0910AW SPECTACULAR之【同主题写作】第四期ISSUE144 艺术家和批评家间的爱恨情仇

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艺术家和批评家间的爱恨情仇
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ISSUE143 & 144 艺术类双子星

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这次的同主题是ISSUE144&143。建议大家写144全文，并且列出143细致提纲。

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前言：

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ISSUE144 高频第13位 必写

ISSUE143 作为其双子星 虽然不属于高频 但是在帮助大家区分题目的时候 很有价值 建议很好的思考

关于高频，请看：

全国历年机经总排名整理 修订版，专为【SPECTACULAR】调整

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深挖洞，广积粮，这次搞定，艺术类的两大高频。同时建议各组通过brainstorming解决掉艺术类相关题目，并且组织自己的ideas pool以及material pool

关于素材收集，请看：

【ISSUE--introspect into our own minds】 about examples

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这组对刚刚入手的同学尤其适用，从相对简单，材料比较多的I入手解决问题

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橙色的字都是从irvine666那里借来的brainstorming，谢66鼎力相助

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143

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"Artists should pay little attention to their critics.* Criticism tends to undermine and constrain the artist's creativity."

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*those who evaluate works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.
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144

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"It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value."

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*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc

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授人以渔

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在这里为了不提前束缚住大家的思路，我不提供任何已经成型的提纲，也不进行过多深入的分析，只是进行一般性的如题点拨

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因为说到底，ISSUE是一个自我激发的过程，进行brainstorming，激发自己的灵感

然后做成一文

要记住，这篇文章是代表你的，你要通过一篇文章，给一个从来不认识你的读者，呈现出你的逻辑体系架构和写作基础

这也就是AW要我们展示的

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stop blahing~

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对143

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架构提取：

【主动】 Artists

【动作】 pay little attention

【被动】 critics ——character：undermine & constrain ——negative

【should、their】

should，艺术家为什么应当忽略？有什么符合常识的理由去让我们赞同这个should？如果说我们把后半句看成解释的话，那么这样一个简单的解释能够有效的支持should么？ 此外还有一个限定性的词语:their，那么是否应当忽略对自己的批评反之研究对别人的批评意见呢？这些东西都是很值得思考的问题。

那么我们能否把criticism trends和artist's creativity抽象出来看看呢？比如说我的看法就是criticism一般代表了符合popular common sense的东西，而artist's creativity就是代表了符合individual interests的东西，那么这样这个后半句话就可以从本质上归结为：个人兴趣与大众常识之间的矛盾。当然如果某人的看法是criticism代表了符合authority的东西，那么后半句话可以本质归结为：权威和大众之间的矛盾。关键词的定义不同，问题的本质就会不一样。

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对144

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架构提取：

【主动】artist or critic（evaluates works of art——neutral）

【介质】something of lasting value

【被动】society

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先说lasting:比较好的思路启发同样是对关键词的定义，如果我们定义lasting为：揭示或反映了社会趋势或者客观真理的，那么artist和critic的根本矛盾便存在于我提到过的两者的时间性差异上。而如果我们定义为:属于人民大众的，才是长久的，那么artist和critic的根本矛盾便转成了个体与群体观点的差异性。所以可以看出定义的不同，才是自由思维的基础
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以前几乎所有的同主题，上来就先查WM,把关键词的定义从理性上直接卡死了，自然思考的不多，其实同样的词汇，从感性上理解，区别就很多，才能写的多样化，而且，绝不会偏题。

感性的定义，一般来说是不符合common sense的，一定要专门花一段话：一般来说第二段解释一下才行

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双子星相互提示：
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1、分析Artists 和 critics 关系的时候，务必要想到society 和something of value
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2、143中critics 是负作用，144为中性，这个很关键，一定要在脑子里有印象
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3、works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc，要扩展思路，广泛 取材

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深度剖析思路提供：（呵呵，从66那里借来的，谢谢啦）
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其实这两个题目，一个是从个体的角度入手，一个是从社会群体的角度入手
irvine666 发表于 2009-3-11 QQ聊天中

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我觉得草木你不如分析一些个体，和群体之间的差异和共性
irvine666 发表于 2009-3-11 QQ聊天中

