be valued by his later ages and there should be lots of reasons that impede the correct judgment for great individuals by their comtemporaries, at the same time their contemporaries still have the right and correspondent worthwhile ideas to judge their achievements.

Retrospect humans' history, there are lots of scientists, artists and physicists who were not acknowledged by the fellow countryman. Their ideas were seldom accepted by the relative fields, if there were, it must not be the new and top-notch ideas but something that didn't transgress the will of the government or the social situation at that time. For example, Copernics, Bruno, Darwin and so on, none of them were recognized by the authority field immediately, they experience the most unimaginable hard test in their life not the test from the formal and objective academic angle but the one that related to the doubt, suspect and untrusting. Sometimes, for the public, the contemporaries are not intend to accept the new ideas which may destroy or just alter their existing operating social system or the long standing principles lie in their heart, they are reluctant to accept the cut edging emerging things since they believe it is a kind of substance to make the whole society into a chaos. For the higher classes who are sitting stably on the seat of power will be very cautious to censor or prevent any kind of activities, new laws that may shake their already grasped authorities. This is one of the reasons that some people believe the greatness of individuals cannot be judged by their contemporaries.

And another reason should lie in the definition of greatness itself and people's attitude toward this notion. It is hard to give a fasten or unanimous definition to a certain achievement of an individual to the whole society, some research brought breakthrough to a complicated problem at the same time it may raise some new troubles in that field; some research is aimed at the long run profits in the future cannot benefit its people at the moment; some achievements need a long-termed test to prove its feasibility. I think the last one have always been a crucial point that delay the recognition of the greatest person who may not lucky enough to live to the day that his accomplishments was completely accepted by the public. For instance, some paintings of Van Gogh were not regarded as valuable and priceless until century's later after his death.

However, there do exist lots of examples that the contemporaries hold the correct and valuable recognition of the would-be greatest people at their time. Newton, Sir Isaac, one of the foremost scientific intellects of all time, had been wildly accepted before his middle age as the most highly esteemed natural philosopher in Europe; all of the world witnessed the strong will and adequate policy of President F. D. Roosevelt during World War II; and no one today could refuse to confess the greatness of Bill Gate with his Microsoft empire. Evenmore, some contemporaries support the would-be greatest people to further accomplishments: Through his patronage, the Pope supported Michelangelo's great artistic works, while the monarchs of Europe immediately recognized Mozart's greatness by granting him their most generous commissions.

No matter it is contemporaries or the later generations, one thing should be sure, there are too much standard to evaluate the contribution of an individual to the society and too many criteria to define the greatness of a person, so we should keep a sober mind to give them the correct judgment and all this should be based on fairness, just and opening mind. Only by this way, humans' brilliant civilization can be successfully continued.

[ 本帖最后由 绿松石 于 2007-12-7 14:22 编辑 ]

wangyu0920UID: 199396

原帖由 绿松石 于 2007-12-7 14:21 发表
ISSUE36"The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries."
: 1.承认一定程度上个人的伟大是由后人决定的，有很多原因制约同时代的人 ...

The evaluation of the greatness of individuals should be defined as, in some sense, one's contributions to his society, his community or so. Since most of the time the contribution is not that easy to be acquired even hard to be perceived within a short period, there is the notion that the greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries. (很欣赏这一段，给出了判断标准，并以此为基础说明了原因)While I agree that the greatness of a person, to a certain degree（in a certain view?）, can be valued by his later ages and there should be lots of reasons that impede the correct judgment for great individuals by their comtemporaries, at the same time their contemporaries still have the right and correspondent（这个词怎么理解？） worthwhile ideas to judge their achievements.

Retrospect humans' history, there are lots of scientists, artists and physicists（scientists和physicists似乎有点儿并列不当？） who were not acknowledged by the fellow countryman. Their ideas were seldom accepted by the relative fields, if there were, it must not be the new and top-notch ideas but something that didn't transgress the will of the government or the social situation at that time. For example, Copernics, Bruno, Darwin and so on, none of them were recognized by the authority field immediately, they experienced the most unimaginable hard test in their life not the test from the formal and objective academic angle but the one that related to the doubt, suspect and untrusting. Sometimes, for the public, the contemporaries are not intend to accept the new ideas which may destroy or just alter their existing operating social system or the long standing principles lie in their heart, they are reluctant to accept the cut edging(cutting edge?) emerging things since they believe it is a kind of substance to make the whole society into a chaos. For the higher classes who are sitting stably on the seat of power will be very cautious to censor or prevent any kind of activities, new laws that may shake their already grasped authorities(感觉有点儿怪，但不知道该怎么说，existing authorities?). This is one of the reasons that some people believe the greatness of individuals cannot be judged by their contemporaries.

And another reason should lie in the definition of greatness itself and people's attitude toward this notion. It is hard to give a fasten or unanimous definition to a certain achievement of an individual to the whole society, some research brought breakthrough to a complicated problem at the same time it may raise some new troubles in that field; some research is aimed at the long run profits in the future cannot benefit its people at the moment; some achievements need a long-termed test to prove its feasibility. (偶觉得这段排比很精彩)I think the last one have always been a crucial point that delay the recognition of the greatest person who may not be lucky enough to live to the day that his accomplishments was completely accepted by the public. For instance, some paintings of Van Gogh were not regarded as valuable and priceless until century's later after his death.

