Issue36【0806G desperado小组】第一次作业by坐照

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TOPIC: ISSUE36 - "The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries."
WORDS: 469          DATE: 2007-12-7 22:24:30

观点：有些领域个人的成功需要后代人来评价，但在一些其他领域并不需要这么长的时间
1．艺术或文学领域的伟大人物常常在阴郁中死去。举梵高的例子。
2．在一些判断标准很简单明确的领域，成功不需要后代人来评价。
   商业：赚钱的多少是很明显的标准，比如盖茨
   体育：是否赢得冠军是很明显的标准，比如卡尔.刘易斯和乔丹
3．总之，因为没有唯一的判断成功与否的标准，因此不能一概断定是否需要后人评价。

What are the sufficient conditions to evaluate a person either contemporary or afterward? Can the greatness of individuals be only decided by those who live after them? Admittedly, in some areas, especially the arts, it always took decades or even centuries for people to realize the true great value of individuals. Yet, in my view, in some other areas, such a long history is not needed.

One example that supports the author's assertion is that many great figures died in obscurity in the field of art and literature. Vincent Van Gogh, the great Dutch painter whose influence on the outcome of art has been amazing and overwhelming sold only one painting in his life. Van Gogh's paintings that represent the people's real innermost feelings had not been recognized even after his death because few people understood the artistic conception of his paintings at that time. It was not until the twentieth century did his paintings prove to be success, which is not in his lifetime.

However, I concede the speaker is correct on limit areas. While focus on the art, at the same time we should pay attention to some achievements that is easy to recognizable. For example, in the realm of business, a common standard to judge whether a businessman is successful or not is the possession he owns. Whereas the argument that Microsoft's monopoly could be unfavorable to the development of software industry, there is no doubt that Bill Gates, as the richest man in the world, is recognized as a great businessman.

In addition, similar to the businessman, athletes are easy to be recognized as well. Carl Lewis, who won nine gold medals in the Olympic Games is considered to be one of the greatest athlete in the twentieth century. Even though he is no longer young enough to run as fast as before, all his achievements would be memorized by the whole world the moment he crossed the finishing line first. Besides, the basketball fans all over the world would never forget the last shot that won Michael Jordan the sixth NBA champion when he was at the age of 35. And I am sure that his fourteen years' excellent career life had already kept his greatness everlasting in the contemporary fans' minds.

To sum up, since there is no single standard that can be in common use to evaluate the greatness of individuals, we should not assert all the achievements can be decided by contemporaries or not. Obviously, all the cases leads to a sound conclusion that for some people whose work is hardly to be understood by others in his lifetime,  the followings would give their comment. While some other people would enjoy the greatness of their own when they are alive because there are clear evidences to convince the others to recognize their success.

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What are the sufficient conditions to evaluate a person either contemporary or afterward? Can the greatness of individuals be only decided by those who live after them? Admittedly, in some areas, especially the arts, it always took decades or even centuries for people to realize the true great value of individuals. Yet, in my view, in some other areas, such a long history is not needed.

One example that supports the author's assertion is that many great figures died in obscurity in the field of art and literature. Vincent Van Gogh, the great Dutch painter whose influence on the outcome of art has been amazing and overwhelming sold only one painting in his life. Van Gogh's paintings that represent the people's real innermost feelings （这个有依据的对吧？）had not been recognized even after his death because few people understood the artistic conception of his paintings at that time. It was not until the twentieth century did his paintings prove to be success, which is not in his lifetime（这里改成多少多少年以后这样是不是更强调一点）.

However, I concede the speaker is correct on limit areas. While focus on the art, at the same time（前面有while了，这个就不用了吧？）we should pay attention to some（those） achievements that is（are） easy to recognizable（动词）. For example, in the realm of business, a common standard to judge whether a businessman is successful or not is the possession he owns. Whereas the argument that Microsoft's monopoly could be unfavorable to the development of software industry, there is no doubt that Bill Gates, as the richest man in the world, is recognized as a great businessman.（这一段钱赚的多就是成功商人没错，但是不是跟题目的“伟人”之间有概念区别？万一这个商人是个钱很多但干过很多坏事还一毛不拔的奸商呢？ 个人意见哈）