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143更关注a和c相互，144更关注a、c对于社会群体，这是一个审题的关键点，也是写作时候的一个区别重点所在
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个体与个体之间，可以通过一个心理学的某些模型，进行分析，这样，深度自然就出现了，但是不要过分追究于某些个例
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上升到社会，即可用哲学模型进行面向insight的深度分析，同时，相比较于个体而言，还可以做一下foresight的分析
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此外还有个人价值和永恒社会价值的差异，准确的说就是时间差异，popular和eternal
irvine666 发表于 2009-3-11 QQ聊天中

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这里就是一个时间层面的展望，将时间轴拉开之后，我们就可以把很关键的一个popular与eternal的混淆划开，但是又有了一个问题，随着时间轴的延长，现在被定位在eternal的事物，会怎样呢？？
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还有个性发展（艺术家本身的creativity）和社会约束(评论家的讨论)之间的关系，也可以讨论一下的
irvine666 发表于 2009-3-11 QQ聊天中

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艺术家的qualities，呵呵，这里留下一些问题：
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艺术家什么quality最重要？为什么？缺乏之后会如何？
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critic影响于其什么？为什么？如何做到？又到了何种程度？
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社会影响于其什么？为什么？如何做到？又到了何种程度？
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大家开动自己的思路开始头脑风暴吧

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可以找别人一起来讨论

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因为讨论的时候，灵感是很多的

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建议可以用brainstorming（即时辩论）的方式

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追星剑特训 For ISSUE [索引]

https://bbs.gter.net/thread-203735-1-1.html

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帖子索引区：

https://bbs.gter.net/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=606&filter=type&typeid=50
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[追星剑特训] Chapter2.5 Arts 艺术

https://bbs.gter.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=207026&extra=page%3D1%26amp%3Bfilter%3Dtype%26amp%3Btypeid%3 D50
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精彩链接
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143"Artists should pay little attention to their critics.* Criticism tends to undermine and constrain the artist's creativity."
*those who evaluate works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.
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0606G同主题写作第十六期——issue143
https://bbs.gter.net/redirect.php?fid=606&tid=435474&goto=nextnewset

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话题资料摘抄
https://bbs.gter.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=898952&extra=&page=1
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144"It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value."
*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.
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0610G同主题写作第一期
https://bbs.gter.net/archiver/tid-491556-page-4.html

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木耳修改
https://bbs.gter.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=158491

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0706G同主题写作第九期——Issue144
https://bbs.gter.net/thread-622910-1-1.html

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使徒修改
https://bbs.gter.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=712807&pid=1770632677&page=1&extra=page%3D3

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使徒修改
https://bbs.gter.net/archiver/tid-630730. html

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关于素材，这次的题目，我推荐大家看一下以下几个：

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里面有The All-TIME 100 Albums
http://www.time.com/time/2006/100albums/index.html

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The All-TIME 100 Moives
http://www.time.com/time/2005/100movies/

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The All-TIME 100 Novels
http://www.time.com/time/2005/100books/

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The 100 Best TV Shows of All-TIME
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1651341_1659188,00.html

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http://www.wikipedia.org/（有的学校内网可能上不了）

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等等 还有很多，都是很fit艺术类的资源
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希望大家能集思广益，每人都做三或四个自己喜欢的例子采集，然后拿到一起讨论

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本次同主题互改规则：

这次我没有对这两个题目用审题20问做分析，是希望大家可以做一下
对于本次提交作业的时候，请在自己的楼层中，列出三样东西：
1、ISSUE144的全文链接
2、ISSUE144和143的提纲
3、ISSUE144和143的审题20问以及相应回答

凡在此帖参加同主题的版友，习作贴的统一格式为：
0910AW 同主题写作第四期 ISSUE144 by xxx
在版面发完习作之后，来本贴发布一下自己的习作链接
本贴互改顺序为：前一个改后一个（只包括作业链接楼层） 在汇总楼里将进行统计和读错
针对于第一个参与的同学没有人改，我将会亲自去改
同时，为了刺激人气，我还会对本帖中完成以上三条最好的一位同学的作文给予修改点评，截止到6月15日，
其余链接 大家互改
对于最后的一个链接 稍后公布修改办法