However, there do exist lots of examples that the contemporaries hold the correct and valuable recognition of the would-be greatest people at their time. Newton, Sir Isaac, one of the foremost scientific intellects of all time, had been wildly accepted before his middle age as the most highly esteemed natural philosopher in Europe; all of the world witnessed the strong will and adequate policy of President F. D. Roosevelt during World War II; and no one today could refuse to confess the greatness of Bill Gate with his Microsoft empire. Evenmore, some contemporaries support the would-be greatest people to further accomplishments: Through his patronage, the Pope supported Michelangelo's great artistic works, while the monarchs of Europe immediately recognized Mozart's greatness by granting him their most generous commissions.（Michelangelo和Mozart的例子我觉得有点多余，Pope和monarch能否代表contemporaries?即使能，论证当代人的肯定可以进一步促进成功似乎有点儿画蛇添足？个人看法，仅供参考哈）

No matter it is contemporaries or the later generations, one thing should be sure, there are too much standards to evaluate the contribution of an individual to the society and too many criteria(criterion?) to define the greatness of a person, so we should keep a sober mind to give them the correct judgment and all this should be based on fairness, just(justice) and opening mind. Only by this way, humans' brilliant civilization can be successfully continued

总体来说，写得真好啊，深入分析了当代人不能评价的原因，例子涉及也很广，我觉得比我写得深刻许多。

gaojiehahaUID: 2149729

拜读完，写的真的很好，尤其是body的论证。特别欣赏第一个body。羡慕:rolleyes:
我就是怎么也不会展开论证，伤脑筋。词汇好像也很贫乏
有没有什么好的经验呢:call:

[ 本帖最后由 gaojiehaha 于 2007-12-9 04:55 编辑 ]

绿松石UID: 2427549

词汇的话就是平时多注意点把小词换成大词，遇到好的词就抄下来
论证的话还是得自己多想多考虑，有话说了以后就是怎么把话给说圆了

hdofrucUID: 2434623

因为先看了坐照的修改，所以这里我就不做同样的修改了，只指出不同的
The evaluation of the greatness of individuals should be defined as, in some sense, one's contributions to his society, his community or so（or so是大约的意思，用在这里？）. Since most of the time the contribution is not that easy to be acquired even hard to be perceived within a short period,（这个是不是有点牵强？因为贡献短期内难获得，所以有...的概念，或者是不是把acquired换成 admitted） there is the notion that the greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries. While I agree that the greatness of a person, to a certain degree, can be valued by his later ages and there should be lots of reasons that impede the correct judgment for great individuals by their contemporaries, at the same time their contemporaries still have the right and correspondent(?) worthwhile ideas to judge their achievements.

Retrospect humans' history, there are lots of scientists, artists and physicists who were not acknowledged by the fellow countryman(这个会不会有跑题嫌疑？没加时间性可能不太好). Their ideas were seldom accepted by the relative fields, if there were, it must not be the new and top-notch ideas but something that didn't transgress the will of the government or the social situation at that time. For example, Copernics, Bruno, Darwin and so on, none of them were recognized by the authority field immediately, they experience the most unimaginable hard test in their life not the test from the formal and objective academic angle but the one that related to the doubt, suspect and untrusting. Sometimes, for the public, the contemporaries are not intend to accept the new ideas which may destroy or just alter their existing operating social system or the long standing principles lie in their heart, they are reluctant to accept the cut edging emerging things since they believe it is a kind of substance to make the whole society into a chaos. For the higher classes who are sitting stably on the seat of power will be very cautious to censor or prevent any kind of activities, new laws that may shake their already grasped authorities. This is one of the reasons that some people believe the greatness of individuals cannot be judged by their contemporaries.

And another reason should lie in the definition of greatness itself and people's attitude toward this notion. It is hard to give a fasten or unanimous definition to a certain achievement of an individual to the whole society, some research brought breakthrough to a complicated problem at the same time it may raise some new troubles in that field; some research is aimed at the long run profits in the future cannot benefit its people at the moment; some achievements need a long-termed test to prove its feasibility.（再赞排比） I think the last one have always been a crucial point that delay the recognition of the greatest person who may not lucky enough to live to the day that his accomplishments was completely accepted by the public. For instance, some paintings of Van Gogh were not regarded as valuable and priceless until century's later after his death.

However, there do（does） exist lots of examples that the contemporaries hold the correct and valuable recognition of the would-be greatest people at their time. Newton, Sir Isaac, one of the foremost scientific intellects of all time（这个从句不太懂）, had been wildly accepted before his middle age as the most highly esteemed natural philosopher in Europe; all of the world witnessed the strong will and adequate policy of President F. D. Roosevelt during World War II; and no one today（nowadays） could refuse to confess the greatness of Bill Gate with his Microsoft empire.（伟大的应该是微软带给世界的技术革新，而不是微软公司，我觉得） Even more, some contemporaries support the would-be greatest people to further accomplishments: Through his patronage, the Pope supported Michelangelo's great artistic works, while the monarchs of Europe immediately recognized Mozart's greatness by granting him their most generous commissions. （也是坐照的意见，罗马教皇不见得就是当代人的代表）

No matter it is contemporaries or the later generations, one thing should be sure（one thing is true）, there are too much standard to evaluate the contribution of an individual to the society and too many criteria to define the greatness of a person, so we should keep a sober mind to give them the correct judgment and all this should be based on fairness, justice and opening mind. Only by this way, humans' brilliant civilization can be successfully continued.

gaojiehahaUID: 2149729

原帖由 绿松石 于 2007-12-9 10:23 发表
词汇的话就是平时多注意点把小词换成大词，遇到好的词就抄下来
论证的话还是得自己多想多考虑，有话说了以后就是怎么把话给说圆了

多谢!:handshake ;)