In addition, similar to the businessman, athletes are easy to be recognized（是不是可以换个词了？） as well. Carl Lewis, who won nine gold medals in the Olympic Games is considered to be one of the greatest athlete in the twentieth century. Even though he is no longer young enough to run as fast as before, all his achievements would be memorized by the whole world the moment he crossed the finishing line first.（这句好） Besides, the basketball fans all over the world would never forget the last shot that won Michael Jordan the sixth NBA champion when he was at the age of 35. And I am sure that his fourteen years' excellent career life had already kept his greatness everlasting in the contemporary fans' minds. （乔丹除了球打的好还有其他比如公益活动之类的么？我觉得加进去的话更能切合greatness）

To sum up, since there is no single standard（这两词连一起有专属义，建议改成common standard or unitive standard） that can be in common use(used) to evaluate the greatness of individuals, we should not assert all the achievements can be decided by contemporaries or not. Obviously, all the cases leads to a sound conclusion that for some people whose work is hardly to be understood by others in his lifetime,  the followings would give their comment. While some other people would enjoy the greatness of their own when they are alive because there are clear evidences to convince the others to recognize their success.


总的来说，个人感觉框架不错，但如果greatness隐含狭义的伟大的意思的话，那可能例子需要加强一下（综合北美范文上的范文，可能我的理解有误，因此踢出来探讨）。

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What are the sufficient conditions to evaluate a person either contemporary（contemporarily） or afterward? Can the greatness of individuals be only decided by those who live after them? Admittedly, in some areas, especially the arts, it always took decades or even centuries for people to realize the true great value of individuals. Yet, in my view, in some other areas, such a long history（long time evaluation比较好吧） is not needed.

One example that supports the author's assertion is that many great figures died in obscurity in the field of art and literature.(有点像argu的句子少用吧，把author’s assertion改成 my opinion可能会好点)Vincent Van Gogh, the great Dutch painter whose influence on the outcome of art has been amazing and overwhelmingsold only one painting in his life. Van Gogh's paintings that represent the people's real innermost feelings had not been recognized even after his death because few people understood the artistic conception of his paintings at that time. It was not until the twentieth century did his paintings prove to be success, which is not in his lifetime. （举了个很好的例子，最后的倒装也非常赞，不过能多分析一下就更深入透彻了）

However, I concede the speaker is correct on limit areas（用的很怪）. While focus on the art, at the same time we should pay attention to some achievements that is easy to recognizable. For example, in the realm of business, a common standard to judge whether a businessman is successful or not is the possession he owns. Whereas the argument that Microsoft's monopoly could be unfavorable to the development of software industry, there is no doubt that Bill Gates, as the richest man in the world, is recognized as a great businessman.

In addition, similar to the businessman, athletes are easy to be recognized as well. Carl Lewis, who won nine gold medals in the Olympic Games is considered to be one of the greatest athlete in the twentieth century. Even though he is no longer young enough to run as fast as before, all his achievements would be memorized by the whole world the moment he crossed the finishing line first. Besides, the basketball fans all over the world would never forget the last shot that won Michael Jordan the sixth NBA champion when he was at the age of 35. And I am sure that his fourteen years' excellent career life had already kept his greatness everlasting in the contemporary fans' minds. （折两段观点很新鲜，确实在有的领域伟大只能由同时代的人来判定，商业，还有运动员，我就没想到这个）

To sum up, since there is no single standard that can be in common use to evaluate the greatness of individuals, we should not assert all the achievements can be decided by contemporaries or not. Obviously, all the cases leads to a sound conclusion that for some people whose work is hardly to be understood by others in his lifetime,  the followings would give their comment. While some other people would enjoy the greatness of their own when they are alive because there are clear evidences to convince the others to recognize their success.

我觉得写的很好啊，例子丰富，观点清楚，如果在例子的同时再深入分析一下更能起到画龙点睛的作用，就perfect了
至于greatness的定义，我觉得商业上，事业上的成功也可以算是Greatness，算是一个广义定义吧，细挖一下也可以表示成greatness in dealing with buisiness等等，我就觉得这里greatness并不一定要代表人道主义的伟大，而是一种成就

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