暂定如上 一会儿来补充

草木也知愁UID: 2487572

汇总喽

银落UID: 2632560

早起果然是对的。。占楼发文。。。
https://bbs.gter.net/thread-960693-1-1.html
提纲和20问稍后奉上。。。
激动~。。占了第一个。。。话说。。。。待会上完课让我把文章修改修改好。。。》《
MS草木用了女生的头像？。。。。难道承认自己是女儿身了吗？？。。。我原来一直相信是男生的说。。。

银落UID: 2632560

呼。。。还是在上课前花了一个多小时把文章给改好了。。。竟然只有四段。。。似乎有点少额。。。头尾。。。正反两方面。。。然后结尾。。。似乎。。。太什么了一点。。。
没看草木的分析和推荐文章。。。直接按自己思路写的。。。怕看了就被引导过去了。。。想写完了再去看。。。
对了。。。请教草木。。。文章的标点符号应该如何正确甚至巧妙地应用呢。。。一直对这个问题很没有办法。。。但我知道如果用得好。。文章会增色很多。。

草木也知愁UID: 2487572

正确的话 比较好说 想要巧妙的话 我倒是也有些心得

看最近的精力了  要是差不多的话  我最近写一下吧

银落UID: 2632560

恩。。。等待草木写~。。

dacongfanUID: 2644717

143的提纲和两篇的20问随后附上，呵呵，这次比较早啊
我的第四期链接
https://bbs.gter.net/viewthread.php?tid=961538&extra=

gig927UID: 2556746

个体与个体之间，可以通过一个心理学的某些模型，进行分析，这样，深度自然就出现了，但是不要过分追究于某些个例
上升到社会，即可用哲学模型进行面向insight的深度分析，同时，相比较于个体而言，还可以做一下foresight的分析

心理学模型和哲学模型是指什么？

ddcmj斑斑解释说心理学模型是指马斯洛需求模型（这里用这个怎么解释？不明白，而且马斯洛不是经济学上提出来的需求五层次吗？）哲学模型是指相互利益关系之类的？（这里我也不明白）


望草木斑斑能解惑~不胜感激:loveliness:

greenxsUID: 2529289

143提纲

平衡观点，Artistes 应该平衡的看待这个问题
1有的时候，critics是有作用的，帮助大家理解artist的作品
2 有的时候是起到破坏作用的，影响了artist的发展
3 artist应该做到不要被评论家所影响，尽力的展示自己。

144   https://bbs.gter.net/viewthread.php?tid=963534&extra=

StefanaUID: 2143510

哎呀，艺术家，我最喜欢这两个题了。占个楼，20问我来试试。
1.What does “artist” mean? What does “lasting” mean? What does “value“ mean?
artist--1. a person who produces works of art such as paintings or sculpture 2. a person who is skilled at something
lasting--Continuing or remaining for a long time; enduring
value--1. An amount, as of goods, services, or money, considered to be a fair and suitable equivalent for something else; a fair price or return.
2. Monetary or material worth: the fluctuating value of gold and silver.
3. Worth in usefulness or importance to the possessor; utility or merit: the value of an education.

2.What are the various features of lasting value?
艺术品的价值是由人决定的，对人来说，具有持久价值的艺术品通常是具有能让人们在在价值认同、身份确认、兴趣满足和情感共鸣等诸多情感利益上获得满足的信息。人是理性的，也是感性的。艺术品的情感信息的内容可以广泛而动人，拥有不受限制的创意空间，能够轻而易举地拨动心灵，引起情感共鸣和享受，这些情感利益因直奔心灵而留下良好印象，因一定数量人们的良好印象而建立稳固而持久认同关系，从而使得艺术品具有持久价值。

3.What are the component parts of lasting value?
同上 在价值认同、身份确认、兴趣满足和情感共鸣等

4.How is lasting value made or done?
Lasting value靠时间来检验

5. How should lasting value be made or done by artist/critic?
The artist created a diverse and colorful world with their creative art works, the critic sometimes creates a path for us to it.

6.What is the essential function of artist/critic?
同上

7.What are the causes of the debate of the lasting value?
引用一段文章回答“常常能听到艺术家抱怨：“批评家对我的作品完全不理解，我根本就不是那么想的。”对这种抱怨可以从两方面理解。一方面，确实有一些批评家信口开河。艺术家抱怨的另一方面却是目前普遍存在的对批评家的误解。如果批评家仅仅是艺术家的喉舌，不过在重复或者帮忙说出艺术家想说的话，他就成了十足的寄生虫，其批评也很难具有客观性和洞见。”这样的争议性和不确定性就是争辩的主要原因了。

8.What are the consequences of debate of the lasting value?
That's what we are discussing.

9.What are the types of lasting value?
我觉得这里可以从：文学，电影，绘画，的分来角度考虑。

10.How is lasting value like or unlike Y？
这个类比我不知道可以怎么做。

11.What is the present status of lasting value in the art realm?
参见艺术类资料。

12.What is the significance of act to critic the artist?
和第8问同时考虑

13.What are the facts about artist/critic? (Reportage)
例子大家收集。

14.How did lasting value made happen?
同第7问。

15.What kind of person is artist/critic? (Characterization/Profile)
同第1问。

16.What is my personal response to lasting value?
17.What is my memory of lasting value?
这基本上是个人对于Lasting value的一些看法，源于自己平时的艺术素材积累。我第一次写144的时候用的是Wuthering Heights和Pollock的例子。

18.What is the value of artist/critic?
这是本题讨论的重点。

19.What are the essential major points or features of artist/critic?
引用：如果说批评家靠的是良知，那么艺术家靠的是胸怀。失去良知的批评是无力的和偏颇的，而缺乏胸怀的艺术则是短命的和虚伪的。

20.What case can be made for or against prevention?
例子大家收集。

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感觉这20问真的还是挺难的。
例子我回去找点资料再整理下。
144必须再写咯，找机会补上。

leopard2009UID: 2596872

两个都写了全文，请各位使劲拍砖。20问后面补上哈

143
https://bbs.gter.net/thread-963936-1-1.html

144
https://bbs.gter.net/thread-962540-1-1.html

qtangtangsUID: 2630008

issue 144:
http://bbs.gter.ce.cn/bbs/thread-965805-1-1.html

issue 144 我是先写的文章 然后列的提纲 在答的20问..  感觉20问非常能让人打开思路 而本身的文章只是抓到了里面几点在写而已..
issue 143 我打算先来20问 再列提纲 看看有什么不同..

对于20问 我有些疑问：(希望好心人路过看到 解答一下...)
1.    一般一篇文章的关键词都不只一个  那么对应到20问里的这个X  我应该在每一问把所有的关键词都来替换X吗？
      那这样比如issue 144情况  的第二问：  What are the various features of artists and critics? (Description)
       这里如果把X替换成lasting value 感觉根本就解释不了..  那这种情况我是随意在关键词里面找一个来替换X还是其他说法？
2.    这20问我回答的要点需要全部都表示在我的作文里面吗？

暂时就这两个问题了..   

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issue 144

提纲：

主题：critics 才是真正把艺术的价值传播开来，让大众知道艺术的真谛的人。

而artist
只是艺术的创造者，其本意，是抒发自己的情感，而不是服务于社会。

一段：提出艺术对社会的重要性。之后点出一个point：如果一件艺术品不能被人挖掘出来并且充分理解，那么他的价值自然就不能体现出来了

二段：先提出一个大观点：从一件单纯的艺术品到一件惊世之作，评论家在里面是扮演一个很重要的角色的。
而后提出舒伯特的例子来证明
如果说一件艺术作品并没有被人赏识，那么其价值就很难充分体现。

三段：
进一步论证，这个“伯乐”是不是什么人都行的，必须是专业人士，也就是评论家们。
他们让人们了解艺术，并且激发起人们对艺术的兴趣。而只有让人们了解到了艺术的重要性及其价值，才能使艺术的价值进一步升奉献给社会。而起到这个推动作用的，正是critics。

四段：再从artist的方面进一步论证。虽然艺术家是创作者，但是其本意是从个人情感出发，肯定不是有意的要为社会做出什么。再次强调，真正把艺术推向社会的，将其价值奉献给社会的，是critics。


20问：

关键词: lasting value   critic  artist


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What does lasting value, artist, critic mean? (Definition)
Lasting value: 个人理解为艺术品的艺术价值对社会的一个贡献
Artist: a person skilled in one of the fine arts
Critic: one who engages often professionally in the analysis, evaluation, or appreciation of works of art or artistic performances
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What are the various features of artists and critics? (Description)
Artists: creator, give the artwork the soul
Critics: evaluates the work of art, the media between art and common people
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What are the component parts of lasting value? (Simple Analysis)
The value of the artwork themselves and, more important, the value should be realized and acknowledged by the public
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How is lasting value made or done? (Process Analysis)1
First, artist should create the artwork
And critics find the real valuable ones and spread them out, let public appreciate them
5. How should lasting value be made or done? (Directional Analysis)
同4
6. What is the essential function of lasting value? (Functional Analysis)
Contributes to the society
7. What are the causes of lasting value? (Causal Analysis) BE EACW
Critics’ propagandistic effects
8. What are the consequences of lasting value? (Causal Analysis)
positive
9. What are the types of lasting value? (Classification)
permanent rather than contemporary
10. How is artist like or unlike critic? (Comparison)
此题重点

Artists: from personal perspective, creator create artwork to express themselves
Critics: for public perspective, let more common people know about art, the ultimate contributor
11. What is the present status of critics? (Comparison)
Publish their comments to enhance public comprehension to art
12. What is the significance of critics? (Interpretation)
Enhance public comprehension to art and contribution to develop artistic value to social lasting value
13. What are the facts about lasting value? (Reportage)
Realized, understood, and appreciated by the most majority of people
14. How did lasting value happen? (Narration)
Exists in the arts that never ever stepped off the stage of history
15. What kind of person is artist or critics? (Characterization/Profile)
Artists: loyal to his thoughts
Critics: responsible for the society, the public
16. What is my personal response to artists or critics? (Reflection)
Artists: kind of selfish
Critics: pick up the responsibility to inspire people, though sometimes suffer criticism
17. What is my memory of critics? (Reminiscence)

always express their attitudes through media
18. What is the value of critics? (Evaluation)
Inspire and enhance the public comprehension to the artistic value
19. What are the essential major points or features of critics becoming the more
important role in devoting to the social lasting value? (Summary)
Fantastic artwork must be realized, understood and appreciated by professional critics
20. What case can be made for or against artists? (Persuasion)
Schubert became famous after his death because during his life, he was not appreciated

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143"Artists should pay little attention to their critics.* Criticism tends to undermine and constrain the artist's creativity."

*those who evaluate works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.


20问：

关键词：should criticism undermine constrain creativity

1.
What does criticism undermine constrain creativity mean? (Definition)
Criticism: the act of criticizing usually unfavorably
Undermine: to weaken or ruin by degrees
Constrain: to force by imposed stricture, restriction, or limitation
Creativity: the ability to create
2.
What are the various features of criticism creativity? (Description)
Criticism: criticize either to promote a better development or to frustrate to someone
Creativity: a vital quality of someone to invent or create something original
3. What are the component parts of criticism creativity? (Simple Analysis)
Criticism: some opinions against the author’s ideas from professional, at least specialized persons
Creativity: author’s(artist) individual ability, which can not be influenced by any other external factors
4.
How is criticism
creativity made or done? (Process Analysis)1
Criticism: After critics read or listen or see the work, they express their thoughts and publish through media, which can usually arouse people’s attention. Mostly criticism is referred to the opinions that criticize the original work of artists.
Creativity: a talent
5.
How should criticism
creativity be made or done? (Directional Analysis)
Criticism:
must be published by some professional authorities
Creativity: still a talent
can not earn with any method
6.
What is the essential function of criticism
creativity? (Functional Analysis)
Criticism: two functions—either become the acceleration or become the devil which depresses the author a lot. But all these depends on the author(artist) himself, rather than criticism. In other words, its functions are limited
Creativity: to give the artist inspiration to create fantastic works
7.
What are the causes of undermine and constrain
? (Causal Analysis) BE EACW
Some people believe that after hearing what critics have said, artist’s creativity and inspiration could be restricted by their negative statements, which is too subjective
8.
What are the consequences of undermine and constrain? (Causal Analysis)
May bring a passive consequence that artist would no longer dare to create adventurous works, but change into a conservative and less controversial style. But also lead to a consequence that when the artist gets through the rough time(being criticized and doubted by the public), his potential talent could be burst out because of the difficult situation
9.
What are the types of X? (Classification)
略。
感觉没有一个关键词能替换这个X…
10. How is X like or unlike Y? (Comparison)
略。
题目中不涉及比较
11. What is the present status of criticism? (Comparison)
fair, express personal opinion, but sometimes whether it is truly the inner reflections or the critic is doubtful due to a series of scandals that artist wants to gain more reputation thus bribes some critics to appreciate his work

12. What is the significance of criticism creativity? (Interpretation)
Criticism: helpful for our common people to have a better understanding to the artistic world
Creativity: important to either the artist himself or the society
13. What are the facts about criticism? (Reportage)
同11
14. How did X happen? (Narration)
略。
还是不认为任何一个关键能替换X…
15. What kind of person is critic? (Characterization/Profile)
Must professional in the field he tend to criticize than must have the character of justice and honesty
16. What is my personal response to criticism? (Reflection)
Is a necessary and essential part between the artistic world and the real

society.
17. What is my memory of X? (Reminiscence)
略。不来以情动人..
18. What is the value of criticism? (Evaluation)
Is a necessary and essential part between the artistic world and the real

society. two functions—either become the acceleration or become the devil which depresses the author a lot. But all these depends on the author(artist) himself, rather than criticism. In other words, its functions are limited
19. What are the essential major points or features of criticism? (Summary)
同18
20. What case can be made for or against undermine and constrain? (Persuasion)
    Schubert 和文艺复兴



提纲：

观点：第一句话太主观。 Criticism对artist自身的作用是取决于artist本身的

论证段一：creativity 是一种talent 是与生俱来的。任何外部的因素都不能影响这种天赋。就像舒伯特 就算不被人认同 没有被人发掘 生活贫穷 的他依旧创作出了6000多个作品 这是一个相当大的数字.不仅是数量多，每首曲子的质量也是相当的好。例如著名的摇篮曲 鳟鱼 及那首未完的交响曲。 都是世界名曲。他的天赋并没有被窘迫的生活境况所影响，反而发展的愈加成熟。而当时的critic对他的不痛不痒的评论也没有使他失去信心

论证段二：criticism对artist的作用是取决于artist本身的。
Criticism就是当评论家们在分析了作品之后发表的对作品的一个个人的意见。而对artist的影响是负面的还是正面的关键就在于artist怎么对待这些criticism。 如果artist吸收了critic的意见，并且吸收这些意见并与其原有的作品进行碰撞融合，再在此基础上用自己的creativity创造出完美的作品 那么这种情况 criticism反而不是undermine and constrain 了artist的creativity，反而是从某种程度上激发了艺术家们的创造力
但让，artist本身的personality也有可能使艺术家们在面对批评的时候泄气和有挫败感
从而使其不敢在大胆的发挥其创造力

论证段三：criticism是艺术家与大众进行沟通的一个重要的桥梁。艺术家的价值必须以其作品被大众所欣赏为表现。 而大众又是靠criticism来对艺术世界有个初步的了解和一个指导的作用。 尽管现在的criticism存在被某些艺术家因为要出名而收买的不真实性，但是这种现象是很少的。 Criticism是艺术世界和现实社会之间不可缺少的联系与桥梁。所以artist对criticism不引起足够的重视的话 反而有可能让他们的艺术生涯不顺利，也有可能真是因为如此，是他们丧失了对自己创造能力开发的激情。那这又怎么能算是criticism的错呢？

在以前文艺复兴的时代，大量杰出的艺术作品涌现出来，正是因为当时是个社会及其舆论都是动荡的并且有碰撞的，使得许多艺术家们从中得到了灵感与启发。这正说明了 criticism的一个积极大于消极的作用，而真正那些pay little attention to the critic 的艺术家们，真正被criticism undermine and constrain的艺术家们，与其埋怨criticism,倒不如检讨一下自己。在困难面前站起来并且勇往直前，才能取得最终的胜利。

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144: https://bbs.gter.net/thread-966152-1-1.html

143: 1. critics is def necessary
         2. critics are not "right" all the time
         3. artists have to deal with criticism correctly

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I144 https://bbs.gter.net/thread-966851-1-1.html

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谢谢草木！！！很受用！ 我很尽快写出一篇来的~！